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Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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No, I don't Know any of that. 99% of all politicians are crooks in my opinion. I am not alone in this belief, nowhere near alone.
You may not be alone, but I don't think that is true at all at the federal level.

Are most politicians well informed? Smart? Brave? Empathetic? Unbiased? Reasonable and of good temperament? I could say yes, MOST politicians lack one of those fairly key and important characteristics when you look closely on both the democratic and GOP side (recall that law which passed in the senate 99-1 that allows people to sue Saudi Arabia and thus established a precedent to allow other countries to sue the US? Both sides take the blame for spinelessness for that one). But plain old crooks? I can't say MOST are.

Mitt Romney for example is not a crook, despite his flaws.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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No, I don't Know any of that. 99% of all politicians are crooks in my opinion. I am not alone in this belief, nowhere near alone.

Good thing your opinion isn't worth shit!

I'm just curious, does anyone know of a single topic this guy hasn't been wrong on?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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No, I don't Know any of that. 99% of all politicians are crooks in my opinion. I am not alone in this belief, nowhere near alone.

If you don't know it that's because you're deliberately blind. The only kind of change you'll get from Repubs is more trickle down, more crippling the govt & a bunch of fear mongering, empty promises & puffed up scandals.

What else have they done since 2008, anyway? What has their governance done for Louisiana & Kansas given the little guy other than a hard fucking?
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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If you don't know it that's because you're deliberately blind. The only kind of change you'll get from Repubs is more trickle down, more crippling the govt & a bunch of fear mongering, empty promises & puffed up scandals.

What else have they done since 2008, anyway? What has their governance done for Louisiana & Kansas given the little guy other than a hard fucking?


No one gives a fuck about the litle guy, not even the Dems any more. If you don't have mega bucks to contribute to campaigns...you don't count.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Anyone who doesn't like trump but won't vote for Hillary, just tell yourself you are an idiot and don't deserve a vote for being such an uninformed voter who is easily persuaded by propaganda.

That's about the best reason you can come up with to excuse your foolishness.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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No one gives a fuck about the litle guy, not even the Dems any more. If you don't have mega bucks to contribute to campaigns...you don't count.

That's funny because I'm aware of a program that specifically helps the little guy who otherwise would have been screwed. Its directly related to the great recession. Its a program called harp. Have you heard of it? Another good thing the dems have done is pass the creation of the cfpb.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/elizabeth-warren-consumer-financial-protection-bureau

So fuck you and your intellectually lazy ass parroting the bullshit line of "both sides are the same".

You and people with your mentality are one step away from the political intelligence of a trump supporter (in fact if I had to guess I bet you are a Bernie supporter, the lefts equivalent of a trump supporter).
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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If you don't know it that's because you're deliberately blind. The only kind of change you'll get from Repubs is more trickle down, more crippling the govt & a bunch of fear mongering, empty promises & puffed up scandals.

What else have they done since 2008, anyway? What has their governance done for Louisiana & Kansas given the little guy other than a hard fucking?

There you go again. You keep trying to turn this around for some stupid reason.

I'm not making an argument For the Republicans. I am making a statement about how corrupt 99% of Washington politicians are. Both Republicans and Democrats.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Anyone who doesn't like trump but won't vote for Hillary, just tell yourself you are an idiot and don't deserve a vote for being such an uninformed voter who is easily persuaded by propaganda.

That's about the best reason you can come up with to excuse your foolishness.

This is where you are blindly stupid.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Being fed up and angry is no excuse to gleefully watch the world burn. That is the behavior of petulant children.

You sure about that? Only in modern times, and I mean real modern, has an upset people not resulted in revolution through the outright slaughter of the "ruling class". A Trump vote is for people that would rather use guns to solve this, but will try one last thing.

No matter who wins, you will have to ask yourself how there came to be so many.
 

John Connor

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Nov 30, 2012
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For those still having trouble voting for Clinton just realize you're doing it for yourself and your family, not her. Clinton is your typical play for pay politician but at least she will be able to maintain stability and that's important to me and my family.

Trump on the other hand is an egomaniac anarchist with a track record of screwing over people, from 7 failed companies to his scam Trump "University". Why on earth would we trust an asshole like him to run the country. He's a con artist whose radical economic views could literally send this country into recession and for those with stocks in the market, could make us lose lots of money.

