Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'

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Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition And 'Inside Job'
Highly recognized former chief economist in Labor Department now doubts official 9/11 story, claiming suspicious facts and evidence cover-up indicate government foul play and possible criminal implications.
June 12, 2005
By Greg Szymanski

A former chief economist in the Labor Department during President Bush's first term now believes the official story about the collapse of the WTC is 'bogus,' saying it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7.

"If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling," said Morgan Reynolds, Ph.D, a former member of the Bush team who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis headquartered in Dallas, TX.

Reynolds, now a professor emeritus at Texas A&M University, also believes it's 'next to impossible' that 19 Arab Terrorists alone outfoxed the mighty U.S. military, adding the scientific conclusions about the WTC collapse may hold the key to the entire mysterious plot behind 9/11.

"It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7," said Reynolds this week from his offices at Texas A&M. "If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings.

"More importantly, momentous political and social consequences would follow if impartial observers concluded that professionals imploded the WTC. Meanwhile, the job of scientists, engineers and impartial researchers everywhere is to get the scientific and engineering analysis of 9/11 right."

However, Reynolds said "getting it right in today's security state' remains challenging because he claims explosives and structural experts have been intimidated in their analyses of the collapses of 9/11.

From the beginning, the Bush administration claimed that burning jet fuel caused the collapse of the towers. Although many independent investigators have disagreed, they have been hard pressed to disprove the government theory since most of the evidence was removed by FEMA prior to independent investigation.

Critics claim the Bush administration has tried to cover-up the evidence and the recent 9/11 Commission has failed to address the major evidence contradicting the official version of 9/11.

Some facts demonstrating the flaws in the government jet fuel theory include:

-- Photos showing people walking around in the hole in the North Tower where 10,000 gallons of jet fuel supposedly was burning..

--When the South Tower was hit, most of the North Tower's flames had already vanished, burning for only 16 minutes, making it relatively easy to contain and control without a total collapse.

--The fire did not grow over time, probably because it quickly ran out of fuel and was suffocating, indicating without added explosive devices the firs could have been easily controlled.

--FDNY fire fighters still remain under a tight government gag order to not discuss the explosions they heard, felt and saw. FAA personnel are also under a similar 9/11 gag order.

--Even the flawed 9/11 Commission Report acknowledges that "none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible."


-- Fire had never before caused steel-frame buildings to collapse except for the three buildings on 9/11, nor has fire collapsed any steel high rise since 9/11.

-- The fires, especially in the South Tower and WTC-7, were relatively small.

-- WTC-7 was unharmed by an airplane and had only minor fires on the seventh and twelfth floors of this 47-story steel building yet it collapsed in less than 10 seconds.

-- WTC-5 and WTC-6 had raging fires but did not collapse despite much thinner steel beams.

-- In a PBS documentary, Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, told the fire department commander on 9/11 about WTC-7 that. "may be the smartest thing to do is pull it," slang for demolish it.

-- It's difficult if not impossible for hydrocarbon fires like those fed by jet fuel (kerosene) to raise the temperature of steel close to melting.

Despite the numerous holes in the government story, the Bush administration has brushed aside or basically ignored any and all critics. Mainstream experts, speaking for the administration, offer a theory essentially arguing that an airplane impact weakened each structure and an intense fire thermally weakened structural components, causing buckling failures while allowing the upper floors to pancake onto the floors below.

One who supports the official account is Thomas Eager, professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT. He argues that the collapse occurred by the extreme heat from the fires, causing the loss of loading-bearing capacity on the structural frame.

Eagar points out the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength," or around 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit. Critics claim his theory is flawed since the fires did not appear to be intense and widespread enough to reach such high temperatures.

Other experts supporting the official story claim the impact of the airplanes, not the heat, weakened the entire structural system of the towers, but critics contend the beams on floors 94-98 did not appear severely weakened, much less the entire structural system.

