Forest Service Outraged by Loss of Jobs
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LunarRay
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Well, it does in a way. Even with the amortizement of the 24m over some 'long' period of time, they will hire folks without the benefits and pay scale of the Forest Folks. Of course, they may not be as well trained and all but, is that really all that important to the big picture? Save money and if we occasion a Forest Service need well.. they can always say "No one could have avoided that and we did save money".
Privatization is one of the cornerstones of the loot the govt policy of modern right wingers. It sounds good, but doesn't really work worth a damn, except for the contract recipients and the politicians they support with campaign contributions siphoned off of govt contracts....
It's all based on false promises and illegal pricing practices, begun long ago, particularly in the trash hauling and transit sectors. The initial contracts are, in fact, cheaper, made possible by covering local losses with profits from the larger corporate till. Once the govt infrastructure is gone, the price goes up, way up, because the competitors don't really compete, they merely carve up the market...
It's also profoundly anti-labor. Over lunch, one CEO casuallly mentions that he's having union problems in Milwaukee, another agrees that he has the same in Atlanta... Somehow, automagically, the competitors switch contracts on the next set of bids, leaving unionization efforts high and dry...
And you end up with some very interesting scenarios, particularly in the forestry business, where one timber giant oversees the activities of another in Idaho, with their roles reversed in Washington... absolutely no conflict of interest, though, according to the privatization advocates...
Just part of the Neocon rush to rape America before she even knows her panties are down...
It's all based on false promises and illegal pricing practices, begun long ago, particularly in the trash hauling and transit sectors. The initial contracts are, in fact, cheaper, made possible by covering local losses with profits from the larger corporate till. Once the govt infrastructure is gone, the price goes up, way up, because the competitors don't really compete, they merely carve up the market...
It's also profoundly anti-labor. Over lunch, one CEO casuallly mentions that he's having union problems in Milwaukee, another agrees that he has the same in Atlanta... Somehow, automagically, the competitors switch contracts on the next set of bids, leaving unionization efforts high and dry...
And you end up with some very interesting scenarios, particularly in the forestry business, where one timber giant oversees the activities of another in Idaho, with their roles reversed in Washington... absolutely no conflict of interest, though, according to the privatization advocates...
Just part of the Neocon rush to rape America before she even knows her panties are down...
So it's your contention that privatization is a right wingers invention and program. Who was outsourcing all those functions at the Pentagon from 92-2000. Clintons Republican admin.?
Funny I seem to to remember goverment contractors, for things like maintenance and security guards, switching every couple of years while I was in Kings Bay. Always to the lowest bidder at contract time which, according to the GAO, was still cheaper than GS employees doing it.
I missed how this has anything to do with outsourcing.
Again I'll ask, "How exactly is this a "neocon" issue?" Plenty of non-neocons pushing this issue. See Clinton Pentagon.
I agree it is all Clinton's fault. His legasy will last at least another 50 years. The only thing is he is really a republican calling himself a democrat, just like the Demo senator from Nebraska. And of course that pork barrelling politican from Iowa, Sen. Grassley.
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I wasn't blaming (or giving credit to) Clinton for anything. Just trying to debunk this idea that outsourcing, while probably thought up by smaller goverment conservatives, is not a "neocon" program nor their exclusive domain.
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NeoCon is just another term for recycled Reaganite- six of one, half-dozen of the other. Clinton was under a great deal of pressure to allegedly downsize govt, so he compromised in a lot of areas.
It figures. The war against organized labor is ongoing, short term contracting is just part of it. Part of the WalMartization of America, where everybody works more for less, except the elite... Yeh, everything's cheaper, except housing, energy, healthcare and food- you know, the stuff that really matters...
Much of the Federal Bureaucracy is charged with protecting our shared resources, along with our health and safety. Maybe we should privatize Law Enforcement and the SEC, too, see what kind of job we'll get when the contractors are more interested in cutting corners, showing a profit, paying off friendly politicians than in actual performance of their duties...
Imagine how far you'll get when the Social Security Administration contract has changed hands six times, and your records have been lost/scrambled in the process, or when the EPA is actually run by the corporations they're charged to oversee...
It figures. The war against organized labor is ongoing, short term contracting is just part of it. Part of the WalMartization of America, where everybody works more for less, except the elite... Yeh, everything's cheaper, except housing, energy, healthcare and food- you know, the stuff that really matters...
Much of the Federal Bureaucracy is charged with protecting our shared resources, along with our health and safety. Maybe we should privatize Law Enforcement and the SEC, too, see what kind of job we'll get when the contractors are more interested in cutting corners, showing a profit, paying off friendly politicians than in actual performance of their duties...
Imagine how far you'll get when the Social Security Administration contract has changed hands six times, and your records have been lost/scrambled in the process, or when the EPA is actually run by the corporations they're charged to oversee...
Ahh. Your usual socialist mantra of "it's just a ploy against organized labor" and "the goverment can do it better". Sorry, not buying it nor your ridiculously extreme examples. No one is talking about outsourcing law enforcement, the SEC or the SSA however many things should be and are being looked at. If they can be done cheaper, with no loss of service, they should be.
The whole point, of course, is that most anybody's job can be done cheaper with no perceived loss of service- for awhile, anyway. yours, mine, The president's, for that matter. Maybe we should just solicit bids for Congress, whoever will do it the cheapest gets to be Senator. We, uhh, wouldn't want that to apply to the jobs at the top, now would we? Heck of a way for corporate America to save money- list the qualifications for CEO, slots on the BOD, put it out for bids...
Didn't think so.
Didn't think so.
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