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Wolfsraider

Wolfsraider

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I am building a new rig for me.I need recomendations to achieve the goals outlined

I want all systems in thread to run wow at near the same framerates and all at acceptable levels... i hope this is possible with a 900.00 budget

I will be needing a
cpu (intel i3 or 15)
mobo with usb 3 , sata 3 and ddr3 (overclocking would be nice but not necessary)
psu
case
ram
Rest I have
I will be handing the rig I am running now to wife she will be handing rig she is running now to daughter (daughters comp is too outdated and is a lag fest in gaming)



Is the I3 a decent enough upgrade from a q9450? reason I am asking I play world of warcraft and gaming is acceptable on the 9450 with a ati hd4850 some lag at times.

The thing is i have 3 computers here running wow.

an e6600 that was crippled with an asrock mobo now getting better frame rates on a hd6450 than it did on the hd3850 it was running at 4x on mobo. I upgraded the mobo to msi 16x pcie from agp/pcie and added ddr3 ram and a better power supply and now no lag no slowdowns etc upgraded to 4gb ram from 2gb as well (was ddr2 now ddr3)

also I have a e2200 with ddr2 2gb with an x800 pro the e6600 is the wifes the e2200 is the daughters

I am looking to pass down the 9450 to the wife and she will pass down the e6600 to the daughter ...retiring the e2200.

What I want

wow to play with little lag on all even in 25 man raids on all platforms here I know wow is more cpu intensive (well i have been told this) so here is my main question

will an 13 handle wow with say a ati 6750 - 6850 decently enough to add the same video cards to the other 2 systems (budget for upgrades are limited to 900 or less usd)

I am running 120 gb ssd (sandisk) on the 9450 and e6600 (9450 is in raid 0 2x 120 gb)

I want each system to handle wow with out being a slide show on 25 man raids like the daughters computer is atm

I honestly don't know what is the minimum video / processor that will achieve this and I don't want to spend money that wont help unless it helps all computers achieve a playable status if that makes sense

I was told the hd6450 was trash but it seems to work ALMOST as well as my 4850
one note max gaming on all monitors is 1360 x 768 (even on the 32 inch I run I am near blind)

I am going nuts trying to figure all this out before tuesday as thats the day i pull the trigger and start ordering parts

For those that can give opinions/answers tysvm for taking the time to help all others ty for any insight or otherwise offered

Mike

mfenn
i5 2500K $230
ASRock Z68 Pro3 $100 AR
Crucial DDR3 1333 8GB $35
Sapphire 6870 $145 AR
Corsair 430CX $17 AR
212 cpu cooler as per janas

sold me tyvm
 
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What exactly was wrong with the advice that you got in your other thread? I read through it again and I didn't see anything even remotely resembling a derailment.
 
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mfenn said:
What exactly was wrong with the advice that you got in your other thread? I read through it again and I didn't see anything even remotely resembling a derailment.
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nothing was wrong except i don't think anyone understood the question

I fail at posting my question
 
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wipes egg off face I didn't realize anyone responded after virtual larry its been a long week sorry all
 
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Wolfsraider, you didn't specify your target graphical settings for WOW (fps, resolution, etc).

I'm assuming you want something on the high side since the hardware you already have will run it on medium settings just fine.
 
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janas19 said:
Wolfsraider, you didn't specify your target graphical settings for WOW (fps, resolution, etc).

I'm assuming you want something on the high side since the hardware you already have will run it on medium settings just fine.
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we generally run at 1360x 768 (all wide screen monitors) its more important for smooth frame rates in raids (25 man) than higher resolution. I am just trying to keep the game running smooth. No slideshows lol

fps would like at least 30 in raids but again no clue whats required for that. I know the 6450 handles 5 man dungeons without issue the 4850 is decent even in 25 mans but I want a little bit of future proof at least for gpu.

we have not tried the 6450 in 25 man raids as yet :( wife and daughter have been working overtime and I just joined a new guild so I am at the bottom rung once more
 
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So just for ease of reference, what are the 3 CPUs and GPUs you have currently?
 
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janas19 said:
So just for ease of reference, what are the 3 CPUs and GPUs you have currently?
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first is mine q9450 with ati4850 (will be wifes when I build the 2500k and 6870 next week)
second is the e6600 with the 6450
last is the e2200 with the x800 pro (going to retire this one next week)

so the 3 that will be here will be

i5 2500k 6870 1gb card
q9450 with the hd 4850
e6600 with the hd 6450

Would those all play 1360x 768 at med to high settings even in 25 man raids?
 
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Wolfsraider said:
first is mine q9450 with ati4850 (will be wifes when I build the 2500k and 6870 next week)
second is the e6600 with the 6450
last is the e2200 with the x800 pro (going to retire this one next week)

so the 3 that will be here will be

i5 2500k 6870 1gb card
q9450 with the hd 4850
e6600 with the hd 6450

Would those all play 1360x 768 at med to high settings even in 25 man raids?
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I don't see anything wrong with that setup. If you say passable framerates is your goal, set all graphical settings to medium or low.

It would also help to set up an overclock on that E6600. Shoot for 2.8 or maybe 3.0 gHz. Do you know how to do that?

