For all you real Obama supporters (and Pabster)

[Nebor]

http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

 

[miketheidiot]

:roll:

 

[punchkin]

Hmm. Well, it merely says "sale or transfer". But it is certainly no way to respect gun rights to let people own only front-loading muskets.

 

[nageov3t]

in so far as positions go, Obama is more or less 100% in line with every other mainstream democrat.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

This is a Supreme court issue, not one for the Executive Branch, so I'm not too worried about it. While I disagree with his stance on the issue, completely, I just don't see any president ever being successful in banning semi-automatic handguns.

You have hit on the very nature of my support for Obama - that is, his stances on individual issues that differ from my own don't bother me. I see the power of the President as very weak compared to the Legislative and Judicial branches. Therefore, a candidate's character is much more important to me than his personal line-item agenda - and I happen to see Obama as one of the only candidates we have who has any true character left.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

Obama did not grow up in inner-city Chicago.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

This is a Supreme court issue, not one for the Executive Branch, so I'm not too worried about it. While I disagree with his stance on the issue, completely, I just don't see any president ever being successful in banning semi-automatic handguns.

You have hit on the very nature of my support for Obama - that is, his stances on individual issues that differ from my own don't bother me. I see the power of the President as very weak compared to the Legislative and Judicial branches. Therefore, a candidate's character is much more important to me than his personal line-item agenda - and I happen to see Obama as one of the only candidates we have who has any true character left.

Sure, it'll be another 50 years before we lose our semi-automatic handguns. But semi-automatic rifles are in very real danger of being banned. They've already been banned once, and we narrowly escaped the renewal of that ban. Another mass shooting with an "assault rifle" and we could see 50 million semi-automatic rifles being "Bought back" for destruction by the government. And if a Democratic Congress is elected, a principaled executive who believes in the right of the people to keep and bear arms will be all that stands between us and them.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

Obama did not grow up in inner-city Chicago.

Sorry, inner-city Atlanta.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

Obama did not grow up in inner-city Chicago.

Sorry, inner-city Atlanta.

I think that he grew up in Hawaii with a short stint in Indonesia.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

Obama did not grow up in inner-city Chicago.

Sorry, inner-city Atlanta.

you mean upper middle-class Hawaii?

 

[NoStateofMind]

When neocons go out of their way to support a democrat, the red flags turn into red neon lights.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
:roll:

Excellent response to someone wanting to outlaw billions of dollars worth of american property, criminalize millions of Americans, and cross out a piece of the bill of rights.

The only thing I can figure is that growing up in inner city Chicago warped his brain into actually believing guns were bad.

did you even read your own post?

 

[Pabster]

A President alone can do nothing.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Pabster
A President alone can do nothing.

:thumbsup:

That goes for about everything.

 

[Taejin]

AS LONG AS I HAVE MY GUNS I DONT FCKING CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS COUNTRY GUNGUNGSUNGSUNGSUNGSUNGSUGNSUGNSUNSGUSNGSUNGAOFKASJGLKAJFSL KJNSL C

 

[Fern]

Nebor

You just finding out that he's a Dem?

No doubt if the Dems gain the Presidency and more control in the Legislative branch we'll see more gun control legislation.

The wild card is the upcoming SCOTUS case.

Fern

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Pabster
A President alone can do nothing.

Oh ok, cool then. I'd like you to start supporting Hillary now. Since it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Oh ok, cool then. I'd like you to start supporting Hillary now. Since it doesn't matter anyway.

:laugh:

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

This is a Supreme court issue, not one for the Executive Branch, so I'm not too worried about it. While I disagree with his stance on the issue, completely, I just don't see any president ever being successful in banning semi-automatic handguns.

You have hit on the very nature of my support for Obama - that is, his stances on individual issues that differ from my own don't bother me. I see the power of the President as very weak compared to the Legislative and Judicial branches. Therefore, a candidate's character is much more important to me than his personal line-item agenda - and I happen to see Obama as one of the only candidates we have who has any true character left.

One of the very few times I agree with palehorse.

 

[Thump553]

I'm with Obama on this issue.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

All it says is that you have the right to arm bears!

 

[K1052]

Hopefully the Supreme Court will come back with a decision that strongly protects private gun ownership from the DC case they're going to hear. If that happens it gets a hell of a lot harder for Congress to mess around. The Executive branch doesn't have a lot of influence on this matter.

Hillary's positions on "gun control" are actually more concerning IMO since they the kind of incremental increase on restrictions that take guns from the law abiding and put them at a disadvantage. That tactic had been a relatively successful one over the last 20 or so years.

 

[FoBoT]

the president can't pass legislation on his own and the courts still have a say

you can always stock up on guns/ammo before the law goes into affect

the POTUS doesn't have a real control of a lot of issues that they talk about

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.ontheissues.org/Dom...bama_Gun_Control.htm#1

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.

That is out and out rediculous. You're talking about banning approximately 70% of the firearms in the US. Virtually all handguns. Assault rifles. Shotguns. Hunting rifles. Ruger 10\22s.

Completely and totally unacceptable. If he wants to play Lincoln that way, we can go ahead and have another civil war. :thumbsdown:

Welcome to the Democratic Party circa uh 1980s and onwards. Its never going to happen. Because they dont have a strong enough majority, and a good deal of their House members won't be able to go along with it and maintain their seat. Job #1 for House members is staying a House member, there are far to many moderate dems in very competitve House districts that cannot afford to vote yes on anymore gun control.