For the betterment of BOINC (primegrid discussion) and a new model for volunteer computing

Discussion in 'Distributed Computing' started by kowalabearhugs, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. kowalabearhugs

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    197
    Likes Received:
    2
    The BOINC Work Group committee is researching "how BOINC can be made more user friendly, easier for anyone to set up their own short- or long term project, and for the community to join in on those endeavours. The goal is to get more people to run BOINC, to join in coding all parts that make BOINC (client, manager, web site, forums, projects, etc.), to test everything, to get them to set up their own projects, to make BOINC a future-proof and reliable brand that isn't dependent on any one person in particular."

    Being one of the larger projects, Primegrid is hosting a discussion: https://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=7538&sort=6

    This is inline with the NFS funding a new model for BOINC : http://boinc.berkeley.edu/tbd.php
    Relevant discussion: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=11647#78714

    Apologies if this discussion is already underway elsewhere. I didn't see a relevant thread.
     
    #1 kowalabearhugs, Jul 28, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2017
  2. Loading...

    Similar Threads - betterment BOINC (primegrid Forum Date
    curious.. which is better for F@H?? Distributed Computing Dec 19, 2016
    What is everybody crunching lately? And which is a better GPU for such, AMD or NV? Distributed Computing Oct 21, 2013
    OT: Questions re: new math proof have been better received Distributed Computing Aug 8, 2011
    Anybody doing F@H with an I7 ? 920 ? @ 4 ghz or better ? Distributed Computing Oct 28, 2009
    BOINC and a computer farm: what is better? Distributed Computing Sep 18, 2005

  3. crashtech

    crashtech Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    7,441
    Likes Received:
    615
    Interesting info, thank you! I think you may be missing one of the links though, it looks like two are the same right now.
     
  4. kowalabearhugs

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2010
    Messages:
    197
    Likes Received:
    2
    Thank you. I have updated the post.
     
  5. TennesseeTony

    TennesseeTony Elite Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2003
    Messages:
    2,166
    Likes Received:
    503
    If they want to get more people into DC they only need to get front page tech-site articles here and there, like in the old days, when Anand reported on computer stuff instead of the latest cell phone. Last December's race did wonders for our TeAm, due to a bit of front page coverage.
     
  6. petrusbroder

    petrusbroder Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    12,898
    Likes Received:
    255
    Interesting reads. I have to think about this ...
     
  7. crashtech

    crashtech Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    7,441
    Likes Received:
    615
    I wondered if any improvements could make it to the existing BOINC client, or if all the effort will go to the new client.
     
  8. Markfw

    Markfw CPU Moderator VC&G Moderator Elite Member
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    May 16, 2002
    Messages:
    14,933
    Likes Received:
    1,623
    I think that if the projects were explained as to how they could better mankind, like curing cancer, then more would join. Personally, I could care less about the biggest prime number ever. How does that benefit mankind ?
     
  9. Thebobo

    Thebobo Lifer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2006
    Messages:
    10,759
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    I only do Seti now, because it interest me. For me maybe the different projects could better be explained with how Bionic and its projects have contributed to research and list any breakthroughs directly contributed to Bionic.
     
    TennesseeTony likes this.
  10. Kiska

    Kiska Senior member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2012
    Messages:
    468
    Likes Received:
    69
    I mean if you look closely, there are research papers that mention how BOINC has helped their research
     
  11. ao_ika_red

    ao_ika_red Senior member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2016
    Messages:
    214
    Likes Received:
    62
    As a fairly new member of DC, one of the reason why I willingly do BOINC is because Tom's and Anandtech's article about Folding "war" last December. It seemed fun, and then when I enter TeAm's DC subforum, my eyes opened. I discovered that there are lots of projects that I can volunteer in. And because I love extraterrestrial things, I joined seti and several other projects later.

    Something that I didn't use to was how long single CPU /GPU task to be completed. And then I learned that we could costumize how the project should behave by simply adding several lines of instruction into app_info or app_config file.

