Former President Carter enters hospice care

Puffnstuff

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You have to admit that this guy has been busy since leaving office doing great things for humanity but sadly it appears that his time is near an end. IMHO I think he was a terrible president but a great person.

 
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outriding

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I feel he was a solid president….

his econ policies were kept in place well into the Reagan and got the economy back on track.

he also saw the future in renewable energy and put solar panels on the White House … only to be ripped down by Reagan

and several times over the best ex president…
 

Lanyap

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Sounds like he’s ready to go. He did a lot of good in his 98 years. Hope he passes peacefully and with no pain.
 
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Lezunto

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Jimmy Carter is one of the most decent and compassionate men to ever sit in the Oval Office. He was not a terrible President.

He simply allowed the ailing Shah of Iran into the U.S. to be treated for large cell lymphoma cancer. I don't believe U.S. intelligence agencies accurately gauged the amount of hate ordinary Iranians had for the Shah.
 

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I think people need reminding or educated on just what hospice is. Hospice is where all treatment is stopped, all and any treatment that prolongs or assists in prolonging and maintaining ones life. The exception would be the administering pain control, but that is it and no treatment beyond pain control will be administered.
Should you come down with a simple infection, oh say a kidney infection or bladder infection, antibiotics will not be administered to a patient in hospice care. They have strict rules and regulations pertaining to hospice care, and once you and your family agree to those rules then the family and the patient acknowledge no treatment will be administered, period. End of story.
In short, you are expected to die and you and your family agree with that expectation. For example, if we are talking about cancer and the patient should develop a simple infection, the patient will not be treated for that simple infection. I know that seems pretty crazy and harsh, but that is how hospice care works.

And frankly, most hospice patients simply die from starvation, and most cancer patients die from starvation as their body can no longer take in food or process food including fluids. Hospitals and treatment clinics will administer fluids intravenously to a cancer patient, but never will they in hospice care situation. Just like a person on a hunger strike protesting for a cause, that person withers away and their body shuts down, the same goes for a patient in hospice care.
From lack of food and fluids, the body shuts down and usually it is the heart that fails thus the cause of death. Not the cancer per se, but organ failure from lack of nutrition.
I had always believed people that die from cancer die in pain and agony, but that is not the case most of the time. Most cancer patients die from organ failure and extreme weakness due to lack of nutrition. However, pain medication will always be administered.

Then you have the costs of hospice care.
Home hospice care most likely will be covered by most insurance, to a point. However, in-facility hospice care is usually not covered and facility hospice care runs into thousands of dollars a month. Thousands of dollars a month not covered by insurance.
My sister who died from pancreatic cancer (the death sentence of all cancers), could not do home hospice and entered into a hospice facility where she was billed some $11,000 a month for care. She lasted two months in hospice, insurance would not pay a dime, and the bill(s) went into her estate. I suppose the in-laws will need to sell her house to settle those hospice bills. I don't know... its their problem now. Death, money, wills and in-laws... Quite another issue.

If Jimmy Carter can eat on his own or take in fluids on his own then he could certainly last weeks and possibly months. But when his body can no longer process food and fluids, that's about the end of it. And that is how most hospice patients pass away both in home care and in-facility care.

That's all.
 

Puffnstuff

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Jimmy Carter is one of the most decent and compassionate men to ever sit in the Oval Office. He was not a terrible President.

He simply allowed the ailing Shah of Iran into the U.S. to be treated for large cell lymphoma cancer. I don't believe U.S. intelligence agencies accurately gauged the amount of hate ordinary Iranians had for the Shah.
He gave away the Panama Canal and now we have to pay for our navy to transit a structure that we built and paid for. :eek:
 

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Not a terrible president. He tried to get America out of OPEC's grip but was thwarted by those who worship money, then received their vitriol in perpetuity because of it. Probably the most honest president we've ever had, not to mention one with a reputation of willing to get his own hands dirty to help people (see Chalk River, various Habit for Humanity projects)

Pretty much the antithesis of a criminal, crook and traitor like Trump. He's still the only Baptist or sunday school teacher I've ever been able to tolerate, let alone respect. He rightly called out the Southern Baptists and then left their racist asses back in the day, that really impressed me.

I hope he passes peacefully and comfortably surrounded by those who love him. When he departs for the Happy Hunting Grounds I will toast his legacy and service with heartfelt thanks.
 
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kage69

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We had to wait until Reagan was being sworn in to get our hostages back from Iran because he was afraid to act.

Wtf are you talking about? "Afraid to act"? He launched Eagle Claw, which is why Iran decided not to release them until he was out of office. It was a F U, like putting an American pilots charred corpse on a stamp.

He did go on to sell Iran weapons though, when he wasn't excusing apartheid or turning a blind eye to American nuns getting gang raped. Perhaps your idea of courage needs work. Additionally maybe you should spend more time refreshing yourself on history before trying to abbreviate it here for us? This is a poor choice of threads to fluff Reagan btw.
 

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We had to wait until Reagan was being sworn in to get our hostages back from Iran because he was afraid to act.
So you're into revisionist history. Carter ordered a rescue mission that went horribly wrong mainly due to the desert sands. This being the case your claim that Carter was afraid to act is a bald faced lie.

"During the operation, three of eight helicopters failed, crippling the crucial airborne plans. The mission was then canceled at the staging area in Iran, but during the withdrawal one of the retreating helicopters collided with one of six C-130 transport planes, killing eight service members and injuring five."
 
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We had to wait until Reagan was being sworn in to get our hostages back from Iran because he was afraid to act.

The Iranians announced the release of the hostages minutes after Reagan finished his inaugural address. They were trying to punish Carter for supporting the Shah, by causing him to lose the election.

 
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Yeah, fucking horrible we gave back territory we effectively stole.
No decent President can pass into history without the right trashing them as much as they can. God save the wallets of the rich if too many people wake up to who is really fucking them. Make sure they fuck themselves with their own implanted delusions so they will be too ashamed to see the real enemy, their own incapacity to resist programming by fear. Oh my God we gave away the Panama Canal. We've been robbed. Now what can we do about the ILWU pirates that use those monster cranes to reach into our pockets.