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The Godfather

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I live in Georgia, and we bought a house a few years back. It was brand new, just built, in a nice subdivision. We got a loan for closely $155,000.. but now we are very much in debt, and we want to get rid of the house (which is currently valued at $110,000). If we put it up for foreclosure, how much will the credit score be hurt, and will we still have to pay that $50,000 value difference later on (happened to us when we returned a GMC box truck for work we weren't able to pay due to the lack of work in transport since the high $5 a gallon gas prices back when), or is there loan re negotiations? Also will we be able to get another loan for a cheaper house or apartment?

Any good advice on what to do, or any things that we aren't aware of may help us a lot.
Thank you.

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This is not legal advice, I am not an attorney


Bottom line, bank wants you to keep paying,so they will offer you many options before foreclosure happens.


Here are some possible options typically offered

1. If you have a job, try to work out a repayment plan for your arrears. You can either try to repay the amount owed on top of your current mortgage payment or you can try and throw the total arrears onto the principal balance (called a loan modification.
Typically banks usually require you to submit a packet of documentation explaining why you fell behind, and how you can pay them back. Sometimes you can negotiate a lower int. rate.

2. Sell your house, in this case, $110,000.00, and continue to pay the bank the remaining $45,000.00 owed back to them. You could probably easily refinance the $45,000 into a low rate and low pmt amount with same bank or some other bank. If you fail to pay the $45,000.00, it won't just "disappear" unless you try to remove it or pay it out through bankruptcy. A Chapter 7 Bankruptcy case should try to remove all debt owed by liquidating all of your assets, so once finished, you are a clean slate. Chapter 13 Bankruptcy would try to get you to get on a 30-60 month plan to repay all your creditors owed. Because of the new bankruptcy laws, it is much harder to get into a Ch. 7

3. You stop making payments to your bank but you continue living in the house. Eventually bank will send your property through foreclosure and you will typically be kicked to the curb, and still owe back the $45,000.00. This is a HUGE credit failure and I'm not familiar with how long it takes to remove.


edit: Also, if you are good at negotiating, try to offer them a deal but in return you want late fees/ misc. late pmt charges waived from your account because it is "absolutely necessary to keep pmts ongoing this point forward"

also , I am not that familiar with foreclosure as I am with other areas in these situations but sometimes you can opt to do agree to go through foreclosure and ask your bank to not hurt your credit "foreclosure sale in lieu "

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If your bank sells your house through foreclosure, it is sold for pennies on the dollar and bank typically just buys the home back, and then will send it to a realtor to be put on the market.

If you sell your house yourself, you can likely get much more $ back to repay that total debt.


Seriously, just call your banks loss mitigation dept. (I know they really suck sometimes) and see if you can work something out. If this all fails, go see an reputable private attorney who handles foreclosure/bankruptcy cases. I believe they can do the negotiating for you and may be able to throw more weight around

 

KLin

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Why not try some more shoplifting to supplement your income?
 

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I am not an attorney, and i am not familiar with your state laws.

Is this your first loan? The way it works in California is that bank can't go after you personally if it's only you first loan. The only thing they can take is the house and that is it. yes your credit score will suffer, not sure how bad but it will suffer for sure. If you are unwilling to continue to pay for the house and don't want to refinance, you can try to do short sale. A shortsale is basically when you sell the house for less than what you owe to the bank and bank agrees to accept it. Please note that in some states, bank will issue you 1099 for the remaining and you will be force to pay taxes on it.

If you stop paying, bank will initiate foreclosure procedure and will eventually force you out of the house. It's a process that takes months. While foreclosure is in progress, you still own the house and can sell every single piece of it, you can destroy it etc.
 

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"The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and Debt Cancellation

If you owe a debt to someone else and they cancel or forgive that debt, the canceled amount may be taxable.

The Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007 generally allows taxpayers to exclude income from the discharge of debt on their principal residence. Debt reduced through mortgage restructuring, as well as mortgage debt forgiven in connection with a foreclosure, qualifies for the relief.

This provision applies to debt forgiven in calendar years 2007 through 2012. Up to $2 million of forgiven debt is eligible for this exclusion ($1 million if married filing separately). The exclusion does not apply if the discharge is due to services performed for the lender or any other reason not directly related to a decline in the home?s value or the taxpayer?s financial condition.

More information, including detailed examples can be found in Publication 4681, Canceled Debts, Foreclosures, Repossessions, and Abandonments. Also see IRS news release IR-2008-17.

