For the last week now, I need less and less sleep each night.

Nebbers

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I normally need about 8-9 hours a night to wake up not feeling tired and function well throughout the day. Lately, that number has been dropping each day... to the point where I slept maybe 2.5 hours last night. 3 or 4 the two previous nights. No change in diet, caffeine intake, or anything I can think of.

I'm going to have some kind of mega-depression when this wears off, aren't I? :/
 

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Actually the same thing has happened to me the past few nights. Usually I fall asleep by 11:30 and wake up at 6:30 but I've been waking up at 3-4am lately. It's probably because our subconscious knows the rapture is coming. We must get ready and cover ourselves and possessions in tinfoil
 

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Haha, rapture.

I actually really enjoy it, as I hate sleeping. I feel like it's a waste of time. This is the reason I generally need to stay away from uppers ;)
 

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Haha, rapture.

I actually really enjoy it, as I hate sleeping. I feel like it's a waste of time. This is the reason I generally need to stay away from uppers ;)

Well...considering sleeping helps keep me alive I rather like it.
 

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Well, yeah, of course it's necessary. That doesn't mean I like doing it.
 

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Decide to like it. Link the result to the process. Disliking 1/3 of your life is a waste.

It's not really the sleep itself I dislike, to clarify. It's just the process of getting there. Blame it on the ADHD-type brain or whatever, I never really want to stop going.

Once I'm asleep I love it. When I wake up I never want to get out of bed, I want to go back to sleep.
 
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Interesting, I've noticed about the same thing.. Used to wake up at 7:15, now I'm getting up on my own at 6-6:30

Maybe it's the changing seasons?
 
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We all experience it maybe even all over the world, accept it because it will not go away for a while.
Expect it to be getting worse. It will return to normal soon.
Later on the next cycle will start. And more will come. It will perhaps go on for a few years.
 

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I've been fine with 5 hours of sleep lately. I catch up on sleep weekends.

Since workplace is only 2 miles away it helps that I don't have to wake up earlier. Co-workers can't sleep <8 hours, since some of them drive like +15 miles to work. They have to wake up earlier than me to make it on time to work (4am-1pm).
 
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There is a theory that links our Circadian rhythm not only to the sun directly but to the geomagnetic field also. There was also an article in nature about it. The sun is bombarding our geomagnetic field (The magnetic field shielding the earth) with enormous amounts of charged particles. This causes fluctuations in the field and it seems that the "ancient" parts of our brain are responding to it. But this is all theory i think.
 
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I found sort of the article :

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/science/28magnet.html?_r=1

A researcher studying how monarch butterflies navigate has picked up a strong hint that people may be able to sense the earth&#8217;s magnetic field and use it for orienting themselves.

Many animals rely on the magnetic field for navigation, and researchers have often wondered if people, too, might be able to detect the field; that might explain how Polynesian navigators can make 3,000-mile journeys under starless skies. But after years of inconclusive experiments, interest in people&#8217;s possible magnetic sense has waned.

That may change after an experiment being reported last week by Steven M. Reppert, a neurobiologist at the University of Massachusetts Medical School, and his colleagues Lauren E. Foley and Robert J. Gegear. They have been studying cryptochromes, light-sensitive proteins that help regulate the daily rhythm of the body&#8217;s cells, and how they help set the sun compass by which monarchs navigate.

But the butterflies can navigate even when the sun is obscured, so they must have a backup system. Since physical chemists had speculated the cryptochromes might be sensitive to magnetism, Dr. Reppert wondered if the monarch butterfly was using its cryptochromes to sense the earth&#8217;s magnetic field. He first studied the laboratory fruit fly, whose genes are much easier to manipulate, and showed three years ago that the fly could detect magnetic fields, but only when its cryptochrome gene was in good working order.

He then showed that the monarch butterfly&#8217;s two cryptochrome genes could each substitute for the fly&#8217;s gene in letting it sense magnetic fields, indicating the butterfly uses the proteins for the same purpose.

One of the monarch&#8217;s two cryptochrome genes is similar in its DNA sequence to the human cryptochrome gene. That prompted the idea of seeing whether the human gene, too, could restore magnetic sensing to fruit flies whose own gene had been knocked out. In the journal Nature Communications, Dr. Reppert reports that this is indeed the case. &#8220;A reassessment of human magnetosensitivity may be in order,&#8221; he and his colleagues write.

The human cryptochrome gene is highly active in the eye, raising the possibility that the magnetic field might in some sense be seen, if the cryptochromes interact with the retina.

