Fox News and radical right wingers attack 16 year old Greta Thunberg calling her "mentally ill

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fskimospy

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Trump is in on it now:


Took him at least several hours before repeating what he heard on Fox News. He's slipping.

Imagine being her parents and trying to explain why if the principal at her school insulted a child in that way he or she would be disciplined or fired but the president doing it is not only not punished, but celebrated by people who think of themselves as mature adults.
 

HomerJS

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You exist in a bubble of lies you have created for yourself to believe.
In other words you can't. Like Trump just pull a lie out of you ass and hope it sticks.

What little of your self respect is left acting like Trump is almost at zero.
 

Caesar

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Imagine being her parents and trying to explain why if the principal at her school insulted a child in that way he or she would be disciplined or fired but the president doing it is not only not punished, but celebrated by people who think of themselves as mature adults.

Reminds me of a joke by Jim Jefferies where is says something like "can you believe that Kevin Spacey lost his fake Presidency (House of Cards) based on allegations of sexual misconduct, but the real president gets to keep his job after all these women accuse him of similar things".
 
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snoopy7548

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Imagine being her parents and trying to explain why if the principal at her school insulted a child in that way he or she would be disciplined or fired but the president doing it is not only not punished, but celebrated by people who think of themselves as mature adults.

To be fair, it's about what you'd expect from Trump, and most adults. They don't care; they got theirs and they'll be gone before anything changes, so why put in any effort to make things better for the future generations?
 

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Good on Fox for apologizing. The apology itself was well-worded and not backhanded in any way. That makes me feel better about its sincerity. I will note that Ingram's subsequent language was in poor taste and indicates that she herself was deficit in incorporating the message Fox communicated.

I agree that one guest's comments don't reflect the whole of Fox, and I also believe Fox bears some responsibility here. They may not know what their guests will say, but they know something about what they've said in the past. In this case, I don't know enough about the commenter to have much opinion on how much responsibility rests with the network. The minimum amount would be the case of providing a platform with no reasonable expectation of such an attack and apologizing for the content afterward.

Respect is earned, not given as a right. The past three or four generations have NOT earned respect, because we've all decided to forgo our planet for profits.

I fundamentally disagree with this statement. I believe a certain amount of respect for a person's humanity is critical to be recognized in all persons. In that absence, we leave ourselves vulnerable to dehumanization such as what's going on at the border and in Nazi Germany and, perhaps the most profound example of this vulnerability taking brisk dangerous hold, Rwandan genocide.

I think it is also fundamentally demonstrable using basic logic.
1. Humans are prone to, at least sometimes, make errors in judgment or misinterpretations of things
2. If respect is earned, then who gets respected depends upon someone's potentially very flawed assessment
3. If there is no respect for whoever has been inappropriately denied, then a person is not open to conflicting information from that disrespected source
4. If a person is not open to conflicting information, they never become aware of their error in judgment

If we add to this the observation that sometimes people's mistaken beliefs are due to a motivation to hold such a belief and our social tendency to organize into groups and adopt the beliefs of other group members without any information from our own observations, this vulnerability becomes all the more powerful.

Also, this thread has a lot of those problems on display. Hopefully someone here will be willing to try a different perspective.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I fundamentally disagree with this statement. I believe a certain amount of respect for a person's humanity is critical to be recognized in all persons. In that absence, we leave ourselves vulnerable to dehumanization such as what's going on at the border and in Nazi Germany and, perhaps the most profound example of this vulnerability taking brisk dangerous hold, Rwandan genocide.

I think it is also fundamentally demonstrable using basic logic.
1. Humans are prone to, at least sometimes, make errors in judgment or misinterpretations of things
2. If respect is earned, then who gets respected depends upon someone's potentially very flawed assessment
3. If there is no respect for whoever has been inappropriately denied, then a person is not open to conflicting information from that disrespected source
4. If a person is not open to conflicting information, they never become aware of their error in judgment

If we add to this the observation that sometimes people's mistaken beliefs are due to a motivation to hold such a belief and our social tendency to organize into groups and adopt the beliefs of other group members without any information from our own observations, this vulnerability becomes all the more powerful.

Also, this thread has a lot of those problems on display. Hopefully someone here will be willing to try a different perspective.
This may end up as an agree-to-disagree scenario, but let me clarify my stance on this at least.

I have a fundamental respect for all life; animal, plant, human, and other. I think life should be fostered and encouraged, within the balance of what our ecosystem can handle. I do not have an inherent respect for individuals with regards to their position of power, knowledge, influence, or authority. My experiences have shown to me that the vast majority of people that are in a position relevant to the above that would ordinarily demand respect, are too incompetent to deserve it. Those that are competent quickly prove it, and thus earn respect (my bar has been lowered quite a bit).

Another clarification, I don't have an inherent disrespect for anyone either, even for things I feel I should (politicians, lawyers, etc). Everyone starts at a base level, and the quickest way for me to disrespect you is for you to demand respect from me with zero examples of competency.

That was what my original statement was regarding, that a child should respect an adult that she has zero experiences with, and by all accounts should probably *not* respect, given what she's learned about how the last X generations have sat on-ass while the world burned around them.
 

glenn1

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Let's say Greta got her way and imagine what life would be like.

