Ford F-150 vs Toyota Tundra
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Kind of hard to really judge much from that. The ford for sure had open diffs front and rear and tires play a big part in something like that.
Toastedlightly
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Looked like the ford just never had traction.. and based upon the things darkwolf said.. most likely rigged.
I don't like the ford commercials. They are soo stupid. They had this one commercial with the guy from dirty jobs there. They had the leaf spring bolts from the Ford F-150 and other trucks like the Nissan, Toyota etc.... They were showing how the bolts from the F-150 were the thickest of all other manufactures thus making the vehicle stronger LMAO. I guess the audience ford were targeting for that ad was the white trash and bible thumpers of America. When do the leaf spring bolts in a truck ever fail. Anybody who has any basic education or eng knowledge would automatically smell bull shit.
Dr. Detroit
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Wrong!
What you fail to realize is that most people can not identify with a larger leafspring as they have never seen one before, but they know what a bolt is. And guess what, a large bolt must mean that the truck is built bigger as everyone knows you don't need a large bolt for a small weak leafspring.
marketing 101 for ya!
Plus the F150 is Ford's light duty truck, if you need heavy duty parts for the ultimate towing/hauling you buy a F250+.
Tundra drivers are Soccer Mom's and suburbanites.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Fmr12B
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I don't like the ford commercials. They are soo stupid. They had this one commercial with the guy from dirty jobs there. They had the leaf spring bolts from the Ford F-150 and other trucks like the Nissan, Toyota etc.... They were showing how the bolts from the F-150 were the thickest of all other manufactures thus making the vehicle stronger LMAO. I guess the audience ford were targeting for that ad was the white trash and bible thumpers of America. When do the leaf spring bolts in a truck ever fail. Anybody who has any basic education or eng knowledge would automatically smell bull shit.</end quote></div>
Wrong!
What you fail to realize is that most people can not identify with a larger leafspring as they have never seen one before, but they know what a bolt is. And guess what, a large bolt must mean that the truck is built bigger as everyone knows you don't need a large bolt for a small weak leafspring.
marketing 101 for ya!
Plus the F150 is Ford's light duty truck, if you need heavy duty parts for the ultimate towing/hauling you buy a F250+.
Tundra drivers are Soccer Mom's and suburbanites.
</end quote></div>
If you watched the ad they referred directly about leaf spring bolts and gave the audience the perspective as.......
Bigger bolts ===== Stronger more dependable vehicle
Bullshit......
Materials can also be made smaller but stonger. For example Nissan could be using alloys for their bolts that make them as stong as Fords bolts. But they are not going to say this of course.
They are not tailoring these ads for auto mechanics. The uninformed/uneducated person is the best to sell anything to.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I don't like the ford commercials. They are soo stupid. They had this one commercial with the guy from dirty jobs there. They had the leaf spring bolts from the Ford F-150 and other trucks like the Nissan, Toyota etc.... They were showing how the bolts from the F-150 were the thickest of all other manufactures thus making the vehicle stronger LMAO. I guess the audience ford were targeting for that ad was the white trash and bible thumpers of America. When do the leaf spring bolts in a truck ever fail. Anybody who has any basic education or eng knowledge would automatically smell bull shit.</end quote></div>
Wrong!
What you fail to realize is that most people can not identify with a larger leafspring as they have never seen one before, but they know what a bolt is. And guess what, a large bolt must mean that the truck is built bigger as everyone knows you don't need a large bolt for a small weak leafspring.
marketing 101 for ya!
Plus the F150 is Ford's light duty truck, if you need heavy duty parts for the ultimate towing/hauling you buy a F250+.
Tundra drivers are Soccer Mom's and suburbanites.
</end quote></div>
If you watched the ad they referred directly about leaf spring bolts and gave the audience the perspective as.......
Bigger bolts ===== Stronger more dependable vehicle
Bullshit......
Materials can also be made smaller but stonger. For example Nissan could be using alloys for their bolts that make them as stong as Fords bolts. But they are not going to say this of course.
