For YAGT posters (more readable)

[Steve]

Could you at least format it so each line is the length of the screen?

 

[lightweight]

Originally posted by: sm8000
Could you at least format it so each line is the length of the screen?

done

 

[SMOGZINN]

First of all, I feel sorry for a group of people that finds a half page of text to long to read.

Next I would like to comment on what the letter (or its reply) actually said.
The theory he is pushing is the old, 'play hard to get' routine.
It use to be girls that were advised to play hard to get, now the tables have turned and guys are getting that same old advise. Well, it didn?t really work well for the women, and it doesn?t really work well for guys either.
There are several problems with this approach. First of all, how is it supposed to make her want you? You understand that there are about 2 billion other guys that are not overly interested in her also, right? When do you stop being hard to get? When do you finally let her know that you really dig her? The problem with it is exactly the same as the problem with being overly anxious. You pay too much attention to her you appear needy, pay to little and you appear uncaring. Exactly how much attention do you pay to her, and when? How do you ever get past all this lieing to each other and start a relationship?
Over all this is just another way of trying to ?trick? someone into loving you. Well, let me tell you, it is not going to happen. If the relationship is uneven then you are not going to make it even by pretending to not like her too much. She has the power in that situation.
All these head games really don?t help, and just end up getting in the way.
You want to know if a girl likes you? ASK!
Come right out and say, ?I think I love you?
Most of the time you will get shot down, but that is okay, because you only need one person to say, I love you too.

 

[lightweight]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
First of all, I feel sorry for a group of people that finds a half page of text to long to read.

Next I would like to comment on what the letter (or its reply) actually said.
The theory he is pushing is the old, 'play hard to get' routine.
It use to be girls that were advised to play hard to get, now the tables have turned and guys are getting that same old advise. Well, it didn?t really work well for the women, and it doesn?t really work well for guys either.
There are several problems with this approach. First of all, how is it supposed to make her want you? You understand that there are about 2 billion other guys that are not overly interested in her also, right? When do you stop being hard to get? When do you finally let her know that you really dig her? The problem with it is exactly the same as the problem with being overly anxious. You pay too much attention to her you appear needy, pay to little and you appear uncaring. Exactly how much attention do you pay to her, and when? How do you ever get past all this lieing to each other and start a relationship?
Over all this is just another way of trying to ?trick? someone into loving you. Well, let me tell you, it is not going to happen. If the relationship is uneven then you are not going to make it even by pretending to not like her too much. She has the power in that situation.
All these head games really don?t help, and just end up getting in the way.
You want to know if a girl likes you? ASK!
Come right out and say, ?I think I love you?
Most of the time you will get shot down, but that is okay, because you only need one person to say, I love you too.

As interesting as this is, I don't think you understood what he was saying. The problem with the person that was writing the article is that he is overly giving her attention. This is the type of behavior that drives women away. It's not that David D encourages him to be hard to get, but he encourages him to stop being so damn needy. There is no correlation between buying a woman gifts, and having her like you.

I do agree on the unevenness of the scale though for someones attention. Generally if the scale is too uneven, that is to say person A likes person B much more than person B likes person A, the relationship won't work. Also, men oftentimes unknowingly give power to a woman over a situation. The act of being a wussy for instance, and having lower self esteem is saying at a completely unconscious level "I am a huge wussy, you have to know this about me, please have power over this situation".

I don't think that David D is teaching mindtricks as much as he is trying to put a context around this particular interaction.

Men that are very successful with women realize that they can be indifferent in most situations because guess what? There are as many women out there as he wants anyways.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I understood it quite well. He is skirting around the edges of flat out giving the ?play hard to get? advice. And I am sure the only reason he skirts around the edges is so he can sell his book.

If someone gets something, or even knows that they HAVE IT whenever they want it, that thing becomes much less interesting to them.

As a rule, we humans desire things that aren't easy to get.

We don't want the easy thing!

Just think about it, man.

The more you don't know how she feels about you, and the more you try... the more you WANT HER.

It's working on you, but you can't see it!

The end result of all his bluster is that he is a snake oil salesman and his advice is "You screwed up, but I have a product guaranteed to fix that!" He then falls into a sales pitch. After following the links on his web site, and reading his rants, it is amazingly similar to that same old song and dance that every snake oil sales man has used since before the civil war. The man just needs a soap box.

A proven exercise to develop a stone-cold, unshakable inner confidence that allows you to approach a woman in any situation without getting nervous and without fear of rejection ? pg. 26

A psychological tactic ?regular? guys can use to make a woman ALWAYS choose them over a guy who is better looking or makes more money ? pg. 15

How to finally rid yourself FOREVER of those negative ?inner demons? that have been sabotaging your success with women your entire life ? pg. 28

If these things were that easy we would all have them. The fact of the matter is, we ALL have those ?inner demons? and we can?t get rid of them by breathing right, or what ever method he concocts. I am a psychologist and I don?t know of any tactic that will ALWAYS make anyone do anything, much less choose you over some guy who is better looking or makes more money. Well? I suppose you could poison her dinner with a slow acting poison that only you have the antidote to.
ANYTIME someone uses absolutes like anytime be suspicious, even now. What type of exercise could he be touting that will develop a ?stone-cold, unshakable inner confidence? in any situation?
I think this is also explained on page 123 of Dianetics. Ever see those old commercials? Does any of this sound similar? Sounds like the same old BS to me.