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Aimster

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The former defense minister of Iran has gone missing. He disappeared while he was inside Turkey.

Why is this big news? He knows everything about the Iranian regime. He has the knowledge of all their military training and hardware. He knows where all the key locations are.
He can even shed light on Iran's involvement with Hezbollah and their prisoners (good for Israel). All of Iran's secret nuclear sites will no longer be a secret anymore.

According to the Arabs/Israelis he has defected. Now some Iranian sources are saying it looks like he ran off on his own too. Before they were accusing the Mossad of kidnapping him. There is still doubt as to what happened to him, but it is leaning towards defection.

He wants to come to the United States.

Congrats. The West will now know everything about Iran's military and nuclear infrastructure. I bet Iran, Russian, and China are pissing themselves. Iran because everything is going to be made public. Russia and China because they probably gave Iran weapons they didn't want the West to know (defense systems, aircraft, etc).
 
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IF this is in fact true its great news!!!!!!


U-S-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 
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Where is a link, so we can believe you? you know better than that! tsk tsk
 
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imported_Shivetya

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Well its rumored that many inside Iran do not like the current leadership but know better than to speak out.

He could be defecting in order to prevent a war. With Iran's recent developments they may actually be planning or doing something leading up to one.

 
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Don't we already know that Russia and China are selling weapons to Iran?

Don't we already know that 'elements' of Iranian leadership actively support opposition forces in Lebanon and Iraq?

Don't we already know that Iran has an aggressive plan for advancing their nuclear capabilities?


One of the few things this guy could contribute would be the exact location of Iranian nuclear facilities. What's next . . . a pre-emptive attack by Israel or the US? The entire Middle East would go up like a powder keg with a 160k US troops stuck in the middle.

I love defectors b/c it's obvious we know very little (explicitly) about what's going on in Iran. But I wouldn't get too excited . . . until this guy proves he has more utility than Chalabi or Curveball.
 
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Its somewhat a question of why he defected---he's retired and maybe out of favor---and now he wants attention and his 15 minutes of fame for fun and profit.---maybe the guy has some intel of value--but the location of the nuclear fatalities are fairly well known already. The problem is that they are build deep underground---too deep for conventional explosive bunker busting type bombs---and its likely going to take nuclear type bunker busters to take them out.----are any attacking powers like Israel or the USA prepared to take the nuclear step?---or even the conventional bombing step----when Iran---as the attacked party would have every right to retaliate---and unlike Saddam---Iran is hardly a paper tiger or toothless.

In the international espionage game---defectors are always routine---so you minimize the damage---and move on. And have to be very careful in believing the defector you get---they may be playing curveball or screwball games with you.
 
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Hm, Israel may have orchestrated it:
Another US official, who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Asghari's disappearance was voluntary and was orchestrated by Israel.
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Wadda ya know? I guess it is worth having a true ally in the Middle East.
Reminds me of the MIG-21 defection organized in 1966, later on provided to the US for analysis.
 
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ayabe

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Originally posted by: dna
Hm, Israel may have orchestrated it:
Another US official, who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Asghari's disappearance was voluntary and was orchestrated by Israel.
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Wadda ya know? I guess it is worth having a true ally in the Middle East.
Reminds me of the MIG-21 defection organized in 1966, later on provided to the US for analysis.
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Let's see how this plays out before we start jumping for joy.

Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.

But I digress ;)
 
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imported_dna

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.
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:roll:

Geez, I suppose that 9/11/2001 might have been different today without our "unabashed support of Israel in all matters".

What's next? The moon landing affected the relationship with Iran?
 
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Aimster

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Everything is always about the Jews with dna.

JesusFckCHrist STFU already. Fanatical wacko behavior.
 
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ayabe

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: ayabe
Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.
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:roll:

Geez, I suppose that 9/11/2001 might have been different today without our "unabashed support of Israel in all matters".

What's next? The moon landing affected the relationship with Iran?
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I didn't say that. The facts are the facts however.
 
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imported_dna

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Cool down, Mr. Half-Jew Millionaire.

I've posted something relevant to the story.

Deal with it.

