Forcing Triple Buffering Externally for Skyrim - Why?

[Sauntache]

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[runzwithsizorz]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2468737

This answer... I guess just for Nvidia cards? However, if the game is running fine for you, don't worry about it.

 

[Sauntache]

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[blackened23]

It's a Gamebryo game, there's no such thing as a Gamebryo game "running fine".

Hahah, yeah pretty much.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

I read Skyrim using new Creation engine, not Gamebyro (which, by the way is also buggy). All I can say is I am playing Oblivian GOTY ed with no problems (though I did install the unofficial patches for the numerous gameplay bugs) and Darnifield UI to replace the clunky interface.

 

[Sauntache]

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[runzwithsizorz]

Nothing more to add. Sorry you can't find your answer. And YES. the game is playing on an AMD 5870m, ROG laptop with no problems.

 

[BrightCandle]

If triple buffering was truly enabled then the frame rate would be able to exceed 60 fps. I know for certain that it doesn't, therefore the game is double buffered normally.

You can't triple buffer DirectX, even with D3DOverrider. D3DOverrider makes the context queue frames over writeable so you can introduce new ones which allows both the double buffered vsync to avoid tears and in addition you can replace frames that are old such that the game can run unconstrained on the CPU at least. But its fake triple buffering as that is not how its meant to work.

As far as I know there is no way to turn on triple buffering in DirectX at all, the API simply doesn't support it. Everything DX does it does before it hits the GPU and you only really have vsync on or off as options.

 

[Rhezuss]

It's a Gamebryo game, there's no such thing as a Gamebryo game "running fine".

Damn those comments...
Sure the Gamebryo is a capricious engine but most of the time troubles are caused by hardware conflicts and driver bugs from the user ends.

Hell, I play every game derived from this engine and NEVER had a single issue/crash/bug with my last 3 setups that used ATI and nVidia cards, AMD and Intel CPUs andmany different motherboards.

But yeah, Gamebryo is a weird engine acting like a spoiled princess but treat it well and it'll love you

 

[shortylickens]

Hahah, yeah pretty much.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I had New Vegas running 28 hours before anything went wrong.
Skyrim went almost 50 hours. And it only had issues after I installed a bunch of mods.

 

[Sauntache]

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[futurefields]

Might be off-topic, but I often use the Vsync in RadeonPro versus the one built into games. It seems to do a better job. I think its because its a Vsync implementation specifically for AMD cards. There is less lag when I use it versus Vsync built into games.

If you think about it, the game dev doesnt know what brand card you are using. Could me Nvidia AMD or Intel. So the Vsync implementation is probably more basic.

Versus one in a 3rd party app tailored specifically for AMD or Nvidia cards, which might use a Vsync implementation that offers better performance/less input lag.

 

[Cerb]

Is there something I'm missing?

TMK, it does it itself. D3D doesn't 'really' support triple-buffering, so either a game has to support it natively, or you need to use D3DOverrider, which can sometimes have a negative overall performance impact (luckily, not often), if it doesn't. OTOH, it's Gamebryo and from Bethesda, so it wouldn't be beyond belief that D3DOverrider's implementation could be better .

Hell, I play every game derived from this engine and NEVER had a single issue/crash/bug with my last 3 setups that used ATI and nVidia cards, AMD and Intel CPUs andmany different motherboards.

I have a very hard time believing that, unless you played the Bethesda games as short linear CRPGs, and didn't give them the hundreds of hours they need (what if the broom dungeon is in that little unexplored hole in your world map?). Even my friends who played them on consoles had, and some still have, issues (kind of rules out the hardware and drivers theory). Bethesda has creative talent, and a company culture that cultivates it well, but that is not sufficiently backed by quality development practices, IMV.

 

[Sauntache]

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[Unoid]

Hahah, yeah pretty much.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Defense Grid !!!!1

 

[jimhsu]

As a um... consumer and (mod) developer for Gamebryo from the 2000s (yea, Morrowind), yes it's possible to get Gamebryo in a state where it doesn't crash. It's also possible to get a 100 on your organic chemistry exam, or run a three-minute mile, or make your Windows install perfectly secure. Doesn't mean it's the experience for the vast majority of players.

/goes off to fix another bug caused by Gamebryo.

 

[shortylickens]

Thats nice, but Morrowind ran fine. My only problem with that game is the physics are so horrible I can never go back having played Oblivion and Skyrim.

 

[jimhsu]

Thats nice, but Morrowind ran fine. My only problem with that game is the physics are so horrible I can never go back having played Oblivion and Skyrim.

If you're speaking about the complete absence of physics on Morrowind, you'd be right. I presume Havok is the cause of a lot of bugs in Oblivion and Skyrim (more so in Skyrim, now that the (well understood) animation system was replaced by Havok Behavior, while admittedly superior, is incomprehensible to me). Graphics extenders like OBGE and ENB are also the source for a lot of instability problems (though more due to poor implementation of video card drivers). Anyways.

Morrowind also had a famous number of bugs, specifically the infamous "doubling bug" that was(and still is) the bane of modders everywhere (due to how modifying references specified in another mod is handled). Thus, doubled doors, doubled switches, doubled essential quest-giving NPCs, ... It does crash less, though.

I do still mod for Morrowind though. VERY occassionally.