ForceWare 52.x - allways sharpening?

QQuxa

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Hey,

I noticed one problem lately.. When I quit a game (FX5600 here),
the screen becomes a bit different.. First I thought it wasn't restoring
gamma properly, but it wasn't that.. It appears that after quitting
a game, ForceWare enables Image Sharpening!

There is control, Image Sharpening in Color Correction panel.. which
does exactly same thing as I can see after quitting the game. What
is more annoying, that it's not possible to fix it.. The slider is all
to left (eg no sharpening)! And what's interesting, is that when I click
OK, for a mere moment the picture becomes normal, but then it flickers
and returns to sharpened.. So I gotta restart computer to fix that.

And it doesn't happen allways, either.. Strange :(
 

Amused

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Try it yourself. Too much sharpening makes everything have halos of white and black lines. I personally do not like any of the image shapening thet the nVidia drivers offer. It looks like crap.
 

QQuxa

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exactly

I don't quite consider it an improvement.. letter lines become slimmer so it's harder to read lots of text. There seems to be way more white halos.

In any case, I'd like to have an ability to disable it, which in this case is impossible..
 

Pete

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Did you try setting Sharpening to On (and hitting Apply if nec'y), then back to Off? Can you do that without restarting?
 

QQuxa

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Yes, I tried it, of course.

Appears that current (eg, broken) level of sharpening is somewhere between position 0 (left most) and 1 of the sharpening slider. When I set it to 1, sharpening increases by tiny bit. I click apply Then I decrease it to 0 and its back to the normal (good) state. Then I click apply. It still stays good. Now as soon as properties dialog looses focus (alt+tab, or ok button), it's back to broken state.

It's driving me crazy :(
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: QQuxa
Yes, I tried it, of course.

Appears that current (eg, broken) level of sharpening is somewhere between position 0 (left most) and 1 of the sharpening slider. When I set it to 1, sharpening increases by tiny bit. I click apply Then I decrease it to 0 and its back to the normal (good) state. Then I click apply. It still stays good. Now as soon as properties dialog looses focus (alt+tab, or ok button), it's back to broken state.

It's driving me crazy :(

Try a different driver version. Either roll back, or get one of the betas.
 

txxxx

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Thanks for the warning, think I'll stick to whatever's installed at the moment :D
 

QQuxa

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I got 52.16 now, and I had same problem with whatever was it from 52.x series earlier.. I'll try 53.03 now.
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: QQuxa
I got 52.16 now, and I had same problem with whatever was it from 52.x series earlier.. I'll try 53.03 now.

I don't have that problem... I'm using 52.70... but I never had that problem with 52.16 or 52.14 or 52.10 or 51.75 or.... the list goes on. I have noticed that the 53.03's are unstable, so I wouldn't recommend you use them for anything other than seeing if it corrects your problem.
 

QQuxa

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Hm, it doesn't happen allways. In fact, it happens quite rarely, but I thought I'd post it since I got it today - after quitting Lock On.

I'll try newest 52.x driver then.
 

QQuxa

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Damn, I installed 52.70, and I have it even without playing any game!

Maybe you have it aswell just don't notice? Take these steps:


Go to display properties, panel where you can adjust sharpness. Move sharpness from 0 position to 1 position,
and then back to 0, so that apply button becomes enabled. Click apply button.

Now look CLOSELY at some text on your screen, preferebly in small font - buttons in taskbar, or clock work fine. While looking CLOSELY, click somewhere on the screen, so that desktop properties panel looses focus - and BAM, you notice how sharpness changes, letters become slimmer, etc!

So seems there is no way to disable the sharpening! At least with my current setup..

WinXP here, btw.

I just tried.. unfortunately screen shots allways return same picture, no matter what sharpening :( So I can't show you clearly what i'm talking about..
 

QQuxa

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actually, sharpening seems to enable itself as soon as you open nvidia's tab on display properties window..
 

Jeff7181

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I did that as soon as I read your post... I don't have that problem... maybe it's related to your FX5600?
 

QQuxa

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Are you sure you did it exactly like that? Looking very carefully? The difference is minor, but still visible.

WinXP + FX5600 + 52.70 here..
 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: QQuxa
Are you sure you did it exactly like that? Looking very carefully? The difference is minor, but still visible.

WinXP + FX5600 + 52.70 here..

Yes... despite what some people will tell you on these boards, I'm not stupid =) I can see the difference, and there's no problems with that anytime for me.
 

QQuxa

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did you try fiddling around with sharpening slide bar? does it allways return to "good" state when you move it all the way left?
does screen flicker then you click ok/apply?

 

Jeff7181

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Originally posted by: QQuxa
did you try fiddling around with sharpening slide bar? does it allways return to "good" state when you move it all the way left?
does screen flicker then you click ok/apply?

Yes, I slid it back and forth to see what you were talking about, and yes I can see the difference, and yes it always returns to the way it's supposed to look when I slide it back to the left... and no it doesn't flicker when I click apply because I haven't changed anything.
 

QQuxa

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Strange.. because it flickers when I click apply here.. not only flickers, but it also looks like the picture bumps up and down a bit. I wonder if anyone else is having the same effect..
 

yhelothar

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i have a geforcefx 5900 and i have no problems...
i tried the 51.75, 52.16, and i'm currently on the 53.03.. all without any problems