Originally posted by: ayabe
I didn't say that. The facts are the facts however.
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What are the facts? That you have an axe to grind against Israel?

What you're doing is not much different than those who scapegoat all the problems in the Middle East on Israel.
 
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Aimster

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Originally posted by: dna
Cool down, Mr. Half-Jew Millioner.

I've posted something relevant to the story.

Deal with it.
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Oh pleaze. You always try to turn everything in favor of Israel.

You are like the Israel PR, Just like ProfJohn is the PR for Bush.

You say anything. and I mean ANYTHING about Bush and ProfJohn will have a heart attack. Same goes for you and Jews/Israel.

Both of you have a sick obsession over something. Get over it. You ruin threads.
 
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imported_dna

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Aimster, I don't know what your problem is, but even if I were doing PR for Israel, then it does not even compare to all the negative stories that have been against it.

A recent survey has shown that people's view of Israel is very negative, and I can't say that I'm surprised, given as how easily people are swayed by Pallywood videos such as Al-Durah. The UN freakshow doesn't help either.

Most people here bitch about support for Israel, but forget the kind of contribution like with the MIG-21. (remember the cold war?)

We'll see how this story pans out, and if Israel was behind it.
 
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What do you want to do? Try to defend Israel every chance you get? The world is raised to hate Jews and 90% of the people have no idea why they hate Jews. The other 10% hate Jews because they are wealthy and are jealous.

You have two options. You can not give in to the idiots who like to put down the Jews on a daily basis and live your life being part of one of the most successful people on the planet .. or... give in and waste your time trying to defend a people who are always going to be hated no matter what.

When it comes to the media, they pick on Israel because Israel is a powerful nation. All powerful nations with arms who use those arms are usually criticized because they usually put their life first. The media uses this to their advantage to build a story. The media is usually on the side of the underdog and Israel is definitely not no underdog.

Face it.. nobody gives a rats ass about Jews or Muslims other than the Jews and Muslims themselves. They are both the most hated people on the planet. You are not doing anything in your favor by posting crap about Muslims on the Internet. If you want the world to hate Muslims and oppress them then your beloved Israel will be the first to suffer being in the heartland of the Muslim world
 
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ayabe

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Originally posted by: Aimster
What do you want to do? Try to defend Israel every chance you get? The world is raised to hate Jews and 90% of the people have no idea why they hate Jews. The other 10% hate Jews because they are wealthy and are jealous.

You have two options. You can not give in to the idiots who like to put down the Jews on a daily basis and live your life being part of one of the most successful people on the planet .. or... give in and waste your time trying to defend a people who are always going to be hated no matter what.

When it comes to the media, they pick on Israel because Israel is a powerful nation. All powerful nations with arms who use those arms are usually criticized because they usually put their life first. The media uses this to their advantage to build a story. The media is usually on the side of the underdog and Israel is definitely not no underdog.

Face it.. nobody gives a rats ass about Jews or Muslims other than the Jews and Muslims themselves. They are both the most hated people on the planet. You are not doing anything in your favor by posting crap about Muslims on the Internet. If you want the world to hate Muslims and oppress them then your beloved Israel will be the first to suffer being in the heartland of the Muslim world
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1. I'm not an idiot.

2. Not being a fan of our countries policies towards Israel doesn't equal hating Jews.

3. You just fell into the trap of making that connection, which is exactly what the MSM does, congrats.
 
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RichardE

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: dna
Hm, Israel may have orchestrated it:
Another US official, who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Asghari's disappearance was voluntary and was orchestrated by Israel.
Click to expand...

Wadda ya know? I guess it is worth having a true ally in the Middle East.
Reminds me of the MIG-21 defection organized in 1966, later on provided to the US for analysis.
Click to expand...

Let's see how this plays out before we start jumping for joy.

Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.

But I digress ;)
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I seriously doubt the relationship would be any different if the US were not allies with Israel. Iran would still be an enemy to the US, the only thing is we would not have a friendly nation in what we have in Israel to keep them at bay.

O another note, the defection, if it is true is great news. Worst comes to worst Iran will begin moving there things around, which will hopefully result in them making a mistake.