The following are the most commonly asked questions and answers about The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act and debt cancellation:

What is Cancellation of Debt?
If you borrow money from a commercial lender and the lender later cancels or forgives the debt, you may have to include the cancelled amount in income for tax purposes, depending on the circumstances. When you borrowed the money you were not required to include the loan proceeds in income because you had an obligation to repay the lender. When that obligation is subsequently forgiven, the amount you received as loan proceeds is normally reportable as income because you no longer have an obligation to repay the lender. The lender is usually required to report the amount of the canceled debt to you and the IRS on a Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt.

Here?s a very simplified example. You borrow $10,000 and default on the loan after paying back $2,000. If the lender is unable to collect the remaining debt from you, there is a cancellation of debt of $8,000, which generally is taxable income to you.

Is Cancellation of Debt income always taxable?
Not always. There are some exceptions. The most common situations when cancellation of debt income is not taxable involve:

Qualified principal residence indebtedness: This is the exception created by the Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007 and applies to most homeowners.
Bankruptcy: Debts discharged through bankruptcy are not considered taxable income.
Insolvency: If you are insolvent when the debt is cancelled, some or all of the cancelled debt may not be taxable to you. You are insolvent when your total debts are more than the fair market value of your total assets.
Certain farm debts: If you incurred the debt directly in operation of a farm, more than half your income from the prior three years was from farming, and the loan was owed to a person or agency regularly engaged in lending, your cancelled debt is generally not considered taxable income.
Non-recourse loans: A non-recourse loan is a loan for which the lender?s only remedy in case of default is to repossess the property being financed or used as collateral. That is, the lender cannot pursue you personally in case of default. Forgiveness of a non-recourse loan resulting from a foreclosure does not result in cancellation of debt income. However, it may result in other tax consequences.
These exceptions are discussed in detail in Publication 4681.

What is the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007?
The Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act of 2007 was enacted on December 20, 2007 (see News Release IR-2008-17). Generally, the Act allows exclusion of income realized as a result of modification of the terms of the mortgage, or foreclosure on your principal residence.

What does exclusion of income mean?
Normally, debt that is forgiven or cancelled by a lender must be included as income on your tax return and is taxable. But the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act allows you to exclude certain cancelled debt on your principal residence from income. Debt reduced through mortgage restructuring, as well as mortgage debt forgiven in connection with a foreclosure, qualifies for the relief.

Does the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act apply to all forgiven or cancelled debts?
No. The Act applies only to forgiven or cancelled debt used to buy, build or substantially improve your principal residence, or to refinance debt incurred for those purposes. In addition, the debt must be secured by the home. This is known as qualified principal residence indebtedness. The maximum amount you can treat as qualified principal residence indebtedness is $2 million or $1 million if married filing
separately.

Does the Mortgage Forgiveness Debt Relief Act apply to debt incurred to refinance a home?
Debt used to refinance your home qualifies for this exclusion, but only to the extent that the principal balance of the old mortgage, immediately before the refinancing, would have qualified. For more information, including an example, see Publication 4681.

How long is this special relief in effect?
It applies to qualified principal residence indebtedness forgiven in calendar years 2007 through 2012.

Is there a limit on the amount of forgiven qualified principal residence indebtedness that can be excluded from income?
There is no dollar limit if the principal balance of the loan was less than $2 million ($1 million if married filing separately for the tax year) at the time the loan was forgiven. If the balance was greater, see the instructions to Form 982 and the detailed example in Publication 4681.

If the forgiven debt is excluded from income, do I have to report it on my tax return?
Yes. The amount of debt forgiven must be reported on Form 982 and this form must be attached to your tax return.

Do I have to complete the entire Form 982?
No. Form 982, Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness (and Section 1082 Adjustment), is used for other purposes in addition to reporting the exclusion of forgiveness of qualified principal residence indebtedness. If you are using the form only to report the exclusion of forgiveness of qualified principal residence indebtedness as the result of foreclosure on your principal residence, you only need to complete lines 1e and 2. If you kept ownership of your home and modification of the terms of your mortgage resulted in the forgiveness of qualified principal residence indebtedness, complete lines 1e, 2, and 10b. Attach the Form 982 to your tax return.

Where can I get this form?
If you use a computer to fill out your return, check your tax-preparation software. You can also download the form at IRS.gov, or call 1-800-829-3676. If you call to order, please allow 7-10 days for delivery.

How do I know or find out how much debt was forgiven?
Your lender should send a Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt, by February 2, 2009. The amount of debt forgiven or cancelled will be shown in box 2. If this debt is all qualified principal residence indebtedness, the amount shown in box 2 will generally be the amount that you enter on lines 2 and 10b, if applicable, on Form 982.

