Former NSA Intelligence Analyst & Action Officer - wants to talk

conjur

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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/22/181334/51
Former NSA Intelligence Analyst & Action Officer Urges to be Heard by Congress Regarding Unlawful Conduct by NSA

Russ Tice, former National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence analyst and action officer, has sent the following two letters to the chairs of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees. Mr. Tice intends to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while he was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involved the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense, and were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP). SAP programs and operations are more commonly referred to as "black world" programs and operations. Mr. Tice was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.

Mr. Tice stated: "As a Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) officer it is continually drilled into us that the very first law chiseled in the SIGINT equivalent of the Ten Commandments (USSID-18) is that Thou shall not spy on American persons without a court order from FISA. This law is continually drilled into each NSA intelligence officer throughout his or her career. The very people that lead the National Security Agency have violated this holy edict of SIGINT." A pivotal question in this case is whether Americans were being spied on via a vacuum cleaner approach wherein vast amounts of information are sucked in. FISA warrants require a name of the target and would not cover such a mass approach. He also added: "In addition to knowing this fundamental commandment of not violating the civil rights of Americans, intelligence officers are required to take an oath to protect the United States Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. It is with my oath as a US intelligence officer weighing heavy on my mind that I wish to report to congress acts that I believe are unlawful and unconstitutional. The freedom of the American people cannot be protected when our constitutional liberties are ignored and our nation has decayed into a police state."

"These actions by the current administration are a compulsion to secrecy, an expansive view of presidential authority, and reluctance to answer to the people and Congress. Woodrow Wilson, himself no novice concerning secrecy, claimed that it is a 'fair presumption that secrecy means impropriety'. That is a presumption that we have been called upon to suspend in the name of national security, but with recent disclosures that suspended judgment appears to have been unwise. We urge the congress to hold hearings and let patriotic witnesses like Russ Tice testify," stated Sibel Edmonds, the director of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC).

Michael Ostrolenk, National Director of the Liberty Coalition agrees with Mrs. Edmonds and stated further "I am glad to know that Mr. Tice takes his oath to the Constitution seriously. He obviously knows that his obligation is not to this or any Administration but to our Republican form of government with its proper checks and balances and to protect the rights it was instituted to secure." He continued "This is less about a particular Administration and more about the natural tendency for government to become destructive to the very ends it was created to fulfill. I hope that Congress takes it oversight responsibilities seriously and investigates Mr. Tice's allegations in an open and non-partisan manner."

Here is the letter by Mr. Tice, sent on Dec 18, 2005, to the Senate & House Intelligence Committee:

Dear Chairman Roberts,

Under the provisions of the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA), I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency (NSA) and with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). These acts involve the Director of the National Security Agency, the Deputies Chief of Staff for Air and Space Operations, and the U.S. Secretary of Defense.

These probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts were conducted via very highly sensitive intelligence programs and operations known as Special Access Programs (SAP)s. I was a technical intelligence specialist dealing almost exclusively with SAP programs and operations at both NSA and DIA.

Due to the highly sensitive nature of these programs and operations, I will require assurances from your committee that the staffers and/or congressional members to participate retain the proper security clearances, and also have the appropriate SAP cleared facilities available for these discussions.

Please inform me when you require my appearance on Capitol Hill to conduct these discussions in relation to this ICWPA report.

Very Respectfully,

Russell D. Tice

Former Intelligence Officer, NSA
I'd posted this before the y2k6 glitch zapped all of my active threads but this blurb below caught my eye. Good to know the Moonie Times is Johnny-on-the-spot with their crack reporting.

:laugh:

Ol' Bill "I'm the king of intelligence reporting" Gertz is just now getting on this story
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060104-114052-6606r.htm


"Gertzie, you're doing a heckuva job!"

:laugh:



I still won't be holding my breath that Sen. Roberts will do more than wipe his arse with that letter.

BTW, "Hey, Senator Roberts. Where's the second phase of that investigation into pre-war intelligence abuses by the WH? Didn't you say you had planned to start it the 'next week' when Sen. Reid put the Senate into a closed session?
 

piasabird

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Yoiu know the NSA and the CIA and the FBI are not on my A-List of trustworthy organizations. The NSA is not going to just tell you everything. You will have to beat it out of them through hours of grueling testimony and cross examination. This will not be an easy subject for Congress to get to the bottom of.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The only question now is... when will the indictment come?

Against who? Tice and anyone else who was a source at the NSA may be protected by whistleblower laws. I'm not a lawyer, but I was under the impression that some protection exists for people like this, not sure how that applies to government positions and classified information however.

As for the people engaged in the actual operations, up to and including Bush, it's not totally clear how illegal their actions are, so I assume we'll have to wait on them too.

But I'm glad to see that no one is rushing to judgement. After all, if the Plame case has taught us anything, it's that you guys HATE it when that happens ;)
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Pabster
The only question now is... when will the indictment come?
On the Propagandist? Not soon enough. Tice should be hailed as a HERO!
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: conjur
The only question now is... when will the indictment come?
On the Propagandist? Not soon enough. Tice should be hailed as a HERO!
[/quote]

Yeah, providing aid to our enemies is most certainly my definition of a "Hero" :confused:

He ought to be jailed along with the Times' Publisher and Editors.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: conjur
The only question now is... when will the indictment come?
On the Propagandist? Not soon enough. Tice should be hailed as a HERO!