Also, to the poster that said it is already common knowledge that China/Russia give weapons. It is not, it is rumored. But how would you feel if you were Israel and the country you are trading with (China) is giving weapons to the country that wants to destroy you (Iran). This could end up pretty huge if Israel finds out China was and cuts off trading with China.
 
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ayabe

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: dna
Hm, Israel may have orchestrated it:
Another US official, who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Asghari's disappearance was voluntary and was orchestrated by Israel.
Click to expand...

Wadda ya know? I guess it is worth having a true ally in the Middle East.
Reminds me of the MIG-21 defection organized in 1966, later on provided to the US for analysis.
Click to expand...

Let's see how this plays out before we start jumping for joy.

Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.

But I digress ;)
Click to expand...

I seriously doubt the relationship would be any different if the US were not allies with Israel. Iran would still be an enemy to the US, the only thing is we would not have a friendly nation in what we have in Israel to keep them at bay.

O another note, the defection, if it is true is great news. Worst comes to worst Iran will begin moving there things around, which will hopefully result in them making a mistake.

Also, to the poster that said it is already common knowledge that China/Russia give weapons. It is not, it is rumored. But how would you feel if you were Israel and the country you are trading with (China) is giving weapons to the country that wants to destroy you (Iran). This could end up pretty huge if Israel finds out China was and cuts off trading with China.
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The Iranians hate Israel with a passion as do most of the ME countries, we support them almost without exception, both financially and politically. It's naive to say that our support for Israel has had absolutely no impact on our relationship in the Middle East and specifically Iran.

Israel does what it needs to do to survive, and I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that what is in Israel's best interest isn't always our own and we should make an attempt to separate the two. This is not possible, for anyone critical of Israel is attacked viciously in the media usually with implied anti-semitic bias.


Edit - You can be friends with a nation and a trusted ally without getting the special treatment that Israel does. The US has a lot of allies(though less every day it seems) and yet we aren't subsidizing any country to the extent that we do Israel, not even close. Huge amounts of money spent over the past 50 years, a lot of which through loans that we aren't expecting payment for ever.

Israel is not the fledgling nation is was way back when, they are more than capable of standing on their own feet, and that's all I want, and end to financial support, repayment of past debts, and the US being a completely neutral partner in the Palestinian affair.

 
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RichardE

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: dna
Hm, Israel may have orchestrated it:
Another US official, who spoke to the Washington Post on the condition of anonymity, suggested that Asghari's disappearance was voluntary and was orchestrated by Israel.
Click to expand...

Wadda ya know? I guess it is worth having a true ally in the Middle East.
Reminds me of the MIG-21 defection organized in 1966, later on provided to the US for analysis.
Click to expand...

Let's see how this plays out before we start jumping for joy.

Also, let's not forget that our relationship with Iran might be different today without our unabashed support of Israel in all matters. So it's only fitting that they help diffuse the situation a little bit.

But I digress ;)
Click to expand...

I seriously doubt the relationship would be any different if the US were not allies with Israel. Iran would still be an enemy to the US, the only thing is we would not have a friendly nation in what we have in Israel to keep them at bay.

O another note, the defection, if it is true is great news. Worst comes to worst Iran will begin moving there things around, which will hopefully result in them making a mistake.

Also, to the poster that said it is already common knowledge that China/Russia give weapons. It is not, it is rumored. But how would you feel if you were Israel and the country you are trading with (China) is giving weapons to the country that wants to destroy you (Iran). This could end up pretty huge if Israel finds out China was and cuts off trading with China.
Click to expand...

The Iranians hate Israel with a passion as do most of the ME countries, we support them almost without exception, both financially and politically. It's naive to say that our support for Israel has had absolutely no impact on our relationship in the Middle East and specifically Iran.

Israel does what it needs to do to survive, and I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that what is in Israel's best interest isn't always our own and we should make an attempt to separate the two. This is not possible, for anyone critical of Israel is attacked viciously in the media usually with implied anti-semitic bias.
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I never said that our support of Israel has not caused the US to lose support of other countries in the middle east. I am saying they would still hate us either way. If the US had never supported Israel it would still be hated by the people in the middle east. You give too much credit of the current situation to the relationship.
 
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