Dr. Reppert said the focus on human use of the magnetic field for navigation might be misplaced. Following an idea proposed last year by John B. Phillips of Virginia Tech, he said the primary use of magnetic sensing might be for spatial orientation.

&#8220;It could be providing a spherical coordinate system that the animal could use for spatial positioning,&#8221; he said.

Dr. Phillips said that Dr. Reppert&#8217;s work was of interest but that he had been surprised by an experiment in which Dr. Reppert disrupted the part of the cryptochrome thought to interact with the magnetic field, yet the flies had still detected the magnetism. &#8220;It&#8217;s 50-50 whether he&#8217;s really studying what he thinks he is,&#8221; Dr. Phillips said.

Dr. Reppert replied that he had already ruled out the alternative explanation suggested by Dr. Phillips.

But both scientists agreed on the possibilities opened up by the cryptochrome system. Depending on how the proteins are aligned in the eye, insects may perceive objects as being lighter or darker as they orient themselves in relation to the magnetic field, Dr. Phillips said.

In fact, the cryptochrome system might supply a grid imposed on all the landmarks in a visual scene, helping a squirrel find a buried acorn, or a fox integrate its visual scene with what it hears. &#8220;This is the fun stage where we are not constrained by many facts,&#8221; Dr. Phillips said.

If butterflies, birds and foxes possess such a wonderful system, why would it ever have died out in the human lineage?

&#8220;It may be that our electromagnetic world is interfering with our ability to do this kind of stuff,&#8221; Dr. Phillips said.

As for Dr. Reppert, he is now planning his next step, that of understanding how the cryptochrome proteins sense the magnetic field and how they convey that information to the fruit fly&#8217;s and monarch&#8217;s brain.

I remember that nonlnear on the forum gave me a link about native aboriginal people who have a perfect sense of direction. Perhaps they have this ability to feel the magnetic field and that is why they always know "north" right away without looking around for markers or clues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/magazine/29language-t.html?pagewanted=all

But then a remote Australian aboriginal tongue, Guugu Yimithirr, from north Queensland, turned up, and with it came the astounding realization that not all languages conform to what we have always taken as simply &#8220;natural.&#8221; In fact, Guugu Yimithirr doesn&#8217;t make any use of egocentric coordinates at all. The anthropologist John Haviland and later the linguist Stephen Levinson have shown that Guugu Yimithirr does not use words like &#8220;left&#8221; or &#8220;right,&#8221; &#8220;in front of&#8221; or &#8220;behind,&#8221; to describe the position of objects. Whenever we would use the egocentric system, the Guugu Yimithirr rely on cardinal directions. If they want you to move over on the car seat to make room, they&#8217;ll say &#8220;move a bit to the east.&#8221; To tell you where exactly they left something in your house, they&#8217;ll say, &#8220;I left it on the southern edge of the western table.&#8221; Or they would warn you to &#8220;look out for that big ant just north of your foot.&#8221; Even when shown a film on television, they gave descriptions of it based on the orientation of the screen. If the television was facing north, and a man on the screen was approaching, they said that he was &#8220;coming northward.&#8221;

When these peculiarities of Guugu Yimithirr were uncovered, they inspired a large-scale research project into the language of space. And as it happens, Guugu Yimithirr is not a freak occurrence; languages that rely primarily on geographical coordinates are scattered around the world, from Polynesia to Mexico, from Namibia to Bali. For us, it might seem the height of absurdity for a dance teacher to say, &#8220;Now raise your north hand and move your south leg eastward.&#8221; But the joke would be lost on some: the Canadian-American musicologist Colin McPhee, who spent several years on Bali in the 1930s, recalls a young boy who showed great talent for dancing. As there was no instructor in the child&#8217;s village, McPhee arranged for him to stay with a teacher in a different village. But when he came to check on the boy&#8217;s progress after a few days, he found the boy dejected and the teacher exasperated. It was impossible to teach the boy anything, because he simply did not understand any of the instructions. When told to take &#8220;three steps east&#8221; or &#8220;bend southwest,&#8221; he didn&#8217;t know what to do. The boy would not have had the least trouble with these directions in his own village, but because the landscape in the new village was entirely unfamiliar, he became disoriented and confused. Why didn&#8217;t the teacher use different instructions? He would probably have replied that saying &#8220;take three steps forward&#8221; or &#8220;bend backward&#8221; would be the height of absurdity.