Further complicating the matter, hard evidence to fully substantiate either theory since evidence is lacking due to FEMA's quick removal of the structural steel before it could be analyzed. Even though the criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be kept for forensic analysis, FEMA had it destroyed or shipped overseas before a serious investigation could take place.

And even more doubt is cast over why FEMA acted so swiftly since coincidentally officials had arrived the day before the 9/11 attacks at New York's Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, named "Tripod II."

Besides FEMA's quick removal of the debris, authorities considered the steel quite valuable as New York City officials had every debris truck tracked on GPS and even fired one truck driver who took an unauthorized lunch break.

In a detailed analysis just released supporting the controlled demolition theory, Reynolds presents a compelling case.


"First, no steel-framed skyscraper, even engulfed in flames hour after hour, had ever collapsed before. Suddenly, three stunning collapses occur within a few city blocks on the same day, two allegedly hit by aircraft, the third not," said Reynolds. "These extraordinary collapses after short-duration minor fires made it all the more important to preserve the evidence, mostly steel girders, to study what had happened.

"On fire intensity, consider this benchmark: A 1991 FEMA report on Philadelphia's Meridian Plaza fire said that the fire was so energetic that 'beams and girders sagged and twisted, but despite this extraordinary exposure, the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage.' Such an intense fire with consequent sagging and twisting steel beams bears no resemblance to what we observed at the WTC."


After considering both sides of the 9/11 debate and after thoroughly sifting through all the available material, Reynolds concludes the government story regarding all four plane crashes on 9/11 remains highly suspect.

"In fact, the government has failed to produce significant wreckage from any of the four alleged airliners that fateful day. The familiar photo of the Flight 93 crash site in Pennsylvania shows no fuselage, engine or anything recognizable as a plane, just a smoking hole in the ground," said Reynolds. "Photographers reportedly were not allowed near the hole. Neither the FBI nor the National Transportation Safety Board have investigated or produced any report on the alleged airliner crashes."

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Greg Szymanski

 

Ryan

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I think you forgot the warning to put your Tin Foil hat on prior to reading.
 

dmcowen674

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This is disgusting :(

I was a Fireman in New York for 8 years.

I lost both friends that were Firemen and Police in those buildings.

They were lucky the buildings stood as long as they did.

When I saw the Com tower starting to go over I knew the structural integrity was going a good 10 minutes before it pancaked down.

Anyone in Official capacity in this Administration saying this garbage should be tried as a traitor and given a lethal dose.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: morkinva

"In fact, the government has failed to produce significant wreckage from any of the four alleged airliners that fateful day.

There were people on the ground killed by aircraft debris such as a complete wheel assembly.

Pure garbage. :thumbsdown: A disgrace to the memory of those that perished.
 

Harvey

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Whoevever put that out in public needs to put down the crack pipe. :|

It's not like we don't have lots of live video of the planes flying into the buildings. :roll:
 

charrison

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IF it was done by demolition charges, why did they not make the buildings fall sideways, rather than almost straight down.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This is disgusting :(

I was a Fireman in New York for 8 years.

I lost both friends that were Firemen and Police in those buildings.

They were lucky the buildings stood as long as they did.

When I saw the Com tower starting to go over I knew the structural integrity was going a good 10 minutes before it pancaked down.

Anyone in Official capacity in this Administration saying this garbage should be tried as a traitor and given a lethal dose.


A hint of common sense from Dave!! ;)

Personally I like stuff like this. It keeps the leftwing quacks chasing their tails and gives the rest of us something to chuckle at.
 

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Originally posted by: charrison
IF it was done by demolition charges, why did they not make the buildings fall sideways, rather than almost straight down.

I don't question the author's sanity, he has none to question.

A controlled demolition is when the demolition team places the charges is such a manner as to minimize the effect on the surrounding area.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/
 

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I love conspiracy theories. They always contain way too much information that wouldn't even exist in a real situation, and many of their problems are pretty easy to explain. For an example of the former, apparently FDNY people can't discuss strange explosions they heard and felt. Interesting...but if that's true, how do we know they heard and felt them? As for the other issues, there is very little history of this kind of thing happening, so it's pretty hard to say if an idea is implausable or not. The final nail in the coffin is that this guy says the towers were "allegedly" hit by planes. Allegedly?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: charrison
IF it was done by demolition charges, why did they not make the buildings fall sideways, rather than almost straight down.