Can I exclude debt forgiven on my second home, credit card or car loans?
Not under this provision. Only cancelled debt used to buy, build or improve your principal residence or refinance debt incurred for those purposes qualifies for this exclusion. See Publication 4681 for further details.

If part of the forgiven debt doesn't qualify for exclusion from income under this provision, is it possible that it may qualify for exclusion under a different provision?
Yes. The forgiven debt may qualify under the insolvency exclusion. Normally, you are not required to include forgiven debts in income to the extent that you are insolvent. You are insolvent when your total liabilities exceed your total assets. The forgiven debt may also qualify for exclusion if the debt was discharged in a Title 11 bankruptcy proceeding or if the debt is qualified farm indebtedness or qualified real property business indebtedness. If you believe you qualify for any of these exceptions, see the instructions for Form 982. Publication 4681 discusses each of these exceptions and includes examples.

I lost money on the foreclosure of my home. Can I claim a loss on my tax return?
No. Losses from the sale or foreclosure of personal property are not deductible.

If I sold my home at a loss and the remaining loan is forgiven, does this constitute a cancellation of debt?
Yes. To the extent that a loan from a lender is not fully satisfied and a lender cancels the unsatisfied debt, you have cancellation of indebtedness income. If the amount forgiven or canceled is $600 or more, the lender must generally issue Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt, showing the amount of debt canceled. However, you may be able to exclude part or all of this income if the debt was qualified principal residence indebtedness, you were insolvent immediately before the discharge, or if the debt was canceled in a title 11 bankruptcy case. An exclusion is also available for the cancellation of certain nonbusiness debts of a qualified individual as a result of a disaster in a Midwestern disaster area. See Form 982 for details.

If the remaining balance owed on my mortgage loan that I was personally liable for was canceled after my foreclosure, may I still exclude the canceled debt from income under the qualified principal residence exclusion, even though I no longer own my residence?
Yes, as long as the canceled debt was qualified principal residence indebtedness. See Example 2 on page 13 of Publication 4681, Canceled Debts, Foreclosures, Repossessions, and Abandonments.

Will I receive notification of cancellation of debt from my lender?
Yes. Lenders are required to send Form 1099-C, Cancellation of Debt, when they cancel any debt of $600 or more. The amount cancelled will be in box 2 of the form.

What if I disagree with the amount in box 2?
Contact your lender to work out any discrepancies and have the lender issue a corrected Form 1099-C.

How do I report the forgiveness of debt that is excluded from gross income?
(1) Check the appropriate box under line 1 on Form 982, Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness (and Section 1082 Basis Adjustment) to indicate the type of discharge of indebtedness and enter the amount of the discharged debt excluded from gross income on line 2. Any remaining canceled debt must be included as income on your tax return.

(2) File Form 982 with your tax return.

My student loan was cancelled; will this result in taxable income?
In some cases, yes. Your student loan cancellation will not result in taxable income if you agreed to a loan provision requiring you to work in a certain profession for a specified period of time, and you fulfilled this obligation.

Are there other conditions I should know about to exclude the cancellation of student debt?
Yes, your student loan must have been made by:

(a) the federal government, or a state or local government or subdivision;

(b) a tax-exempt public benefit corporation which has control of a state, county or municipal hospital where the employees are considered public employees; or

(c) a school which has a program to encourage students to work in underserved occupations or areas, and has an agreement with one of the above to fund the program, under the direction of a governmental unit or a charitable or educational organization.

Can I exclude cancellation of credit card debt?
In some cases, yes. Nonbusiness credit card debt cancellation can be excluded from income if the cancellation occurred in a title 11 bankruptcy case, or to the extent you were insolvent just before the cancellation. See the examples in Publication 4681.

How do I know if I was insolvent?
You are insolvent when your total debts exceed the total fair market value of all of your assets. Assets include everything you own, e.g., your car, house, condominium, furniture, life insurance policies, stocks, other investments, or your pension and other retirement accounts.

How should I report the information and items needed to prove insolvency?
Use Form 982, Reduction of Tax Attributes Due to Discharge of Indebtedness (and Section 1082 Basis Adjustment) to exclude canceled debt from income to the extent you were insolvent immediately before the cancellation. You were insolvent to the extent that your liabilities exceeded the fair market value of your assets immediately before the cancellation.

To claim this exclusion, you must attach Form 982 to your federal income tax return. Check box 1b on Form 982, and, on line 2, include the smaller of the amount of the debt canceled or the amount by which you were insolvent immediately prior to the cancellation. You must also reduce your tax attributes in Part II of Form 982.