So different languages certainly make us speak about space in very different ways. But does this necessarily mean that we have to think about space differently? By now red lights should be flashing, because even if a language doesn&#8217;t have a word for &#8220;behind,&#8221; this doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that its speakers wouldn&#8217;t be able to understand this concept. Instead, we should look for the possible consequences of what geographic languages oblige their speakers to convey. In particular, we should be on the lookout for what habits of mind might develop because of the necessity of specifying geographic directions all the time.

In order to speak a language like Guugu Yimithirr, you need to know where the cardinal directions are at each and every moment of your waking life. You need to have a compass in your mind that operates all the time, day and night, without lunch breaks or weekends off, since otherwise you would not be able to impart the most basic information or understand what people around you are saying. Indeed, speakers of geographic languages seem to have an almost-superhuman sense of orientation. Regardless of visibility conditions, regardless of whether they are in thick forest or on an open plain, whether outside or indoors or even in caves, whether stationary or moving, they have a spot-on sense of direction. They don&#8217;t look at the sun and pause for a moment of calculation before they say, &#8220;There&#8217;s an ant just north of your foot.&#8221; They simply feel where north, south, west and east are, just as people with perfect pitch feel what each note is without having to calculate intervals. There is a wealth of stories about what to us may seem like incredible feats of orientation but for speakers of geographic languages are just a matter of course. One report relates how a speaker of Tzeltal from southern Mexico was blindfolded and spun around more than 20 times in a darkened house. Still blindfolded and dizzy, he pointed without hesitation at the geographic directions.


How does this work? The convention of communicating with geographic coordinates compels speakers from the youngest age to pay attention to the clues from the physical environment (the position of the sun, wind and so on) every second of their lives, and to develop an accurate memory of their own changing orientations at any given moment. So everyday communication in a geographic language provides the most intense imaginable drilling in geographic orientation (it has been estimated that as much as 1 word in 10 in a normal Guugu Yimithirr conversation is &#8220;north,&#8221; &#8220;south,&#8221; &#8220;west&#8221; or &#8220;east,&#8221; often accompanied by precise hand gestures). This habit of constant awareness to the geographic direction is inculcated almost from infancy: studies have shown that children in such societies start using geographic directions as early as age 2 and fully master the system by 7 or 8. With such an early and intense drilling, the habit soon becomes second nature, effortless and unconscious. When Guugu Yimithirr speakers were asked how they knew where north is, they couldn&#8217;t explain it any more than you can explain how you know where &#8220;behind&#8221; is.

But there is more to the effects of a geographic language, for the sense of orientation has to extend further in time than the immediate present. If you speak a Guugu Yimithirr-style language, your memories of anything that you might ever want to report will have to be stored with cardinal directions as part of the picture. One Guugu Yimithirr speaker was filmed telling his friends the story of how in his youth, he capsized in shark-infested waters. He and an older person were caught in a storm, and their boat tipped over. They both jumped into the water and managed to swim nearly three miles to the shore, only to discover that the missionary for whom they worked was far more concerned at the loss of the boat than relieved at their miraculous escape. Apart from the dramatic content, the remarkable thing about the story was that it was remembered throughout in cardinal directions: the speaker jumped into the water on the western side of the boat, his companion to the east of the boat, they saw a giant shark swimming north and so on. Perhaps the cardinal directions were just made up for the occasion? Well, quite by chance, the same person was filmed some years later telling the same story. The cardinal directions matched exactly in the two tellings. Even more remarkable were the spontaneous hand gestures that accompanied the story. For instance, the direction in which the boat rolled over was gestured in the correct geographic orientation, regardless of the direction the speaker was facing in the two films.

Psychological experiments have also shown that under certain circumstances, speakers of Guugu Yimithirr-style languages even remember &#8220;the same reality&#8221; differently from us. There has been heated debate about the interpretation of some of these experiments, but one conclusion that seems compelling is that while we are trained to ignore directional rotations when we commit information to memory, speakers of geographic languages are trained not to do so. One way of understanding this is to imagine that you are traveling with a speaker of such a language and staying in a large chain-style hotel, with corridor upon corridor of identical-looking doors. Your friend is staying in the room opposite yours, and when you go into his room, you&#8217;ll see an exact replica of yours: the same bathroom door on the left, the same mirrored wardrobe on the right, the same main room with the same bed on the left, the same curtains drawn behind it, the same desk next to the wall on the right, the same television set on the left corner of the desk and the same telephone on the right. In short, you have seen the same room twice. But when your friend comes into your room, he will see something quite different from this, because everything is reversed north-side-south. In his room the bed was in the north, while in yours it is in the south; the telephone that in his room was in the west is now in the east, and so on. So while you will see and remember the same room twice, a speaker of a geographic language will see and remember two different rooms.