At the end of the day I just want peace and stability and move on with my live, therefore I will be voting Clinton. Hope you understand and will do the same. Please also mobilize your neighbors and friends to vote. God bless.


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Meanwhile on the 'Drain the swamp' side.

 

HamburgerBoy

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Apr 12, 2004
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Anyone who doesn't like trump but won't vote for Hillary, just tell yourself you are an idiot and don't deserve a vote for being such an uninformed voter who is easily persuaded by propaganda.

That's about the best reason you can come up with to excuse your foolishness.

I voted Libertarian in hopes that Repubs eventually start moving in that direction. Clinton is most likely better than Trump, but that doesn't make her good. I can get behind her to an extent on free-trade and immigration, but she doesn't even deserve credit for any of the socially liberal movements of recent (marijuana, gay marriage, etc), and she's also a "regime changer", race-panderer, and gun-Nazi. Not remotely enough in her favor for me to vote for her. Basically, she takes after the slightly/moderately bad policies of both parties and wants a cookie for not being a total piece of shit. Nope, doesn't work that way, too bad so sad for partisan Dems that feel entitled to 2016.
 
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Miramonti

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As bad as Trump is, half the country, the half that is scared of Trump, really seem clueless why the other half are willing to vote for him over Clinton (and hint...it's not just because all of them are racist.) And that seems to fuel their fire.

The unfortunate part about this is that angry people tend to rise up to be heard more than scared people...and that may not bode well for anti-Trump people on Tuesday.
 

DrDoug

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I voted Libertarian in hopes that Repubs eventually start moving in that direction. Clinton is most likely better than Trump, but that doesn't make her good. I can get behind her to an extent on free-trade and immigration, but she doesn't even deserve credit for any of the socially liberal movements of recent (marijuana, gay marriage, etc), and she's also a "regime changer", race-panderer, and gun-Nazi. Not remotely enough in her favor for me to vote for her. Basically, she takes after the slightly/moderately bad policies of both parties and wants a cookie for not being a total piece of shit. Nope, doesn't work that way, too bad so sad for partisan Dems that feel entitled to 2016.

... and nobody but you will really care. That ought to leave you with a smug feeling of satisfaction and little else. The good news is that once pot is legalized in your state, you will once again be able to vote Republican. Because that's what Libertarians are, Republicans who like to get high.

Ask Aqua Buddha. :D
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I voted Libertarian in hopes that Repubs eventually start moving in that direction. Clinton is most likely better than Trump, but that doesn't make her good. I can get behind her to an extent on free-trade and immigration, but she doesn't even deserve credit for any of the socially liberal movements of recent (marijuana, gay marriage, etc), and she's also a "regime changer", race-panderer, and gun-Nazi. Not remotely enough in her favor for me to vote for her. Basically, she takes after the slightly/moderately bad policies of both parties and wants a cookie for not being a total piece of shit. Nope, doesn't work that way, too bad so sad for partisan Dems that feel entitled to 2016.

Hey, at least you stuck to the policies;)
 

sportage

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Feb 1, 2008
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I don't like Hillary...never have, and at this point, the only really good thing that can be said about her is that at least she's not Donald Trump...which, IMO, is much worse.

It's fucking sad that these two are the "best" candidates that "we the people" get as choices. Fucked we are...once again.

I don't get this attitude.
How and why, exactly, is Hillary so awful?

Is it because....
Because republicans tossed everything but the kitchen sink at her and nothing would stick?
Because she is an strong opinionated woman?
Because she married a pervert?
Because she looks funny or laughs weird?
Because she has buggy eyes?
I mean... what is it that people dislike so?

You might say Hillary is crooked?
Well then, how was it, when exactly, what exactly was that crime she was accused of doing that she actually did do?
They say she killed Vince Foster. Is that it? And where is the proof?
White Water? Republicans investigated that to death and found nothing there to see or of criminal wrongdoing. Was it White Water?
Benghazi? So what then.... did she plan it? Did she want Benghazi to happen? What did she do that was so criminal when no other president or sec of state have been so blamed for foreign attacks on Americans during other administrations?

Do people hate Hillary simply because republicans toss accusation after accusation, none of it true, but still this illusion of distrust builds out of accusation tossing?
Just because so many allegations have been said of Hillary that people start to believe the act of endless accusal must equal guilt of some kind?
Would any of us want to be treated like that?
To be accused of nonsense day after day to the point everyone thinks you must be guilty of...... something?