    All in all, in my opinion, for the betterment of BOINC:
    1. Like Tony said, big tech publishers should do coverage about DC for once in a while so casual users (like me) can be dragged into DC world.
    2. Each project should explain how it would work in certain hardware so average users will know where they can provide their effort better.
    3. Project developers should know how to communicate with their volunteers properly to avoid any mishap. (like certain optical galaxy survey project that didn't taste well for some of us)
     
    Thebobo, TennesseeTony and iwajabitw like this.
  12. petrusbroder

    petrusbroder Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    12,898
    Likes Received:
    255
    Just to remind you all: here is a list of published scientific papers from BOINC-projects:
    http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Publications_by_BOINC_projects, between 2001 and 2016: 166 papers.

    Rosetta has published 155 papers, towards a total of 321 papers in peer reviewed journals.

    Then you have to add all the non-BOINC-papers, such as folding@home: 189 papers in peer reviewed journals.

    Then you have to add all those publications about volunteer computing ...

    At least 510 scientific publications and that is a low count ...
     
    ao_ika_red, TennesseeTony and Thebobo like this.
  13. Thebobo

    Thebobo Lifer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2006
    Messages:
    10,759
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    Just wondering are there some projects that just don't need data to be processed/crunched anymore? I'll Admit I really don't know what seti is doing in regards to what I processes other than it's suppose to help them. Is it possible that there is no more backlogs of data on certain projects? Guess I need to do some searching.
     
  14. Ken g6

    Ken g6 Programming Moderator, Elite Member
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 1999
    Messages:
    12,958
    Likes Received:
    432
    POGS seems to be one that doesn't really need more crunchers, as discussed in another thread. They could deploy a GPU client but then they'd quickly have no more work and no more funding.

    I used to hear SETI didn't have enough work, but I'm not sure if that's still true.

    Then you can get into arguing about whether a project's work is worthwhile. For instance the infinite monkeys project is pretty dumb. And Peter Wanless' Mersenne project was debunked by a professional mathematician. But beyond that it's mostly a matter of what you think is important.
     
    Thebobo likes this.
  15. ao_ika_red

    ao_ika_red Senior member

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2016
    Messages:
    214
    Likes Received:
    62
    In my opinion, seti's lack of papers is because we're looking for something that nearly impossible to find and there's no reason to publish something each year that basically keep telling people that we don't find what we're looking for just yet. Some of my "conservative" friends even laughed at me because they still don't believe there's any living things beyond Earth. But I believe that as long as Arecibo and other radio telescopes keep churning out raw data to digest, we still have hope that we're not alone.

    I even remember that at some point the government want to cut Arecibo's funding for some reasons. I hope it would never happen and if somehow we find something significant from Arecibo, it should boost Arecibo's funding.
     
  16. Thebobo

    Thebobo Lifer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2006
    Messages:
    10,759
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    And then there is the Breakthrough Listen project. Is it part of Seti or competing projects? I'm kinda confused about the relationship if any. They have been in the news about their discovery of a distant galaxy sending out 15 high-energy radio bursts.
     
  17. [H]Coleslaw

    [H]Coleslaw Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    6
    Breakthrough Listen is not exactly "part" of SETI but rather SETI is working WITH them.
    https://seti.berkeley.edu/listen/

    And for those looking for answers, very few projects have ever done much outside of writing research papers that get published in peer review journals for anything more than to get continued funding. That funding goes to continue their careers. Very few can actually tie real world results to the work we do. However, WCG has reported results from some of the sub projects they have hosted that directly spawns from our contributions. Yes PrimeGrid and other math projects could claim results but seriously...what good are those results? Some say they "could" be used in encryption. But, who would admit what prime is being used? Want a map of the Universe? Sure, it can be done but what is the real benefit? It's not like we are going to colonize any of it. That would break international treaties...
     
  18. Markfw

    Markfw CPU Moderator VC&G Moderator Elite Member
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    May 16, 2002
    Messages:
    14,933
    Likes Received:
    1,623
    F@H has some real findings. They actually can cure at least one kind of cancer. The problem is that its one million a treatment, and takes MANY treatments to cure it, but it can be done. At least thats what I got from reading it.
     
  19. [H]Coleslaw

    [H]Coleslaw Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2014
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    6
    Got a link? It would be good reading. :)
     
  20. Markfw

    Markfw CPU Moderator VC&G Moderator Elite Member
    Super Moderator

    Joined:
    May 16, 2002
    Messages:
    14,933
    Likes Received:
    1,623
    I looked, but I can't find a good source right now, I just remember reading it somewhere months ago.

    But this is the good old standby.... http://folding.stanford.edu/papers-results/