1. The U.S. would immediately lose about 85% of its current energy generation. Widespread brownouts and blackouts would be constant since fossil fuel power is no longer reliably supporting the baseline power needs of the electrical grid. Businesses routinely run diesel power backups to avoid service outages and customer disruptions with fuel obtained on black market.
2. The lack of consistent power completely derails the fledgling and halting efforts to create infrastructure. Stuff like "smart power grids" will be a no-go since the big utilities will no longer be willing to make the needed capital investments. Why spend millions fixing bridges when cars will be limited to the rich who can afford electric models?
3. Many companies including most mid-tier utilities go bankrupt and require federal bailouts. The costs to decommission fossil-fueled plants and infrastructure to keep operations afloat proves impossible for most companies below $100MM in annual revenue and probably much higher than that.
4. Rare earth mineral prices go parabolic. Increased demand for photovoltaic merely to meet core energy use needs like running hospitals completely constrains the availability for consumer goods, with products such as cell phones becoming unavailable for the middle class and poor.
5. Decrease in living standards for the middle class and poor. Curtailing (if not outlawing) fossil fuel for consumer uses makes private automobiles using affordable ICE technology basically impossible. Overloaded public transportation services strain the resources of urban areas.
6. The global supply chain gets broken. Cargo ships aren't running on solar energy anytime soon, so say goodbye to all but the most critical goods being sourced from overseas.
7. Climate change puritans bankrupt entire industries. Just like Greta shamed her own mom into abandoning her career (professional opera singer) because of her concerns about using airplane travel, so will countless others be similarly browbeaten into not travelling unless completely necessary.

I could probably think of dozens more but it gets the basic point across.
 

zinfamous

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Well damn, for being uneducated I guess I just got lucky being amongst the most prestigious employers that top university kids beg for and having a fat paycheck ;)

Makes me feel better I guess since apparently I didn't have to work hard for it.

yep, still haven't learned dick.

you're confusing education with a paycheck, but keep making that mistake over and over and over again.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Well damn, for being uneducated I guess I just got lucky being amongst the most prestigious employers that top university kids beg for and having a fat paycheck ;)

Makes me feel better I guess since apparently I didn't have to work hard for it.
Yeah I can vouch that you can work for one of those top universities through luck, zero reason why you aren't a victim of happy circumstance as well. Quit assuming that you're special.
 
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Wait, are you kidding me? You're getting uppity about a sailboat?
That's a super expensive one, owned by the racing team that uses it. They gave her a ride across the Atlantic because they supported her, it's not her fucking personal boat.

If you want a sailboat, there's some very pretty used ones you can get on the internet for under $5k, but you weren't really asking, were you.

It’s not about the sailboat ....well it sort of is because it’s a wealthy snotty way of traveling, it’s also about her fierce hatred of air travel.
So if I want to go to Europe in her opinion I should
A) have enough time off to take a boat to Europe
B) have connections to a solar powered yacht company to take me here.

These are not things a typical person can do or afford. That’s the point.
 

HomerJS

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Let's say Greta got her way and imagine what life would be like.

1. The U.S. would immediately lose about 85% of its current energy generation. Widespread brownouts and blackouts would be constant since fossil fuel power is no longer reliably supporting the baseline power needs of the electrical grid. Businesses routinely run diesel power backups to avoid service outages and customer disruptions with fuel obtained on black market.
2. The lack of consistent power completely derails the fledgling and halting efforts to create infrastructure. Stuff like "smart power grids" will be a no-go since the big utilities will no longer be willing to make the needed capital investments. Why spend millions fixing bridges when cars will be limited to the rich who can afford electric models?
3. Many companies including most mid-tier utilities go bankrupt and require federal bailouts. The costs to decommission fossil-fueled plants and infrastructure to keep operations afloat proves impossible for most companies below $100MM in annual revenue and probably much higher than that.
4. Rare earth mineral prices go parabolic. Increased demand for photovoltaic merely to meet core energy use needs like running hospitals completely constrains the availability for consumer goods, with products such as cell phones becoming unavailable for the middle class and poor.
5. Decrease in living standards for the middle class and poor. Curtailing (if not outlawing) fossil fuel for consumer uses makes private automobiles using affordable ICE technology basically impossible. Overloaded public transportation services strain the resources of urban areas.
6. The global supply chain gets broken. Cargo ships aren't running on solar energy anytime soon, so say goodbye to all but the most critical goods being sourced from overseas.
7. Climate change puritans bankrupt entire industries. Just like Greta shamed her own mom into abandoning her career (professional opera singer) because of her concerns about using airplane travel, so will countless others be similarly browbeaten into not travelling unless completely necessary.

I could probably think of dozens more but it gets the basic point across.
Instead of taking action let's just continue things like, lowering CAFE standards, lower clean water and air standards and let's see where that gets us.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It’s not about the sailboat ....well it sort of is because it’s a wealthy snotty way of traveling, it’s also about her fierce hatred of air travel.
So if I want to go to Europe in her opinion I should
A) have enough time off to take a boat to Europe
B) have connections to a solar powered yacht company to take me here.

These are not things a typical person can do or afford. That’s the point.
Sorry, sailboats are a wealthy snotty way of traveling? Aside from them being comparable in cost to a cheapy car? It sounds like you've just got severe hangups with people that do things differently than you.

Air travel is very high on the pollution-o-meter, and if you're gonna show up to a climate conference to yell at old people for fucking up the environment, I'd rather her do it via a sailboat than an airplane. Haven't conservatives on this very forum blown their top about people like Al Gore traveling by air? Or people showing up to climate conferences by personal jet? You can't have this shit both ways.

Also, you think that you're being 'inconvenienced' by taking extra time to boat to Europe rather than fly? Just wait till SHTF with climate change. You'll wish boating across the Atlantic was the worst of your concerns.

Finally, it's a little disingenuous for you to be repeating 'solar powered yacht'. It's a sailboat, probably has some solar panels on it to avoid the weight of engine to generate electricity. It conjures images of this:
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Rather than this:
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