Fox Guest: 'Fracking is incredibly good for the environment'

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http://thecontributor.com/media-mat...king-actually-incredibly-good-our-environment


I almost shit my pants laughing when this guy said "Nature doesn't give us a clean environment."

I don't even know how to respond to that level of stupidity.

That's how I feel about your posts. Fracking doesn't damage the environment as some people like to claim and if fracking was allowed more jobs would be created.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/17/fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water-stud
 

sandorski

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It's like burping a baby. Someone has to do it, Oil/Gas corps are merely wanting to take the babysitting job off our hands. They are Saints, undoubtedly.
 

Pens1566

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Should have asked him to wash his hands in the proprietary fracking fluid then.
 

BlueWolf47

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After a comment like that, the only thing he should be advocating is expanded access to mental health services.
 

feralkid

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The best thing about the Earth is if you poke holes in it oil and gas come out.
 

shira

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That's how I feel about your posts. Fracking doesn't damage the environment as some people like to claim and if fracking was allowed more jobs would be created.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/02/17/fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water-stud

Riiiggghhhht. No damage:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/12/the-oklahoman-disregards-mounting-evidence-link/191801

The Oklahoman relied on the "absence of compelling evidence" and the comments of a single geologist to conclude that the largest recorded earthquake in Oklahoma's history was not tied to fracking, despite mounting evidence that indicates otherwise. In doing so, the paper dismissed mounting evidence linking underground injection of wastewater to earthquakes at large, continuing its attempt to cast doubt on science and shut down policy debates that could affect the paper's owner, billionaire oil and gas tycoon Philip Anschutz.

In a December 11 editorial, The Oklahoman dismissed the links between oil and gas exploration and earthquakes by saying "unless proven otherwise," any assumption of what caused the earthquake "should go to nature" instead of being attributed to mankind. From The Oklahoman editorial (emphasis added):

Ties go to the runner in baseball. Assumptions about nature, when apparently tied, should go to nature. Unless proven otherwise.

This is the heart of the discussion on whether the largest recorded earthquake in Oklahoma history was manmade rather than an act of nature. Some believe that oil and gas exploration activity in the area of the epicenter caused the quake. That's an assumption, as is the belief that earthquakes are natural phenomena always caused by nature and never by mankind.

We subscribe to the view that in the absence of compelling evidence that a natural phenomenon was caused by human activity, we should assume it was caused by nature. But we live in a time when science-based policymaking is highly politicized and a portion of mankind dislikes humanity to the point of suspecting that many "natural" events (such as hurricanes) are the unnatural result of people.

The editorial points to one seismologist, Oklahoma Geological Survey's Austin Holland, who said, "until you can prove that it's not a natural earthquake, you should assume it's a natural earthquake." However, experts believe that the November 2011 earthquake and other events in Oklahoma -- such as the drastic increase from six earthquakes between 2000 and 2008 to 850 earthquakes between January 2010 and March 2011 in Oklahoma County -- point to a link between fracking-related activites, specifically wastewater injection, and seismic activity. Similar links have also been made in Dallas, Texas , Ohio, and Arkansas. Scientists from the United States Geological Survey also presented a report in April that found that "seismicity rate changes" in Arkansas and Oklahoma "are almost certainly manmade,"

What, a newspaper owned by an oil billionaire says fracking is safe and ignores strong scientific evidence that it's not safe? Unbelievable!

Earthquakes are just natures way of saying "I love fracking."
 
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cubby1223

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Incorruptible said:
That's how I feel about your posts. Fracking doesn't damage the environment as some people like to claim and if fracking was allowed more jobs would be created.
Riiiggghhhht. No damage:

I read that sentence as: "Fracking doesn't damage the environment (as much) as some people like to claim"


Whatever. My stance on the whole issue is simple: we all want better, safer, cleaner, longer lasting energy sources. But until the magical unicorn fairy arrives, we have to make use of what is available to keep everyone's iphones powered.
 

feralkid

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I read that sentence as: "Fracking doesn't damage the environment (as much) as some people like to claim"


Whatever. My stance on the whole issue is simple: we all want better, safer, cleaner, longer lasting energy sources. But until the magical unicorn fairy arrives, we have to make use of what is available to keep everyone's iphones powered.


