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[40Hands]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: yllus
As of late, the smarmy pseudo-intellectualism of so-called liberals has become even more annoying than the holier-than-thou act of the conservatives. Can all of you STFU and just let us people live the way we want to?

That's just the problem. People want to live the way they want to live. "conservatives" want to impose their version of morality on others. No thanks. I don't impose my beliefs on others.

Oh really?

Let's talk about socialism.

Let's talk about nanny-state laws.

Let's talk about smoking bans.

Liberals don't impose their morality on others? That's a laugh.

Given that the religious right has largely failed to impose their morality while the socialism left has succeeded time and time again, I'd say the danger comes from them.

Did I say I agree with all those? No. But at least they have something to do with helping others instead of the waste of resources that are the conseritive agendas.

After solving all the other problems in the Country they choose to:

Stop Gay Marriage (OH nooesss the men want to get married and have the benifits of us real people!)

Stop Abortion (oh more noooes! The women want to do what they want with their bodies!)

War on Drugs (this one is working, I swear! (I know it wasn't enacted by them but it needs reform))

Ban the Bobbies (will cause end of world as we know it. someone. think. children.)

Assualt on Public Education (Who needs it when we have enough money to afford private school?)

War on Terrorism (also going great!)

Looks like the're doing well...

 

[40Hands]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: yllus
As of late, the smarmy pseudo-intellectualism of so-called liberals has become even more annoying than the holier-than-thou act of the conservatives. Can all of you STFU and just let us people live the way we want to?

That's just the problem. People want to live the way they want to live. "conservatives" want to impose their version of morality on others. No thanks. I don't impose my beliefs on others.

I don't even know what to say to this...

Well you said a whole lot of nothing right there. Glad you could contribute.

Given the fact that you ENTIRELY missed sully's point, and on top of that you're statement could not be more hypocritical (see Amused's post), I was at a loss for words with how astounding your stupidity was.

I understood completely but chose to ignore the first part of his statement, hence the BOLD text was what I was responding to. I see you still come in offering more of your own insight. Thanks!

 

[Strk]

Bias!

Ok, not bias, but funny as hell

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: astrosfan90
CNN=not news

Hah, they did a terrible job of syncing the sound effects at the end of that clip.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ElFenix

so that NEVER EVER happens with the segment of the population doing the accusing? they all independently come to the same conclusion as the news story? they're not victims of social indoctrination the way the other segment of the population is?

Bullshit.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to prove here... my original point was that it is unfortunate that people don't think for themselves but instead just listen to whatever the news media tells them. You seem to agree with that. Thanks.

Everyone has a bias. Some people get all of their news from sources that have the same bias and don't question it. That is bad. Some people get their news from sources with different biases, but blindly reject anything the other side says. That is bad. Some people get their news from a variety of sources, filter out the editorializing as well as they can, and try to come to an independent conclusion. That is good. It is not always easy to ignore your own bias, nobody is perfect.

And when I say bias, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If your "bias" is based on principles and you apply those principles to come to a conclusion, that is good. If your bias is based on blind allegiance to a political party, that's bad. Even Michael Savage is not so blindly loyal to the republican party that he will not criticize them.

my point is that one segment of the population constantly accuses another segment of the population as being unthinking sheep (regardless of the fact that people may have independently reached that conclusion), and characterizing themselves as thoughtful by comparison, when in reality they're shoveling as much unthinking party-line BS as any others.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Amused
You cannot be trusted to think for yourself.

ain't that the truth.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
my point is that one segment of the population constantly accuses another segment of the population as being unthinking sheep (regardless of the fact that people may have independently reached that conclusion), and characterizing themselves as thoughtful by comparison, when in reality they're shoveling as much unthinking party-line BS as any others.

To clarify, I'm not accusing members of a particular party of doing this, and I have no party affiliation myself.

Edit: And as I said before, I've seen this happen several times before - people will react the way the news story wants them to react, but suddenly "see the light" when someone posts an opposing viewpoint. Those people are not thinking for themselves.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Amused
You cannot be trusted to think for yourself.

ain't that the truth.

I'm not saying peole can't be trusted to think for themselves, I'm saying people choose not to! And the best you can do is accuse me of doing the same, so apparantly you agree.

 

[Scarpozzi]

I wish someone would sue Fox News in a class action lawsuit. I'd really like to see them go under as an organization that claims to be a news channel.

Edit: Just thought I'd add that that guy was stupid for repeating what Colbert wanted him to say. It might have been funny for TV, but was not appropriate and he'll never be looked at a serious politician ever again. He just damaged his career.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ElFenix
my point is that one segment of the population constantly accuses another segment of the population as being unthinking sheep (regardless of the fact that people may have independently reached that conclusion), and characterizing themselves as thoughtful by comparison, when in reality they're shoveling as much unthinking party-line BS as any others.

To clarify, I'm not accusing members of a particular party of doing this, and I have no party affiliation myself.

Edit: And as I said before, I've seen this happen several times before - people will react the way the news story wants them to react, but suddenly "see the light" when someone posts an opposing viewpoint. Those people are not thinking for themselves.

in my experience, it is almost always the same segment of the population calling the others sheep. so, i'm wondering why they do that, without seeing that a) the people on the other side could have arrived at an independent decision, b) why they assume that they're not just full of indoctrination themselves. i mean, if they're the 'thinking' segment, how did they arrive at the conclusion that all 'thinkers' agree with them?

Originally posted by: mugs
I'm not saying peole can't be trusted to think for themselves, I'm saying people choose not to! And the best you can do is accuse me of doing the same, so apparantly you agree.

when am i accusing you in particular of doing anything?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BroeBo

Originally posted by: yllus
As of late, the smarmy pseudo-intellectualism of so-called liberals has become even more annoying than the holier-than-thou act of the conservatives. Can all of you STFU and just let us people live the way we want to?

That's just the problem. People want to live the way they want to live. "conservatives" want to impose their version of morality on others. No thanks. I don't impose my beliefs on others so leave me the fvck alone.

I take it that you see the problem on both sides but in this particular incidence you're citing the problem with so-called conservatives?

Today, I consider the Western world much more at risk of corruption by so-called liberal ideals than so-called conservative ones. To me we seem far more likely to drift down the path of France and Germany and start placing ridiculous limits on business and free speech in order to make things nicer, safer, kinder, gentler... and duller.

Higher minimum wages! Ban smoking everywhere! Force churches to hold gay marriages! Get rid of civilian gun ownership! Wear your bike helmet! Save social security! Keep affirmative action alive! Every one of these so-called liberal ideals makes me want to puke in the way it assumes that I'm too stupid and helpless to make decisions for myself. The left is easily as bad as the right, and in my opinion, currently worse.

Edit: Obviously not all of the so-called left holds these views, just like not all of the so-called right holds opposing ones.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
in my experience, it is almost always the same segment of the population calling the others sheep. so, i'm wondering why they do that, without seeing that a) the people on the other side could have arrived at an independent decision, b) why they assume that they're not just full of indoctrination themselves. i mean, if they're the 'thinking' segment, how did they arrive at the conclusion that all 'thinkers' agree with them?

I guess you're saying liberals accuse conservatives of it more often than vice versa, which may be true. I won't say that it is because conservatives are less intelligent or less educated, because I don't think that's true at all. I think it may be because the conservatives who ARE less intelligent and less educated are more vocal than their uneducated, unintelligent liberal counterparts. I credit that to talk radio.

I don't think I accuse conservatives of it more than liberals though, I think dmccowen is the worst offender of them all.

when am i accusing you in particular of doing anything?

Not me in particular, but me as part of a larger group.