Four Decades of College Degrees in One Graph.

[JManInPhoenix]

Do we really need 100,000 new psychologists each year?

"Would you like fries with that?" said the psych grad to the customer :hmm:

 

[Wreckem]

Oh and the real reason for the drop in education degrees, is like the article said. They get degrees in other majors(science, math, english, history, poli sci, sport science, etc) and then get certification. Not to mention over 50% of certified teachers these days go through alternative certification instead of traditional certification.

States have also loosened up the standards for certification of elementary school teachers(some used to require EOC Education degrees)

 

[IronWing]

My brother-in-law is 37 and teaches gym/health at a small school system and is being paid on the order of $65K per year ($3K of that is for coaching). I was shocked when I heard that -- I looked at my old school system and one of the teachers who was a teacher in junior high when I was in junior high (in the mid 80s, so she is probably in her mid 50s now as she was new in 1983 or 1984) now only makes $58K, and she teaches a real subject (math). I don't understand the disparity -- both school systems are in rural Indiana, roughly the same size, and I'd say that both areas are probably around the same level of economic development.

Since women are only supposed to make 70% of what men make, she is being overpaid by 34%. She should feel terrible for abusing the system like that.

 

[rh71]

It depends on where you live. Teachers here in Ontario get paid a lot as well. When I was in high school, starting pay was in the mid $40ks. That was over 10 years ago so it's gotta be pushing the fifties by now. Top tier was about $90k. Plus iron clad benefits and a gold plated pension. My uncle who was a principal makes more retired that I do working. You're also completely insulated from economic storms. Teachers rarely get laid off. The worst they might have to deal with is a year or two's pay freeze.

It's triggered a lot of kids to begin exploring the profession and going to teacher's college. Though even the government is beginning to admit there aren't enough spaces for all of them.

My kids' K teachers make 125k and 124k a year respectively, with about 14 years of experience. Kindergarten. http://seethroughny.net/teacher-salaries/long-island Why should they leave? At least around here, not many people have a chance at getting a job in the area - they're all filled forever. I do acknowledge it's not the same reason for other areas where teachers make below 50k. That in itself would keep me from studying education.

 

[Bateluer]

Do we really need 100,000 new psychologists each year?

Given the number of mentally ill people doing stupid things, maybe we do.

 

[Imp]

Looks like everyone went into business... And to a relative degree (huge growth compared to beginning but not that much in total), computer science. Everything else looks pretty stable.

Education took a huge hit. Werd.

 

[Mai72]

Teachers get tenure pretty easily... and around here they are paid a ridiculous amount thanks to unions (cops too). No reason they would leave except at retirement. Fewer openings, fewer prospects even bother.

They are trying to make this harder for teachers. They are making it easier to fire bad teachers as well. Principal evaluations went up from 2 to 5. This means that teachers are evaluated 5 times now, and they can be fired if they show incompetence in the classroom.

Tenure doesn't mean that a teacher can't be fired.

 

[Mai72]

Nepotism is a big issue here. I've seen it on a few occasions. One example...

We had a special ed opening. The job was already given to a 22 year old kid right out of college. The only reason he got the position was because his mom was on the school board. She left her position the year her son took the job because it wouldn't have looked good. The next year she went right back to her old position. During the interview process they had over 20 applicants with great credentials. They had one candidate who had 15 years of teaching experience, but they decided to give the job to someone with zero experience. This isn't the only time this has happened. It's a very common issue in my hometown.

I laugh when this school says children first. If they truly believed in their little slogan then they would have picked the candidate who was the better teacher.

 

[Chaotic42]

Go math and stats!

 

[norseamd]

does a multidisciplinary degree have any worth