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Pr0d1gy

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While tragic it greatly concerns me when the fate of 0.0000001% of the population is used to change\massage the rights of the remainder. By itself this is not so 'bad' and one would hope that the justice system will work as desired. Unfortunately there seems to be a growing trend of squeezing the rights and freedoms with the expectation that people can be protected from any harm no matter how statistically insignificant
Glad you said it, I'm trying to stay out of jail/psychward/etc. :p
 

a777pilot

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We are becoming Nazi Germany. Hell, we are there now in a lot of respects. (One man rule to institute National Socialism.)

What was done to this Marine is just wrong.

Are the "authorities" taking away the Democrat Presidential campaign workers who said their plan was to "kill Romney"? Oh, yes the President agreed. So I guess the President ought be given a 30 day assessment of his mental health. (Not a bad idea.)

I guess 9/11 destroyed more than just a few buildings, but also took out our Bill of Rights, too.
 

a777pilot

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Just how in anyone's disturbed mind is what I posted a threat to obama? Hell, it is obama that said he was OK with the plan to "kill Romney".

I'm white. I'm a Marine. I've been to war. I'm middle class. I own guns.....and know how to use them. I guess I am one of the American Terrorists this government is so worried about being out there in flyover land.

ROFLMAO!
 

Pr0d1gy

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Just how in anyone's disturbed mind is what I posted a threat to obama? Hell, it is obama that said he was OK with the plan to "kill Romney".

I'm white. I'm a Marine. I've been to war. I'm middle class. I own guns.....and know how to use them. I guess I am one of the American Terrorists this government is so worried about being out there in flyover land.

ROFLMAO!
I'm not persecuting you man, I'm just letting you know what's happening.
 

diesbudt

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We are becoming Nazi Germany. Hell, we are there now in a lot of respects. (One man rule to institute National Socialism.)

What was done to this Marine is just wrong.

Are the "authorities" taking away the Democrat Presidential campaign workers who said their plan was to "kill Romney"? Oh, yes the President agreed. So I guess the President ought be given a 30 day assessment of his mental health. (Not a bad idea.)

I guess 9/11 destroyed more than just a few buildings, but also took out our Bill of Rights, too.
Honestly Bill of Rights need a massive overhaul / update anyways. So many changes in peoples mindsets and technology advancement has happened sincethis was created.
 

a777pilot

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Honestly Bill of Rights need a massive overhaul / update anyways. So many changes in peoples mindsets and technology advancement has happened sincethis was created.
You could not be more wrong, but I'll bite.....

What is one change you would make to the Bill of Rights?
 

JKing106

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Just how in anyone's disturbed mind is what I posted a threat to obama? Hell, it is obama that said he was OK with the plan to "kill Romney".

I'm white. I'm a Marine. I've been to war. I'm middle class. I own guns.....and know how to use them. I guess I am one of the American Terrorists this government is so worried about being out there in flyover land.

ROFLMAO!
No, you're just a dumbass, authoritarian, jarhead baby boomer. You hate black people, you hate "hippies," you worship anything with a badge or uniform. You're a fucking cliche. American will be a much better place when people like you are gone.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Honestly Bill of Rights need a massive overhaul / update anyways. So many changes in peoples mindsets and technology advancement has happened sincethis was created.
Dead wrong. The Bill of Rights is one of the most insightful and meaningful pieces of philisophical political literature ever written. It and the Constitution should be the guidelines for everything we do as a nation, always. I'm not even a soldier, or a gun owner, and I would fight to preserve the leadership introduced by those documents because I believe in America and the freedoms those documents assure.
 

diesbudt

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You could not be more wrong, but I'll bite.....

What is one change you would make to the Bill of Rights?
Change the name to the "Amendments of American Rights", disreguard the fact of the so "special first 10 amendments" as all 27 are important. (Aka BoR only speaks of the first 10)

Also, some laws are too, general or grey area'ed. 2nd Amendment should state what "arms" are and what does it mean to be allowed to bare them. Sure courts and other laws have defined this, but its sad to see people drivel out amendment's in a debate without realizing it goes much deeper via added on/newer laws.

Basically, they need an update. No changes to the freedoms they give. But a 21st century update.
 

a777pilot

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No, you're just a dumbass, authoritarian, jarhead baby boomer. You hate black people, you hate "hippies," you worship anything with a badge or uniform. You're a fucking cliche. American will be a much better place when people like you are gone.
Oh, that's good. Almost singature material. Thanks.
 

diesbudt

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Dead wrong. The Bill of Rights is one of the most insightful and meaningful pieces of philisophical political literature ever written. It and the Constitution should be the guidelines for everything we do as a nation, always. I'm not even a soldier, or a gun owner, and I would fight to preserve the leadership introduced by those documents because I believe in America and the freedoms those documents assure.
Not saying the content needs changed. That the wording and newer laws that affect each amendment actually gets added onto the rights page.