It is not easy for us to conceive how Guugu Yimithirr speakers experience the world, with a crisscrossing of cardinal directions imposed on any mental picture and any piece of graphic memory. Nor is it easy to speculate about how geographic languages affect areas of experience other than spatial orientation &#8212; whether they influence the speaker&#8217;s sense of identity, for instance, or bring about a less-egocentric outlook on life. But one piece of evidence is telling: if you saw a Guugu Yimithirr speaker pointing at himself, you would naturally assume he meant to draw attention to himself. In fact, he is pointing at a cardinal direction that happens to be behind his back. While we are always at the center of the world, and it would never occur to us that pointing in the direction of our chest could mean anything other than to draw attention to ourselves, a Guugu Yimithirr speaker points through himself, as if he were thin air and his own existence were irrelevant.

IN WHAT OTHER WAYS might the language we speak influence our experience of the world? Recently, it has been demonstrated in a series of ingenious experiments that we even perceive colors through the lens of our mother tongue. There are radical variations in the way languages carve up the spectrum of visible light; for example, green and blue are distinct colors in English but are considered shades of the same color in many languages. And it turns out that the colors that our language routinely obliges us to treat as distinct can refine our purely visual sensitivity to certain color differences in reality, so that our brains are trained to exaggerate the distance between shades of color if these have different names in our language. As strange as it may sound, our experience of a Chagall painting actually depends to some extent on whether our language has a word for blue.
 
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I am interested to see how many people have or have not sleeping issues. I myself just wake up after 3.5 to 4 hours of sleep and have a lot of problems falling a sleep again. It is usually about 4 hours before i really have to wake up, which is 6:am. If i get woken up by any external factor, i need to wait for around 4 hours before i have my next sleep window. The sleep window is when i have a 20 to 30 minutes of a time window where i can fall a sleep again. My body feels tired but my brain seems to think it is already 6:am in the morning for some reason. I have had this all my life but mainly in episodes of years not and then it starts without reason. About 2 years ago it started more and more often. But in cycles. And the strange part is that is i am conscious and dreaming at the same time just before i finally can fall asleep again. I have the weirdest dreams all the time, and everything speeds up, it is like seeing a 1.5 hour movie in 10 minutes. As if i am dreaming in high speed to make up for the sleep loss. But this happens only when i am not too tired. Who else has experienced this ?
 
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I have also been having problems sleeping lately. I have been going to bed between 9pm and 11pm, usually waking up between 3am and 5am. Its really grinding my gears because I constantly feel tired and have been napping in the afternoon (2:30pm - 5:30pm).

I am skipping the nap when I get home from work and am going to wait to sleep at 9:00pm tonight.
 
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I suspect that we will find out a LOT more about how we are affected by the magnetic fields over the next few years..
 
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Apparently hypomania is pretty common among ATers.

I looked it up, hypomania. Thank god that is not me. I stay close to myself. But of course, i had it happen because of neighbor issues and problems sleeping that i had 2 hours of sleep a day for 5 days in a row. Then meta cognition is a must. When your low on sleep, keep your brain clock down i always say. It prevents from behaving erratic or burning yourself up. Of course, physical energy will be less as well. And much attention to the food you consume is important. Healthy eating habits keeps you sane.

My idea is : The brain throttles the firing speed of the neurons when needed( low on nutrients or damage). If you can control it, you can prevent racing conditions. Even if you have a brain that likes to be in overdrive, you can still control it. But it takes time and dedication and constant meta cognition. It is all about actively being conscious and staying conscious.
 

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I usually get 4-5 hours of sleep MAX. I usually try to turn in by 12 or 1am but usually wide awake at 5:30-6. And, when I drink, the more I drink the less I sleep. If I get a really good buzz I will passout at 12am and at 3-4am I am fully awake and no hangover. Yay ADHD me.
 
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I usually get 4-5 hours of sleep MAX. I usually try to turn in by 12 or 1am but usually wide awake at 5:30-6. And, when I drink, the more I drink the less I sleep. If I get a really good buzz I will passout at 12am and at 3-4am I am fully awake and no hangover. Yay ADHD me.

How is the concentration ?