Tips:

Make sure you have an aftermarket cooler and are monitoring temps.

Turn off any power-saving features (EIST, C states, etc)

Start with the Vcore level at stock.

Up your Bclck multiplier (the x26 thing) step by step. Every time you bump it up one, see if your OS will boot. Once it crashes, that's your limit at that Vcore. Set it back one to get to OS and run a stress-test program like Prime95 for stability.

Check your temps again. Voila you have a faster CPU.

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^C2D's don't have unlocked multipliers. You need to increase the base clock to overclock. Just remember that increasing the base clock will also increase FSB and RAM clocks.

Those C2D were awesome chips to overclock though. I had an E6320 and I took it from 1.86GHz to 2.8GHz without problems, and I don't think I even needed to overvolt. It topped out at just over 3.0GHz, but I'm betting the FSB was holding me back from getting any further. Makes me wish I got the E6420 or E6600 for the higher multiplier.
 
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I haven't overclocked that chip (or any chip in about 5 years), was hoping to run the game at high settings not ultra but at least high. Would overclocking help that? or would i need to step up to a 6850 or so to do that? haven't had much sleep lately so if i am asking the wrong questions feel free to hit me with a trout lol.
 
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fffblackmage said:
^C2D's don't have unlocked multipliers. You need to increase the base clock to overclock. Just remember that increasing the base clock will also increase FSB and RAM clocks.

Those C2D were awesome chips to overclock though. I had an E6320 and I took it from 1.86GHz to 2.8GHz without problems, and I don't think I even needed to overvolt. It topped out at just over 3.0GHz, but I'm betting the FSB was holding me back from getting any further. Makes me wish I got the E6420 or E6600 for the higher multiplier.
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What kind RAM did you have with the E6320?
 
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I had a set of the infamous 2x1GB DDR2-800 Crucial Ballistix ram. It was supposed to be 4-4-4-12 at 2.2V, but my mobo (XFX 650i Ultra) didn't even support memory voltages higher than 2.1V, so I just ended up leaving the ram at the default 5-5-5-18, 1.8V. I didn't even overclock them much, since I left the E6320 at 2.8GHz / 1600MHz FSB most of the time.

I've heard that set of ram had a pretty high failure rate, but maybe because I hardly ever overclocked/overvolted them, they managed to live on. Actually, I'm still using them (upgraded cpu/mobo to PhII X4/785G), next to another set of 2x2GB DDR2-800 Ballistix (rated for 4-4-4-12 at 2.0V).
 
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Wolfsraider said:
I haven't overclocked that chip (or any chip in about 5 years), was hoping to run the game at high settings not ultra but at least high. Would overclocking help that? or would i need to step up to a 6850 or so to do that? haven't had much sleep lately so if i am asking the wrong questions feel free to hit me with a trout lol.
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Raids and such are typically more stressful on the GPU because there are all sorts of fancy spell animations going on. Big cities is usually where the CPU takes a hit because there are just so many players. WoW only heavily uses 2 threads, so going to a quad doesn't help the game that much, but overclocking a dual certainly can.
 
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patriot ddr2 800 I cant remember for sure but I think I tried overclocking the e6600 with minimal results, but I didn't make the best overclocking choices at the time (it was running an asrock mobo with a 4x agp card now its running an msi mobo and ddr3 kingston ram (from fry's) gonna have to see if that emergency buy came with overclocking features

Ah tyvm mfenn that explains a lot okay will do some testing sunday and see what I can push it too and I'll look up a guide on the spell effects to reduce that will help the most without impacting gameplay.


I believe the mobo is the g41 series and it has overclocking capabilities. What should I bump up fsb its 266 atm I should bump it up by i fsb at a time right?

Thank you all
 
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Well, bumping it by 1 MHz each time is very much on the cautious side. What you want to do is first go into the memory settings and reduce the DRAM:FSB ratio. This makes your memory run slower at stock FSB so that it will come back closer to stock as you raise the FSB.. Then increase the FSB by maybe 20 or so at a time. As the FSB gets higher, you will also need to increase the CPU voltage (vcore), but that's when the power and heat really start to go through the roof.
 
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Wolfsraider said:
sadly the best i got to was 2700mhz so i am setting it back stock for now :(
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Wow, that seems pretty darn low for a C2D.

Have you tried disabling all the power-saving features, ie EIST, C states, and then bumping it up?

I'm thinking that with just a little persistence, you can probably get it to at least 3.0 gHz, which is a fairly nice OC for you. :D

We are here to help, that's what we do. :thumbup:
 
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I did disable EIST, C states no change I did not adjust north bridge voltage... dont know how lol I mean yeah its probably in the bios but I have no clue what that particular voltage adjustment is called. I havent done much overclocking ever lol

at 2700 it was stable anything higher lost video / rebooted
 
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Wolfsraider said:
I did disable EIST, C states no change I did not adjust north bridge voltage... dont know how lol I mean yeah its probably in the bios but I have no clue what that particular voltage adjustment is called. I havent done much overclocking ever lol

at 2700 it was stable anything higher lost video / rebooted
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What kind of motherboard do you have? I'm assuming it's not a P35 or P45. Those can OC rather easily.
 
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