I still believe 99% of Hillary hate and distrust issues boils down to her being a woman.
And too many people, yes even some women, will not trust a woman.
Especially a woman in such a high position of power and authority.
I just think its the woman thing.
She is a woman and too many people just don't like that.
She's uppity. She refuses to just stay in the kitchen and bake her cookies.
She dare go where only men dare go.
Is that it?

My wish would be for every man and woman that hates Hillary so relentless to have a good old fashion sit down with a really good psychiatrist.
Why does a man beat his wife?
Why does a child act like a brat?
Why does a dog bite the mailman,
and why do people hate Hillary Clinton so?
What is it? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up.
 
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shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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For those still having trouble voting for Clinton just realize you're doing it for yourself and your family, not her. Clinton is your typical play for pay politician but at least she will be able to maintain stability and that's important to me and my family.

Trump on the other hand is an egomaniac anarchist with a track record of screwing over people, from 7 failed companies to his scam Trump "University". Why on earth would we trust an asshole like him to run the country. He's a con artist whose radical economic views could literally send this country into recession and for those with stocks in the market, could make us lose lots of money.

At the end of the day I just want peace and stability and move on with my live, therefore I will be voting Clinton. Hope you understand and will do the same. Please also mobilize your neighbors and friends to vote. God bless.

I want Trump to win cuz I've never seen an impeachment before.
 

compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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I want Trump to win cuz I've never seen an impeachment before.
What kind of crime(s) do you think he'll commit in office? Impeachment only works for crimes committed while in office. Clinton can't be impeached on anything she did prior to becoming president either.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, treason, murder, larceny, grand larceny, solicitation, graft, tax evasion, assault, battery, public endangerment, failure to report a crime, a few constitutional violations, and jay walking.
 

Ancalagon44

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Feb 17, 2010
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I was thinking about this today - why would anyone in their right mind vote Trump when most people agree he is a racist, egotistical, loud mouthed, arrogant idiot?

It's because, as the Joker said in the Dark Knight:
"Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying."

People support Trump over Hillary because they feel they can trust him to do exactly what he says he is going to do - even if what he says is horrifying. People don't support Hillary because they don't feel they can trust her. Too many shadows and too much unpredictability.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I was thinking about this today - why would anyone in their right mind vote Trump when most people agree he is a racist, egotistical, loud mouthed, arrogant idiot?

It's because, as the Joker said in the Dark Knight:
"Nobody panics when things go according to plan. Even if the plan is horrifying."

People support Trump over Hillary because they feel they can trust him to do exactly what he says he is going to do - even if what he says is horrifying. People don't support Hillary because they don't feel they can trust her. Too many shadows and too much unpredictability.

Yeah, nuance is something most people have trouble with, especially trump supporters.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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That's funny because I'm aware of a program that specifically helps the little guy who otherwise would have been screwed. Its directly related to the great recession. Its a program called harp. Have you heard of it? Another good thing the dems have done is pass the creation of the cfpb.

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/elizabeth-warren-consumer-financial-protection-bureau

So fuck you and your intellectually lazy ass parroting the bullshit line of "both sides are the same".

You and people with your mentality are one step away from the political intelligence of a trump supporter (in fact if I had to guess I bet you are a Bernie supporter, the lefts equivalent of a trump supporter).


ROFL! Bernie is one of the worst things to come along since...........fuck...I don't think we've had a mainstream candidate as bad as The Bern...I've been a registered Democrat since 1971...and until O'Bummer ran in 08, I never voted for anyone except the (D) candidate...that year, I bit my tongue and voted for a 3rd party candidate for the first time. I DID vote FOR O'Bummer in 2012, but only because I was concerned that Mitt the Mormon might get elected if I voted 3rd party again. IMO, O'Bummer was better than Mitt.

You reference HARP. It does SOME good, but not as much as was promised...and it was more about saving the banks from even more foreclosures than they were already facing...and less about actually saving homeowners.

This year, once again, we're left with a shit sammich. It doesn't matter whether you vote for white bread, (Trump) or a (slightly) healthier sourdough bread, (Clinton) in the end, you're still getting a shit sammich. (in 2012, it was white bread vs. dark rye) :D

Only a totally blind moron actually thinks either party gives a shit about "the little guy." We're long past that. "We the People" have been sold a bill of goods. Only "We the Corporations" matter to politicians now...because they have all the money.

