Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: bamacre
Oh, it was their choice, huh? :roll:
uhh, yes - given that it was their entire platform for election last November. Taking on the task of extricating us from this mess was their pledge, and it won them their elections. It is therefore our duty to hold them accountable for their broken promises, just as we hold Bush accountable for his broken promises made several years earlier.
First off, it was not their choice, as you said. I'm sure that's not what they would have chosen to run on, I'm sure they wouldn't want to feel they'd have to clean up a mess made by Bush. I'm quite sure they'd wish we weren't there, that there wasn't a mess to clean up.
ohhh jeebus... listen: it was their choice to run last year given the circumstances. In making that decision, they agreed to a platform consisting primarily of promises for changes and fixes to Bush's screw-ups. Whether or not they ever wanted to run on such a platform is irrelevant... because they did.
And "harping on Bush's past mistakes" may not get us anywhere "in terms of resolving said crisis," but it should be done to help prevent those mistakes from happening again.
As i said, once we get out of this mess, you can study the initial mistakes for the rest of your days, for all I care... But when it comes to priorities, fixing this mess trumps the Blame Game every time.
And you seem to think that it is a-ok for Bush to make the mess as long as the Democrats are able to fix them. And if they can't, it's their fault for not being able to fix them. :roll:
1) It's Bush's fault we are in this mess. 2) It will be his AND the current Congress' fault if they do not figure a way out of this mess. they have signed on to be a part of the solution, with promises to that effect, so yes, they too should be held accountable for whatever happens from here on out. What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?
If a company is failing, and the board of directors is replaced with people who say that they can fix it, don't they themselves become responsible for whatever happens once they take control? If the company continues to fail, then they too will be partially to blame for not following through with their promises to fix said company.
comprende'?
You know as well as I do that the Democrats winning of the past elections was not because of anything they promised.
HAHAHAHA, WHAT?!!? uhhh, ya... right.
I'm not wrong and you know it. The elections went the way they did because of Bush's foul-ups, not because of anything Democrats promised. Americans voted against Republicans MUCH more so than they voted for Democrats.
Let me spell it out for you: The Democrats' promises were a result of Bush's screw-ups. Therefore, they tied their own election results directly to their own promises of change and resolution. Regardless of the reasons people voted for who they did, the bottom line across the board is that those votes were cast with a desire for CHANGE. As in, we have every right to hope that the democrats fix what the Republicans broke. To desire anything less would be ignorant -- unless you somehow enjoy the mess itself, simply because the other guy is to blame...?
Instead, they won because of the broken promises and many mistakes made by the Republicans in charge.
this shattered faith in Republican rule that you describe was the very reason every Democratic candidate DID promise to fix what was broken in Washington. But if you think the democrats won their seats without making such promises, you're delusional!
You act as if Americans had a choice here. WTF were they going to do? Continue voting for Republicans? The ballots may have just said, "FOR Republican, or AGAINST Republican."
not quite... the Democrats tied their promises, and their elections, directly to the Iraq issue; therefore their eventual performance will be measured accordingly.
I don't think the American voters have any faith in the Democrats resolving the problem in Iraq, nor anyone else for that matter.
on that we can NOW agree. However, I believe that many democrats had faith in their candidates last October... only recently has reality begun to kick in and show them for the equally useless politicians that they are.
sad that.
Oh we agree? Doesn't look like it considering the rest of your posts. Where we disagree is that it is not "only recently" that the American voters lost faith in Democrats in fixing Iraq. They knew before the elections that Iraq was such a freakin' mess than no one could really fix it.
I do not believe that. Rather, I do believe that the new democrats at least gave us a shred of hope that things would change. Americans have never been the sort to just give up, so I highly doubt that the entire populace went into last November with a defeatist attitude and a total lack of expectations or hope.
They didn't vote for Democrats because they thought they could fix Iraq, they voted against Republicans for fvcking it up to begin with. And if you can't see that, you're blind.
they voted for both reasons... but, the Democratic candidates took the mess upon their own shoulders when they voiced promises for change and an eventual solution to the mess Republicans created.
And just so you know, I am not a Democrat. Never voted for one in my life. That is probably going to change thanks to your buddy in charge.
well, just so YOU know, I'm not a republican. My voting record has been 50/50 R/D over the last 15 years. Second, Bush is not my "buddy" - He is my Commander in Chief.
I think you're spending too much time pointing fingers and playing the Blame Game to apply the proper pressure on the new Congress to get us out of this mess. your priorities are out of whack.
Extricating ourselves from this mess, properly, should be our highest priority. Instead, too many people are focusing on the year 2003, to move forward in 2007...