There is approx. 10+ laws that define or add on to the grey area of most of the amendments. Which in law, and debate can cause quite a controversy as it then must be deciphered what is in each amendment. Instead of having a clear meaning of what each says.
 

a777pilot

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Change the name to the "Amendments of American Rights", disreguard the fact of the so "special first 10 amendments" as all 27 are important. (Aka BoR only speaks of the first 10)

Also, some laws are too, general or grey area'ed. 2nd Amendment should state what "arms" are and what does it mean to be allowed to bare them. Sure courts and other laws have defined this, but its sad to see people drivel out amendment's in a debate without realizing it goes much deeper via added on/newer laws.

Basically, they need an update. No changes to the freedoms they give. But a 21st century update.
So you just don't like the Bill of Rights but have no idea why and have no recomendations for an actual improvement.

Got it.

Thanks.
 

diesbudt

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God, you're such a troll.

because I have a different viewpoint that wasn't clearly expressed, which is my fault, makes me a troll?

Either the definition of Troll is getting very vast these days, or you can't stand the fact that I am allowed my own opinions.
 

a777pilot

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Dead wrong. The Bill of Rights is one of the most insightful and meaningful pieces of philisophical political literature ever written. It and the Constitution should be the guidelines for everything we do as a nation, always. I'm not even a soldier, or a gun owner, and I would fight to preserve the leadership introduced by those documents because I believe in America and the freedoms those documents assure.
When he's right he's right and he is so right.

Very well stated. Thanks for that post.
 

diesbudt

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So you just don't like the Bill of Rights but have no idea why and have no recomendations for an actual improvement.

Got it.

Thanks.

Right. Because you clearly didn't understand what I said by update. I didn't ask for changes to the Amendments. I asked that it gets cleared up as 200+ years of additional laws have been added on in the "book of law" but has not been formally understood with each amendment unless you either are a lawyer or fully understand law.

There has been courts, debates and laws to define what "arms" are in the 2nd amendment. And everything in between. So it shouldnt be too much to ask for an update to the law that includesall of that so people don't learn just the very base of law. Otherwise that is like learning Addition and subtraction and thinking that is all there is when it comes to math.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
 

nobodyknows

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because I have a different viewpoint that wasn't clearly expressed, which is my fault, makes me a troll?

Either the definition of Troll is getting very vast these days, or you can't stand the fact that I am allowed my own opinions.
The whole notion of messing with the bill of rights is ludicrous. That's why I called you a troll. While we're at it, we should update the constitution too, it's getting pretty old too. I mean this "We the people" thing is so outdated.
 

diesbudt

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The whole notion of messing with the bill of rights is ludicrous. That's why I called you a troll. While we're at it, we should update the constitution too, it's getting pretty old too. I mean this "We the people" thing is so outdated.
Constitution actually doesn't hold any "laws" in itself but holds articles and the amendments that do have laws. No need to change the preamble or anything like that, that isn't a direct law of some sort. And therefore has no reason to need an update. The 2nd amendment has been challenged so many times in -

What is a militia?
What are arms?
What is a right to bare them?
Why can we bare arms in private and not public domain?
(and so on)

That each of these is actually well defined now. Yet the Amendment still just states the very basic wording it had over 200 years ago. So when people learn the basic laws of this land they actually learn more than just the phrase

"The right to bare arms"
 

nobodyknows

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Constitution actually doesn't hold any "laws" in itself but holds articles and the amendments that do have laws. No need to change the preamble or anything like that, that isn't a direct law of some sort. And therefore has no reason to need an update. The 2nd amendment has been challenged so many times in -

What is a militia?
What are arms?
What is a right to bare them?
Why can we bare arms in private and not public domain?
(and so on)

That each of these is actually well defined now. Yet the Amendment still just states the very basic wording it had over 200 years ago. So when people learn the basic laws of this land they actually learn more than just the phrase

"The right to bare arms"
It's "the right to keep and bear (not bare) arms shall not be infringed" and it seems pretty self explanatory to me.... especially the "not be infringed" part.

Definition of INFRINGE

transitive verb


1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another
 

alien42

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(blah blah blah, crazy rant), I guess 9/11 destroyed more than just a few buildings, but also took out our Bill of Rights, too.
yeah, it was called the Patriot Act and what are the odds you supported both it and the politicians behind it.
 

Pr0d1gy

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yeah, it was called the Patriot Act and what are the odds you supported both it and the politicians behind it.
We all did, at the time. The nation was pretty unified by patriotism at that moment in time. We were all wrong, of course, and it appears in hindsight that 9/11 was used against Americans for a number of reasons by our politicians.
 

nobodyknows

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We all did, at the time. The nation was pretty unified by patriotism at that moment in time. We were all wrong, of course, and it appears in hindsight that 9/11 was used against Americans for a number of reasons by our politicians.
No, we didn't ALL support it. Not even close.
 

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