They are not tailoring these ads for auto mechanics. The uninformed/uneducated person is the best to sell anything to.
Silver Creek: Where Ford Tortures Its Trucks and the Competition's
By: Mike LevinePosted: 06-23-07 14:21 PT
If General Motors has one of the slickest surfaces on Earth for testing vehicles, than Ford Motor Company must have one of the roughest.
At Ford's Arizona Proving Ground (APG), its F-Series pickups are driven over 50 miles of torturous terrain specifically developed to shake, twist, rattle and batter the trucks.
One of the test tracks is called 'Silver Creek'. It was described in a Ford press release late last year as the following:
"Silver Creek combines two extremely rough roads. One section of the route has 15 distinct types of chuck holes while the other is made from broken pieces of concrete."
According to Charlie Tegarden, Ford durability engineering supervisor, "Silver Creek is foot-for-foot the roughest man-made durability test road in the world."
Ford recently showed us video of a 2007 Ford F-150 running Silver Creek, along with comparative footage of the 2007 Chevrolet Silverado and 2007 Toyota Tundra over the same course. All are four wheel drive.
The movies are dramatic. The first (above) shows each truck serially. The second (below) shows them in parallel. Each truck enters Silver Creek at 28 miles per hour - near the upper boundary for maintaining control. Pay close attention to the driver's hands on the steering wheel when the camera pans to the cab as the rapid fire torsional forces expose any weakness in suspensions, frames, and body components.
The F-150, now three model years old, seems to do best overall. It's followed closely by the Silverado.
Both the F-150 and Silverado have fully boxed frames that are more resistant to twist than the Toyota's partially-boxed C-channel chassis. The F-150's advantage versus Silverado appears to come from rear shocks that are mounted outboard from the frame rails - a setup that provides better leverage against axle movement than the Silverado's inboard mounted shocks. The result is much more jounce seen in the Chevy's rear axle. Front suspension performance appears to be in favor of the Silverado's new independent coil spring setup but the Chevy suffers cosmetically as its fuel filler door opens and shuts from all the bouncing.
Bed movements in the F-150 and Silverado are relatively limited though, compared to what's seen in the Tundra. The rear of the Tundra's cargo box flexes and twists violently as the front gouges the back of the cab. There are portions of Silver Creek where the frequency of severe bumps causes an especially large degree of torsional resonance to show in the bed's sides.
So how does the unrealistic surface of Silver Creek relate to what these trucks might encounter in the real world? At some point in time almost every pickup is going to be overloaded or stressed past its operating limits, even if it's only for a few seconds. Its engineering for these types of events that make for really tough trucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture%2Dtest%2Dtrack%2F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgzdBn4gMA&NR=1
By: Mike LevinePosted: 06-23-07 14:21 PT
If General Motors has one of the slickest surfaces on Earth for testing vehicles, than Ford Motor Company must have one of the roughest.
At Ford's Arizona Proving Ground (APG), its F-Series pickups are driven over 50 miles of torturous terrain specifically developed to shake, twist, rattle and batter the trucks.
One of the test tracks is called 'Silver Creek'. It was described in a Ford press release late last year as the following:
"Silver Creek combines two extremely rough roads. One section of the route has 15 distinct types of chuck holes while the other is made from broken pieces of concrete."
According to Charlie Tegarden, Ford durability engineering supervisor, "Silver Creek is foot-for-foot the roughest man-made durability test road in the world."
Ford recently showed us video of a 2007 Ford F-150 running Silver Creek, along with comparative footage of the 2007 Chevrolet Silverado and 2007 Toyota Tundra over the same course. All are four wheel drive.
The movies are dramatic. The first (above) shows each truck serially. The second (below) shows them in parallel. Each truck enters Silver Creek at 28 miles per hour - near the upper boundary for maintaining control. Pay close attention to the driver's hands on the steering wheel when the camera pans to the cab as the rapid fire torsional forces expose any weakness in suspensions, frames, and body components.
The F-150, now three model years old, seems to do best overall. It's followed closely by the Silverado.