You can keep your unicorns and fairy theories. What we need is smarter policy, less short term greed, and the will to make it happen; neither screwing it up worse, nor standing around waiting for magic.
 
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SlickSnake

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That's how I feel about your posts. Fracking doesn't damage the environment as some people like to claim and if fracking was allowed more jobs would be created.

Not sure if sarcastic... 404: Sarcasm Meter Not Found

Thank you Fox for your continued proof that you have no journalistic integrity.

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Fracking wastewater injection wells have contaminated water wells and aquifers and even killed livestock that accidentally drank from open wastewater pits across the country. Not to mention some small aquifers have been pumped dry to get the millions of gallons of water needed to frack just one gas well, leaving rural ranchers and farmers shit out of luck when their water wells run dry.
 
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cubby1223

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You can keep your unicorns and fairy theories. What we need is smarter policy, less short term greed, and the will to make it happen; neither screwing it up worse, nor standing around waiting for magic.

Ah, thank you for the clarification. All we need to do as a society is want hard enough and better energy sources will rain down upon us. I'm glad you replied, I learned a lot.
 

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Ah, thank you for the clarification. All we need to do as a society is want hard enough and better energy sources will rain down upon us. I'm glad you replied, I learned a lot.

Some states like Texas have such lax oversight of mineral rights and drilling that greedy companies are literally destroying the environment and water resources and nobody is doing a damn thing about it. Farmers, ranchers and just plain citizens have literally been driven out of their homes when their water has been contaminated or dried up from drilling abuses and they have no legal recourse to stop it or be compensated for their loses. And most of the time, they didn't even own the mineral rights that were being exploited that drove them from their homes, too.
 

shira

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mediamatters? Are you serious?? That isn't a reliable site considering what george soros has done.

Well, how about a nice, Conservative website's article on this subject:

Government geologists admit fracking causes earthquakes in New Madrid Seismic Zone

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2012/04/19/government-geologists-admit-fracking-causes-earthquakes-in-new-madrid-seismic-zone/

But it's useless to present actual scientific research to you. You believe baseless claims funded by the oils and gas industry, and you discard scientific studies that provide hard evidence that differs from your opinions. It couldn't possibly be that your bias blinds you to reality, could it?
 

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In Texas, aquifers are beginning to dry up from the severe drought and fracking is exacerbating the problem. Farmers have to sell off their herds while oil drillers are allowed to keep draining water supplies.

Texas shale producers used about 25 billion gallons of water last year, and with more and more drilling in the Eagle Ford Formation, that figure will continue to grow. In some West Texas and South Texas counties - almost invariably drought-stricken counties - fracking accounts for 10 to 25 percent of water use and is projected to pass 50 percent in the future. Every month, oil and gas companies dispose of 290 million barrels of wastewater from fracking. That's the equivalent of 18,500 Olympic-sized swimming pools, Luke Metzger of Environment Texas points out. That's water that can never be used again - in a drought-debilitated state, no less.
http://www.chron.com/opinion/editorials/article/Texas-water-crisis-4739205.php

Around 30 counties are at risk of going completely dry by the end of the year.
 

shira

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In Texas, aquifers are beginning to dry up from the severe drought and fracking is exacerbating the problem. Farmers have to sell off their herds while oil drillers are allowed to keep draining water supplies.



Around 30 counties are at risk of going completely dry by the end of the year.

Look, all we need to do is take fewer showers and use more deodorant.
 

justoh

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fracking is perfectly safe. i believe this because i read it in the bible. the earth was created for humans to exploit. duh
 

OverVolt

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Wow its amazing how the internet should have made sharing CORRECT information faster and easier but it seems like it actually made everyone dumber.

And BTW, I'm not sure if fracking is bad for the environment or not. I'm sort of 'meh' about the whole issue so long as it won't contaminate the drinking water.