Not necessarily.

I don't give any credibility to the article, but it is perfectly possible to control the demolition charges in a building so that it doesn't fall in a way you don't want it to.
 

morkinva

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Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family...


Hey, if its true, then surely the truth is gonna hurt. And it has nothing to do with lefties and righties, it has to do with the truth. If it looks like a duck.... <quack>
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: charrison
IF it was done by demolition charges, why did they not make the buildings fall sideways, rather than almost straight down.

Not necessarily.

I don't give any credibility to the article, but it is perfectly possible to control the demolition charges in a building so that it doesn't fall in a way you don't want it to.



My point is that it would have done more damage falling sideways, rather than down.
 

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Originally posted by: bthorny
"To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness? And if we do act, in however small a way, we don?t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvelous victory". Howard Zinn

"David Ray Griffin has done admirable and painstaking research in reviewing the mysteries surrounding the 9-11 attacks. It is the most persuasive argument I have seen for further investigation of the Bush administration's relationship to that historic and troubling event." -- Howard Zinn

 

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I'm sorry but have to say it when I saw the buiding fall they look like was done by demolition professional... ask my self this building is huge, I have seen it with my own eye been there like few time go shopping in mini-mall they have the bottom floors... and I was 10 block away when the building collapse... and I said damn can't believe this building so huge got drop l just like that and smoothly I have seen those demolition show on dicorvery channel and they take alot planning to get those buiding fall perfect without falling over or foward or backawards..

not saying this are facts or truth etc... just something look questionable when you see it for your self.
 

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Conspiracy theories allow us to speculate on the possibility of deception on the grandest scale. We all know what we saw and heard that day, and we all have our own private feelings about what happened. The opinions are mixed, but most of us believe that this was a terrorist attack. It is inconceivable to imagine some sort of huge fraud. There are too many components that must happen with precise clockwork for a scheme this big to unfold.
 

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Originally posted by: mc00
I'm sorry but have to say it when I saw the buiding fall they look like was done by demolition professional... ask my self this building is huge, I have seen it with my own eye been there like few time go shopping in mini-mall they have the bottom floors... and I was 10 block away when the building collapse... and I said damn can't believe this building so huge got drop l just like that and smoothly I have seen those demolition show on dicorvery channel and they take alot planning to get those buiding fall perfect without falling over or foward or backawards..

not saying this are facts or truth etc... just something look questionable when you see it for your self.

I see you are in the bronx, how old are you?

I watched the towers being built.

Take some architectural classes please.
 

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It hasn't been an uncommon theory. I take no responsibility for the credability of the below sources.

WTC architect: Twin towers made to withstand 707 impact

Criticism to website: But not jet fuel.

How the charges could have gotten inside

On day, as the lead consultant engineer was in my lab talking just about "stuff", I asked him, "Sometime in future, in 50 years or so, how are these Twin Towers are going to be taken down as tall as they were going to be and as tight as land is in a crowded city, without causing fast destruction to other buildings?"

He was standing upright. He outstretched his right arm with his palm down. And said, "Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam" as he lowered his hand down one imaginary floor at a time. All the way down to the floor. I knew that we had to certify these commutators to be able to operate continuously for 50 years without service or repair as our part of the contract. He explained that as the buildings are being built, explosive charges are being incorporated into the structures at key floor joint locations. So, that when the first charges are set-off at the top floors, they will take that floor down to the next. And the charges at that floor will take it down to the next floor. This will continue all the way down. The Twin Towers will come straight down like a stack of pancakes. When the buildings get old and no longer useful or profitable to have and maintain, all it will take is a phone call to take them down.
 