Both the F-150 and Silverado have fully boxed frames that are more resistant to twist than the Toyota's partially-boxed C-channel chassis. The F-150's advantage versus Silverado appears to come from rear shocks that are mounted outboard from the frame rails - a setup that provides better leverage against axle movement than the Silverado's inboard mounted shocks. The result is much more jounce seen in the Chevy's rear axle. Front suspension performance appears to be in favor of the Silverado's new independent coil spring setup but the Chevy suffers cosmetically as its fuel filler door opens and shuts from all the bouncing.
Bed movements in the F-150 and Silverado are relatively limited though, compared to what's seen in the Tundra. The rear of the Tundra's cargo box flexes and twists violently as the front gouges the back of the cab. There are portions of Silver Creek where the frequency of severe bumps causes an especially large degree of torsional resonance to show in the bed's sides.
So how does the unrealistic surface of Silver Creek relate to what these trucks might encounter in the real world? At some point in time almost every pickup is going to be overloaded or stressed past its operating limits, even if it's only for a few seconds. Its engineering for these types of events that make for really tough trucks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture%2Dtest%2Dtrack%2F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUgzdBn4gMA&NR=1
2 unmistakeable facts about that bull s#@t pulling contest:
1. The Ford had open differentials, the Toyota did not.
2. The Ford was in 4 Hi, the Toyota was in 4 Lo.
You can't spin the tires hard enough to smoke them that badly in 4 Lo. Not that quickly, anyway.
Hook that pile of crap up to my Suburban or my Tahoe and I'll drag it's ass backwards as fast as I feel like going.
And use an F-150 with an limited-slip differential, and put it in 4 Lo, and it's a different story. Then it's really more about what size tires you have and which truck is heavier.
1. The Ford had open differentials, the Toyota did not.
2. The Ford was in 4 Hi, the Toyota was in 4 Lo.
You can't spin the tires hard enough to smoke them that badly in 4 Lo. Not that quickly, anyway.
Hook that pile of crap up to my Suburban or my Tahoe and I'll drag it's ass backwards as fast as I feel like going.
And use an F-150 with an limited-slip differential, and put it in 4 Lo, and it's a different story. Then it's really more about what size tires you have and which truck is heavier.
Zenmervolt
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No-one targets ads at mechanics, it's far too small of a demographic.
I'm amazed that you haven't bought one in that case. And if you want BS ads, look no further than Nissan's blatant lie about the Titan's fender compartment. They touted that as a "first of its kind innovation". Must have been damn futuristic when Ford had the exact same thing in the 1970's.
ZV
If that was true you are saying Ford made something abandoned it and another company picked up on it. So ford didn't make it as marketable as Nissan did. Ford's loss.
It's too small of a demographic but you didn't read between the lines. They know this and are taking advantage of it.
deerslayer
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Agreed.
Like others have said, that Tundra had to have been in 4 Low, whereas the Ford was not. I'm not a fan of Ford, but there's no way the Tundra has more power, let alone that much more power.
deerslayer
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deerslayer
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I need to get the 4wd checked on my Silverado, the "Service 4wd" warning comes up at random. Hadn't done it for a couple months now. I think I read somewhere that the dash button goes bad or has loose wires.
Demon-Xanth
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Pulloffs like that only show who has more traction. Take a diesel, gear it down to 4 low, drop it in first, and you'll move the earth unless something breaks. It just won't move fast.
Example:
My dad's '99 Ram, 460LBft*5.62:1st*2.72:1 transfercase*3.73 differential/32" tall tires=about 10,000LBs of force on the tire's surfaces. No way it's hooking up. But then the top speed becomes 5MPH (redline limited)
Example:
My dad's '99 Ram, 460LBft*5.62:1st*2.72:1 transfercase*3.73 differential/32" tall tires=about 10,000LBs of force on the tire's surfaces. No way it's hooking up. But then the top speed becomes 5MPH (redline limited)
You're arguing the honesty of a marketing department. The actual capability is irrelevant to them.
Toyota is just as guilty
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