Yes, it's true, I have become VERY cynical about politics...and political critters. You can't trust any of them.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I don't get this attitude.
How and why, exactly, is Hillary so awful?

Is it because....
Because republicans tossed everything but the kitchen sink at her and nothing would stick?
Because she is an strong opinionated woman?
Because she married a pervert?
Because she looks funny or laughs weird?
Because she has buggy eyes?
I mean... what is it that people dislike so?

You might say Hillary is crooked?
Well then, how was it, when exactly, what exactly was that crime she was accused of doing that she actually did do?
They say she killed Vince Foster. Is that it? And where is the proof?
White Water? Republicans investigated that to death and found nothing there to see or of criminal wrongdoing. Was it White Water?
Benghazi? So what then.... did she plan it? Did she want Benghazi to happen? What did she do that was so criminal when no other president or sec of state have been so blamed for foreign attacks on Americans during other administrations?

Do people hate Hillary simply because republicans toss accusation after accusation, none of it true, but still this illusion of distrust builds out of accusation tossing?
Just because so many allegations have been said of Hillary that people start to believe the act of endless accusal must equal guilt of some kind?
Would any of us want to be treated like that?
To be accused of nonsense day after day to the point everyone thinks you must be guilty of...... something?

I still believe 99% of Hillary hate and distrust issues boils down to her being a woman.
And too many people, yes even some women, will not trust a woman.
Especially a woman in such a high position of power and authority.
I just think its the woman thing.
She is a woman and too many people just don't like that.
She's uppity. She refuses to just stay in the kitchen and bake her cookies.
She dare go where only men dare go.
Is that it?

My wish would be for every man and woman that hates Hillary so relentless to have a good old fashion sit down with a really good psychiatrist.
Why does a man beat his wife?
Why does a child act like a brat?
Why does a dog bite the mailman,
and why do people hate Hillary Clinton so?
What is it? It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't add up.


you have GOT TO BE a woman. No way a man would bother to type all that out...only a woman uses 4000 words to say something that could be said in a couple of sentences. I've noticed this shit in all your political postings. HOLY WALL OF TEXT!



Sorry, I don't give a shit that she has a vagina instead of a penis. I'm sure she's post menopausal, so I'm not too concerned about her having one of those PMS moments and launching the nukes because someone parked in her parking space...I worked construction for more than 30 years. When I was first starting in the trades, women were very uncommon...but dammit, MOST of them worked harder than any of us men...just to be looked at as being "as good" as any man on the job. I don't hold Hillary's vagina against her.

As for the "Hillary is a criminal" thing...I've always been rather skeptical about the whole "The Clintons murdered Vince Foster and the whole slew of people they're alleged to have killed over the years. Is it POSSIBLE? Sure,.

No sirree...my biggest objection to Hillary (and I will probably vote for her on Tuesday...even if it's only to cast a vote AGAINST Trump) is that in many, many ways, she's far too liberal for my liking...and, by the way, don't fool yourself...she's as beholden to "BIG MONEY" as Trump...her "love affair" with Wall Street is just the tip of the iceberg.

Am I wrong about any of this? Perhaps...but that's my objection to her...not her vagina.
 
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michal1980

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Mar 7, 2003
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For those still having trouble voting for Clinton just realize you're doing it for yourself and your family, not her. Clinton is your typical play for pay politician but at least she will be able to maintain stability and that's important to me and my family.

Trump on the other hand is an egomaniac anarchist with a track record of screwing over people, from 7 failed companies to his scam Trump "University". Why on earth would we trust an asshole like him to run the country. He's a con artist whose radical economic views could literally send this country into recession and for those with stocks in the market, could make us lose lots of money.

At the end of the day I just want peace and stability and move on with my live, therefore I will be voting Clinton. Hope you understand and will do the same. Please also mobilize your neighbors and friends to vote. God bless.

She isn't pay for play? What planet do you live on? Money from Quarter for access to the government. Clinton foundation donations being used to get priority access to government work. The whole Clinton family got rich selling access to government.

Stability? Russian relations reset to the cold war. Voted for Iraq. Libya. Syria. etc etc.

You are a tool