Yeah, providing aid to our enemies is most certainly my definition of a "Hero" :confused:

He ought to be jailed along with the Times' Publisher and Editors.[/quote]

Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

According to many people's beliefs, we aren't at war. Fortunately America hasn't suffered a domestic attack since 9/11, but this has nothing to do with our Government's efforts to combat domestic terrorism.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

Then giving them targets to shoot at is also treason. So should the current administration be tried for treason for that and for putting US citizens in harms way?



 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

Then giving them targets to shoot at is also treason. So should the current administration be tried for treason for that and for putting US citizens in harms way?

That's a ridiculous statement, devoid of logic, no matter how you look at it.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

Then giving them targets to shoot at is also treason. So should the current administration be tried for treason for that and for putting US citizens in harms way?

That's a ridiculous statement, devoid of logic, no matter how you look at it.

I agree - I was just following Pabster's logic with some sarcasm.

 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: jrenz
That's a ridiculous statement, devoid of logic, no matter how you look at it.

Such is the state of the left.

State of the right: Murder, thievery, bribery, aggression, social darwinism, bigotry, racism and spouting bullsh*t.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

There have been several legal opinions written, including one by the Cpngressional Research Service, that have. And while you're charging a whistleblower who performed as valuable a service as any American could for democracy you and your ilk are still insisting that revealing the name of a CIA operative was no big deal.

I find your attitudes quaing and obsolete.

:laugh:

 

shira

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: conjur
The only question now is... when will the indictment come?
On the Propagandist? Not soon enough. Tice should be hailed as a HERO!

Yeah, providing aid to our enemies is most certainly my definition of a "Hero" :confused:

He ought to be jailed along with the Times' Publisher and Editors.[/quote]
Please describe what "aid" Tice supplied to our enemies.

Remember, what Tice revealed was NOT that domestic surveillance was being performed by the NSA. Domestic survellance by the NSA (and by the FBI) was already widely known to be occurring under the aegis of the FISA court. So any enemies of the U.S. knew that under a FISA court-order, they could be wire-tapped, have their emails intercepted, have their domiciles covertly searched - you name it.

They ONLY classified information that Tice revealed was that this type of surveillance and investigation was ALSO occurring WITHOUT A COURT ORDER, pursuant to authorization provided by the President.

So stop spewing propaganda, and please provide substantive information on how enemies of the U.S. benefit from this classified information.
 

jackschmittusa

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GWB says that they need to do it with no warrants because there are so many calls between Americans and AQ. Seems to me that if we know about these hundreds (thousands?) of AQ operatives out there, we should just round them up.

The real reason they don't is the government has no idea what so many of these people's intent is or whether they are actually AQ, but he wants to cast a wide net. So wide, that he knew FISA would never approve.

I, for one, am a little tired of of GWB's stance that as CIC, he is beyond law and oversight. And his mantra of "trust me, Ill keep you safe" has gone from a joke for me to the realm of discust.

I vote for a medal for for anyone who outs the little would-be dictator. Oh wait! They give those to guys like Tenent as an award for "Providing the most screwed up intel that ever was ever used as justification for war".
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
Your view of a free society stands in stark contrast to the reality of a free society.

Anyone who abuses the power granted them through either elected office or appointment deserves to be jailed, not those who expose the abuse. When government officials circumvent the law their governance becomes by definition illegal.

Last I knew, none of the supposed actions taken as part of the NSA programs have been ruled "illegal".

Aiding the enemy during a time of war, however, is called treason.

There have been several legal opinions written, including one by the Cpngressional Research Service, that have. And while you're charging a whistleblower who performed as valuable a service as any American could for democracy you and your ilk are still insisting that revealing the name of a CIA operative was no big deal.

I find your attitudes quaing and obsolete.

:laugh:

opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one.

 

trenchfoot

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opinions are like a-holes, everybody has one

i agree. but we must not forget that every grommet out there is unique in how they look and especially in how they smell. :D

and don't ask me how i know. it's just a "wag" on my part. (pun intended) ;)

*edit* for spelling
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Yeah, providing aid to our enemies is most certainly my definition of a "Hero" :confused:

He ought to be jailed along with the Times' Publisher and Editors.
So by your logic, leakers of Plame's name have committed treason since they endangered the clandestine operations of the CIA and thus have aided the enemy, no?
 

KGB

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It looks like Tice might not get a chance to testify. :disgust:

Christian Science Monitor

He's been warned by the NSA that the information is so highly classified that even members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees - who are charged with overseeing the work of the intelligence community - don't have clearance to hear about them. If Mr. Tice talks at the hearings early next month, he could face criminal prosecution.

:confused: These are the very people on the oversight comittees
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Who the fvck has clearance to hear it, then? The Propagandist, DICK, and Kindasleazy??

:roll:


Goddamn unitary executive branch has turned America into a monarchy.

All hail King George!