My car was repossessed and I received a 1099-C; can I exclude this amount on my tax return?
Only if the cancellation happened in a title 11 bankruptcy case, or to the extent you were insolvent just before the cancellation. See Publication 4681 for examples.

Are there any publications I can read for more information?
Yes.
(1) Publication 4681, Canceled Debts, Foreclosures, Repossessions, and Abandonments (for Individuals) is new and addresses in a single document the tax consequences of cancellation of debt issues."
 

mozirry

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Originally posted by: looker001
I am not an attorney, and i am not familiar with your state laws.

Is this your first loan? The way it works in California is that bank can't go after you personally if it's only you first loan. The only thing they can take is the house and that is it. yes your credit score will suffer, not sure how bad but it will suffer for sure. If you are unwilling to continue to pay for the house and don't want to refinance, you can try to do short sale. A shortsale is basically when you sell the house for less than what you owe to the bank and bank agrees to accept it. Please note that in some states, bank will issue you 1099 for the remaining and you will be force to pay taxes on it.

If you stop paying, bank will initiate foreclosure procedure and will eventually force you out of the house. It's a process that takes months. While foreclosure is in progress, you still own the house and can sell every single piece of it, you can destroy it etc.

yeah, good luck with OP trying to get a shortsale that is short almost 50k

but in what looker is saying, states can vary drastically with what their laws are.


You need to see an attorney
 

MovingTarget

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I would say that foreclosure is pretty short-sighted in this case. You would end up taking a pretty big hit on your credit, and then you will be needing a new home. If you can wait out this recession, then you will be fine. Property rarely decreases in value over the long run. It will be back above $110k probably ini 1-2 yr if we have seen the bottom of this bubble-burst.
 

mozirry

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I would say that foreclosure is pretty short-sighted in this case. You would end up taking a pretty big hit on your credit, and then you will be needing a new home. If you can wait out this recession, then you will be fine. Property rarely decreases in value over the long run. It will be back above $110k probably ini 1-2 yr if we have seen the bottom of this bubble-burst.

I agree

My house i bought in 2002 was worth $150k and i could maybe sell it for $130 now if I'm lucky. Wait a few years and I can easily sell it back for $150

 

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Originally posted by: mozirry
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I would say that foreclosure is pretty short-sighted in this case. You would end up taking a pretty big hit on your credit, and then you will be needing a new home. If you can wait out this recession, then you will be fine. Property rarely decreases in value over the long run. It will be back above $110k probably ini 1-2 yr if we have seen the bottom of this bubble-burst.

I agree

My house i bought in 2002 was worth $150k and i could maybe sell it for $130 now if I'm lucky. Wait a few years and I can easily sell it back for $150

Yep, and you still have the house you bought that you felt was worth $150k. It doesn't matter what others say it's worth if you're planning on staying.
 

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Just a for what it's worth, and I'm no expert on the situation, but I believe that a foreclosure is worse for you than a bankruptcy. After a bankruptcy, you can still get a secured loan for a home. However, my tenant is in a position where she'd love to purchase a house, but after a divorce, her husband lost the house which still had her name on it. End result: banks won't touch her for a home loan - and that was during the time a couple years ago when someone earning minimum wage could get a loan for a 300k house.
 

FelixDeCat

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Bankruptcy will solve your problems. Hand over the keys risk free. Your credit score is the least of your worries right now. If you cant do 7, do 13. Its totally worth it.
 

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It's a tough economy out there. Speaking from my own experiences of having gone through foreclosure filing and bankruptcy. There are brighter days ahead. The problem is :\the current administrations:thumbsdown: open attacks on the private sector and demonizing the oil and natural gases industry. Instead of focusing on what the majority of Americans don't want, :rolleyes:this administration:eek: needs to focus on job creation, board security, and lowering taxes. If only he was half the man of Reagan. It's easy, it's Reaganomics:thumbsup: baby!

My spam-o-meter just went nuts...
 
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Just a for what it's worth, and I'm no expert on the situation, but I believe that a foreclosure is worse for you than a bankruptcy. After a bankruptcy, you can still get a secured loan for a home. However, my tenant is in a position where she'd love to purchase a house, but after a divorce, her husband lost the house which still had her name on it. End result: banks won't touch her for a home loan - and that was during the time a couple years ago when someone earning minimum wage could get a loan for a 300k house.
Pics of tenant?
 

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You have a lot of options available. Having a foreclosure on your credit record is the worst among the many other alternatives available to you. I work for a "foreclosure prevention" law firm, so I am pretty knowledgeable when it comes to this sort of thing. It all depends on if you want to keep or get rid of the house.

If you want, PM me and I'll give you whatever advice I can give.
 
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