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Ford tarnished Jaguar's name

You are kidding right?
Ford helped bring Jaguar's reliabilty at least up to par.
I think the old saying goes, If you want a Jaguar you need two. One to drive while the other is in the shop.

However, trying to pass off a warmed over Mondeo as a Jaguar was a bad move.
 
Jaguar was crap before Ford got to it, since Ford acquired Jaguar, quality and reliability has improved dramatically.

It's a fact that when Ford acquired Jaguar, the best built Jag XJ was sent from the factory floor to Ford corporate offices for testing. It had 5x as many build problems as the average Ford Taurus. There are documented cases where old XJs were 1/4 of an inch longer on one side than the other. After ford acquired the brand, reliability and build quality has gone nowhere but up.

It's nice how quickly people forget exactly the good things a company has done and just bash.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos...ity-study/346679/full/
Also notice how Mercury, a Ford divison is at #4 in long term reliability, right above Honda.
Lincoln is above Suburu and Jaguar is better than beloved Acura?


<- All this is coming from a self proclaimed Toyota/Lexus fanboy(I have never lived my life without owing at least 1 Toyota/Lexus at any given time). Try to give credit where it's due. I'm just so tired of this bashing bullshit.

Edited since I came off a bit harsh.
 
Yup, Jaguar's overall reliability increased by many orders of magnitude after Ford bought it. Jaguar was in HUGE trouble when Ford bought it and the fact that Jaguar is even still in business is a small miracle. Ford's getting out of Jaguar because the luxury market wasn't where they needed to be, at least not with Jaguar. Ford has recognised the need to focus on their three core brands, Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury. They have the ability to bring Lincoln back up to challenge Lexus and BMW, it's just a case of having management make the right decisions. This is a step in the right direction.

Yet another case of the OP leaving his mouth running while his brain was out to lunch. This is getting ridiculous.

ZV
 
Haha before I even entered this thread I was thinking to myself "I'm pretty sure Jaguar ruined Jaguar's name"
 
the only thing ford did to tarnish jag was releasing a warmed-over mondeo as a jag. ford picked the right problem to solve at the start: jag's quality. problem is, after that was fixed ford had no clue what to do next.

jag needed 5 year product cycles and a top to bottom line up. it had neither.

ford let the s-type go from competitive to ancient (1998-2007). the xj was already old when ford bought jag, and it continued on (while ford fixed the quality issues) for another decade (1986-2001). the xk was redesigned shortly after ford bought jag, but also went a decade (1996-2005). you can't compete in the luxury market (or any other market, really) if your cars age double digits before they're remade. and now the XF (s-type replacement) is supposed to be on a modified s-type chassis? i don't know if that's a recipe for success (though the XF is hot).

additionally, it's hard to sell cars when the cheapest real jag competes with the 5 series and e-class. and because the s-type is so old, their only competitive product offering is the XJ, an S-class, 7 series, and LS competitor. you can't become a 200,000 car per year brand when you're only competing in the $80,000+ market. it also doesn't help that jag has been using the same engines for the last decade (though with minor updates, the AJ-V8 isn't a bad engine but without the blower it isn't up to par against the LS460)
 
Ford's other problem was not modernizing Jaguar. Unless you're 80 years old, nobody cares for the old-style.
 
Originally posted by: Narmer
Ford's other problem was not modernizing Jaguar. Unless you're 80 years old, nobody cares for the old-style.

FWIW, I'm 25 and find most Jaguars to be vastly better looking than the sh*t that is coming out of Japan this past decade. Sure the Japanese cars are reliable and decently fun to drive, but the styling is hideous.

ZV
 
Ford made the Jags reliable but the quality, not so much. I loved my family's pre-Ford xK. Talk about fun and beautiful.
 
That's one of the most rediculous statements I've ever heard. Jaguar was CRAP when Ford got it and it is a considerably better product now than it has been in many, many years. They have fallen behind the curve in their high volume cars (S-Type, X-Type) with styling that appeals to an older audience. The quicker they get the X-F concept out and into the public's hands...the better. If it is anything close to what it looks like...they'll have a winner on its hand. People still think highly of the Jaguar name...but they don't have products that appeal to many. Give the masses a product they want..and they'll be all over the name once again.
 
I dont understand that survey, they take 100 of each car and then see how many problems come up with that 100??
how is 100 cars enough to determine if the car is reliable or not??

anyway jags r fugly and drive like crap!!
 
Originally posted by: CtK
I dont understand that survey, they take 100 of each car and then see how many problems come up with that 100??
how is 100 cars enough to determine if the car is reliable or not??

anyway jags r fugly and drive like crap!!

you're kidding right?

They surveyed something like 50thousand to 60thousand cars a year and then display the results as the average number of problems per 100 cars.
 
Mainstream media rags are so predictable when it comes to bashing domestic car companies. If it wasn't for Ford, Jaguar would be out of business like Rover. Ford is way more reliable than Jaguar could ever dream to be on their own.
One problem with Ford's ownership of Jaguar is that Ford is mostly in the FWD car business, so it could never quite benefit from the platform sharing things with Jaguar, which needs to make RWD cars to be taken seriously. Although now Ford has some good RWD platforms to use, but mostly in smaller cars. I'd love a small Jaguar based on the RX-8 platform. MX-5 was originally made to imitate old British roadsters, but Jaguar has yet to build a roadster based on the MX-5 themselves. It could be a huge hit for them like Boxster was for Porsche. Also, I view reduced volumes at Jaguar as a GOOD thing. They need to be a smaller niche high end brand, not a volume seller they've been trying to be, which watered down their brand. Styling is also an issue, but that is being rectified. I think Ford could actually make Jaguar work at this point.

 
yeah the latest XK is just junk 😉

I think Ford helped save the make actually. In the beginning they had some issues (like going with square halogens instead of the jag's trademark dual round lights up front).

The latest Jag's are beautiful and surprisingly performance oriented.
 
:laugh:

Jaguar had little reputation to begin with, at least here in the states.. IMO.
 
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