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It hasn't been an uncommon theory. I take no responsibility for the credability of the below sources.

WTC architect: Twin towers made to withstand 707 impact

Criticism to website: But not jet fuel.

How the charges could have gotten inside

On day, as the lead consultant engineer was in my lab talking just about "stuff", I asked him, "Sometime in future, in 50 years or so, how are these Twin Towers are going to be taken down as tall as they were going to be and as tight as land is in a crowded city, without causing fast destruction to other buildings?"

He was standing upright. He outstretched his right arm with his palm down. And said, "Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam" as he lowered his hand down one imaginary floor at a time. All the way down to the floor. I knew that we had to certify these commutators to be able to operate continuously for 50 years without service or repair as our part of the contract. He explained that as the buildings are being built, explosive charges are being incorporated into the structures at key floor joint locations. So, that when the first charges are set-off at the top floors, they will take that floor down to the next. And the charges at that floor will take it down to the next floor. This will continue all the way down. The Twin Towers will come straight down like a stack of pancakes. When the buildings get old and no longer useful or profitable to have and maintain, all it will take is a phone call to take them down.

Not uncommon, but all equally preposterous.
 

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What a joke. Controlled demolition involves far more than just setting charges. Buildings are carefully studied and mechanicly weaked at critical points before the first charge is set.

And no building is constructed with demolition charges in place as the one article suggests. Accidental or malicious detonation would be far too great a liability for any builder or insurance company to ever consider.
 

mc00

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I see you are in the bronx, how old are you?

I watched the towers being built.

Take some architectural classes please."

I'm 23 if you get care to know..

I always been amazed how big those buiding were and just found it strange those huge buiding drop so easy I'm not an expert at architectural but have read a book on demolition because I want to know how does people bring down buidings when they want to build a new one.
 

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Originally posted by: mc00
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I see you are in the bronx, how old are you?

I watched the towers being built.

Take some architectural classes please."

I'm 23 if you get care to know..

so what if saw being build and I was been amazed how big those buiding were.

My... my brain... it hurts.
 
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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
It hasn't been an uncommon theory. I take no responsibility for the credability of the below sources.

WTC architect: Twin towers made to withstand 707 impact

Criticism to website: But not jet fuel.

How the charges could have gotten inside

On day, as the lead consultant engineer was in my lab talking just about "stuff", I asked him, "Sometime in future, in 50 years or so, how are these Twin Towers are going to be taken down as tall as they were going to be and as tight as land is in a crowded city, without causing fast destruction to other buildings?"

He was standing upright. He outstretched his right arm with his palm down. And said, "Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam" as he lowered his hand down one imaginary floor at a time. All the way down to the floor. I knew that we had to certify these commutators to be able to operate continuously for 50 years without service or repair as our part of the contract. He explained that as the buildings are being built, explosive charges are being incorporated into the structures at key floor joint locations. So, that when the first charges are set-off at the top floors, they will take that floor down to the next. And the charges at that floor will take it down to the next floor. This will continue all the way down. The Twin Towers will come straight down like a stack of pancakes. When the buildings get old and no longer useful or profitable to have and maintain, all it will take is a phone call to take them down.

Not uncommon, but all equally preposterous.
Very preposterous. I deal with commutators on a regular basis in my line of work. The complete assemblies are commonly known as electrical slip rings. Their purpose is to transfer electrical power and/or control signals from a static device to a rotating device that turns about a common center axis. There is absolutely no slip ring on this planet that operates continuously and without service for 50 years. That's insane. The brushes and commutators both require periodic checks and maintenance, as friction between the brushes and commutators cause wear on each. So this guy is FOS on that point.

In addition, buildings are not built with charges in place. It's nearly impossible to expect an explosive compound to remain effective for the lifespan of a building and to bring it down on command in 70 or 100 years, not to mention the safety issues and code violations involved.

What a bunch of malarkey and pure BS.
 

Tab

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Ahh! Go away! No more conspiracys! Ahh!!!

I just got done playing Splinter Cell!