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For Brits!! Tony Blair- how bad off is he?

Hayabusa Rider

Hayabusa Rider

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So many here look at foreign leaders as servants of the US. If they sit up pretty for us they are a good leader- for the US. Blair though seems as if he is choosing the US over his own people. Now maybe it isnt true, and the political situation is more complicated in any country than shown on US TV, but from what is shown it appears to be the case

Blair has open rebellion in his own party. Is he a viable leader?

If not, what is the proceedure for removal?

Who do you think would be elected in his place, and how would that change the way your country would officially view the coming war?
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
So many here look at foreign leaders as servants of the US. If they sit up pretty for us they are a good leader- for the US. Blair though seems as if he is choosing the US over his own people. Now maybe it isnt true, and the political situation is more complicated in any country than shown on US TV, but from what is shown it appears to be the case

Blair has open rebellion in his own party. Is he a viable leader?
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Here are some links about recent "rebellions"

BBC rebellion link
BBC rebellion link.

He is still a viable leader, but if the UN resolution doesn't go through - or is ignored (even in the case of a veto) then his position will become very procarious indeed.

If not, what is the proceedure for removal?
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I think you need 20% of his parlimentary MP's to express dissent in order to spark a leadership challenge. This is not the case - yet.

Who do you think would be elected in his place, and how would that change the way your country would officially view the coming war?
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Who knows, there are a couple of candidates, due to their seniority - but no one really stands out as an obvious replacement.

Andy
 
It seems that he is the position of having support from outside his party. Supporting war would be supporting an opposition party. If this is true, I would not want to be him. He seems to be in the toughest spot of any of the leaders involved in this.
 
Yeah, he's in a bad spot, and yes it will get worse before it gets better, but I think that he'll ride this one through. The next election is going to be interesting though: he can't blame everything on the legacy of the tories any more, and a lot of people are starting to forget why they hated them so much. Of course, it does help Blair that they can't seem to find an effective leader to save their lives... Whether you agree with Blair's policies or not, he is a very good politician, and overall he's done a pretty good job so far. This war is certainly his biggest test and problem. If a war is avoided then he can probably escape the worst of the flak (he could even say that he was a moderating voice on bush, although its doubtful too many would believe this any more). If a war happens, well, Britain tends to get solidly behind its leaders in wartime, and if the war is a success (pretty likely) and they can find some sort of evidence that Sadaam was a 'bad man' afterwards (and I'd be very,very surprised if they aren't able to prove something like this) then its likely that people will forget the opposition now, and only remember the success...

Thats just the voters, though. Amongst his fellow MPs it could be very different
 
Better to be buddy buddy with Dubya, then admit time and time again, that I have an empty scrotum and have sold all my views, dignity and respect to a mass murdering madman for oil contracts.


but that's just me.
 
Originally posted by: dpm
Yeah, he's in a bad spot, and yes it will get worse before it gets better, but I think that he'll ride this one through. The next election is going to be interesting though: he can't blame everything on the legacy of the tories any more, and a lot of people are starting to forget why they hated them so much. Of course, it does help Blair that they can't seem to find an effective leader to save their lives... Whether you agree with Blair's policies or not, he is a very good politician, and overall he's done a pretty good job so far. This war is certainly his biggest test and problem. If a war is avoided then he can probably escape the worst of the flak (he could even say that he was a moderating voice on bush, although its doubtful too many would believe this any more). If a war happens, well, Britain tends to get solidly behind its leaders in wartime, and if the war is a success (pretty likely) and they can find some sort of evidence that Sadaam was a 'bad man' afterwards (and I'd be very,very surprised if they aren't able to prove something like this) then its likely that people will forget the opposition now, and only remember the success...

Thats just the voters, though. Amongst his fellow MPs it could be very different
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Support for Blair will increase once the shooting starts. I do believe that we would be shooting now if it werent for you guys. In the US polls suggest that support for the war is on the rise. I don't believe there has been a massive reconsideration of the situation, but rather the resignation to the fact war begins soon. People will line up behind their leaders when they sense this.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Better to be buddy buddy with Dubya, then admit time and time again, that I have an empty scrotum and have sold all my views, dignity and respect to a mass murdering madman for oil contracts.


but that's just me.
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Politics overseas is as complicated as here. Actually often moreso. As an example I put forward Yemen. They support the US, but why? That is a long tale full of twists. Blair may be concerned about going against the US, but I do not think he fears us. Things are certain to be more complicated there.
 
After losing the British Empire and roughing it thru 2 world wars, whatever Blair does pales in comparison. That stiff British upper lip will prevail thru thick and thin, so will Blair.
 
The same can't happen to Bush soon enough. We are scrambling our asses to save Blair and maybe he's even trying to save ours. I'm gonna chuckle by butt off if Saddam goes on TV, says he was a bad boy and promises to be good and we pack up and go home claiming a tremendous victory. If nothing else, this iraqi thingi has been tremendously educational. Paul Harvey was reduced to idiocy today making fun of the 5 or 6 tiny countries we need for a majority. The poor agogant but hole couldn't contain his contempt for a system like the house and senet where the World Body tries to level the playing fienl between the 5 permanent members and a rotation for the rest of the world. Outrageous that California and Nevada both have two Senators. Horrible.

Piss on the democrats and the liberals in England for their ME TO war mongering.
 
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