For all you Hummer Haters.....

[MooseKnuckle]

I like the looks of H3T

 

[tk149]

What gets me is when I see H2's cruising around downtown Chicago.

A. What's the point? Our potholes are not THAT big.
B. I have no experience driving one of those things, but they cannot be easy to maneuver around in tight city traffic.
C. Where the heck do they park these things? Many garages have a low ceiling height, and I can't even imagine trying to parallel park one of these things without destroying the subcompact car behind you.
D. The mileage must be like 5 MPG in the city.

😕

 

[moonshinemadness]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever
And FYI, the US only uses 3% of its fuel from Iraq, and that is something that can be replaced very easily

Bwahahaha....whoever wrote this is an idiot, since when have we been able to replace fossil fuels 'Easily'? What crack are they smoking.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: tk149
What gets me is when I see H2's cruising around downtown Chicago.

A. What's the point? Our potholes are not THAT big.
B. I have no experience driving one of those things, but they cannot be easy to maneuver around in tight city traffic.
C. Where the heck do they park these things? Many garages have a low ceiling height, and I can't even imagine trying to parallel park one of these things without destroying the subcompact car behind you.
D. The mileage must be like 5 MPG in the city.

😕

What's the point of anything? If everyone just bought what they NEEDED, then EVERYONE would be driving around town in a Civic or a minivan.

It is NOT that hard to fit in a parking spot, especialy when parelleling. It is only 189 inches long, making it just as long as a Honda Accord is. It's also just 77 inches high, which makes it just as tall as a mid-sized SUV like an Explorer.

And when buying a $60,000+ vehicle, I don't think an extra couple hundred dollars for gas a year will make any difference.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: shady06



subjective in the sense that its a poseur vehicle

what the milage on the H2? fueleconomy.gov has a suburban listed @ 10/14 (city/highway).

edit: i cant get any info on the 2003/2004 H2 model but according to this site (http://www.hboss.net/4runner/a01dec02.htm), the 2002 gets 13/17 (city/highway) which is BETTER than K1500 Yukon XL 4WD, K1500 Yukon AWD FFV, K1500 Avalanche 4WD FFV, K1500 Suburban 4WD FFV, K1500 Tahoe 4WD FFV

as far as high center of gravity, well yes but it applies to a lot SUVs, not just the H2 (and for people who put those MONSTER tires on their pick up trucks)

no, a jeep wrangler is subjective as a poser vehicle because it's capable of backing up it's looks. the H2 couldn't back up it's look even you wanted to, so it has other purpose but to pose.

car and driver lists the H2 as 10 MPG city, and you can get suburbans equipped to get 16 MPG city, again from car and driver.

sure, center of gravity applies to all SUV's and big trucks. but just because there are other unsafe cars out there doesn't make the H2 any safer.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? The H2 is one of the best off roaders money can buy.

From Edmunds:

The H2's off-road prowess is easily the best in its class, with steep approach and departure angles, plenty of ground clearance and ample wheel travel. Power from the big V8 is watered down by the vehicle's substantial mass.

 

[MikeMike]

hey, my father may drive our avalanche around town by himself. however, we have a 23' trailer, which is used for towing 4-wheelers. about 4 of them, our lawn mower, and hopefully sometime a classic car.

MIKE

 

[Turin39789]

h2 is definetly a poseur vehicle.

Proof is that my brother and I had to get out the winch on his weak little 4 cylinder jeep wrangler and pull one out of a shallow stream we had just went through after the h2 got hopelessly stuck

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Syringer

And when buying a $60,000+ vehicle, I don't think an extra couple hundred dollars for gas a year will make any difference.

Just for the record so you understand this arguement....no one, absolutely no one is saying that the gas consumption is unaffordable....the problem is the resources. Being able to afford to just throw away food doesn't make it right either.

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[Syringer]

Then no one should drive. We should all take buses. Do you take the bus to school/work? If not, why, and what do you drive?

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Then no one should drive. We should all take buses. Do you take the bus to school/work? If not, why, and what do you drive?

there isnt a bus line to where i work, but if i am going anywhere within a few miles I bike, or catch a bus if im heading out drinking

 

[Tetsuo]

I don't hate "hummers" 😉

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Then no one should drive. We should all take buses. Do you take the bus to school/work? If not, why, and what do you drive?

?!? so you are going to play the 'short bus' or are truly from the short bus?

There is a big difference in driving a vehicle that just consumes a little gas and one that is pretty much a danger to any other vehicle, totally blocks the view of anyone else in parking, driving, and passing, weighs far more than needed, totally over consumes fuel for it's performance, and is just over-glorification of the SUV craze.

To answer what I drive well while in Gainesville, I biked to school even in temps of the low teens....now I work from home....my next car I plan on another 4 cylinder though and turbo charging it....it just makes sense to me now, although simply buying either a Mustang or Camaro would be a cheaper alternative and yield more power....there is more to a car than power alone. I had two really nice Mustangs, but then I have gone with smaller displacements and discovered how lesser power with a lighter curb wieght = more performance.

I used to use the train when I dated a girl about 3 hours from my house and went to see her on the weekends, and I try to limit some excesses yet still have fun. Taking the bus I have also done and it made it easier to catch the train (didn't have to worry having my car parked at the airport/bus stop for 2-3 days+).

My biggest gripes with LARGE vehicle drivers is if you seriously talk to them, they don't take the stance that they need to drive safer, they take the stance that it doesn't matter as long as they end up ok. They think if they do rearend a smaller car that it's the smaller cars fault for stopping, they think if they sideswipe another it's the other persons fault for being in their blind spots, if they back into someone else ditto....fortunately they get a rude awakening when the tickets are issued. You really don't here many stories of 'Hey this sport compact/4 door sedan/light pickup truck/suv rearended my Tahoe/Excursion/H1-H2/etc' but you do hear A LOT of the vice-versa.

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[Syringer]

Wow, insults, generalizations, and half assed assumptions. Three great ingredients for an "intelligent" conversation.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Wow, insults, generalizations, and half assed assumptions. Three great ingredients for an "intelligent" conversation.

no assumptions or generalizations needed.

Do some news searches and you tell me if the # of large vehicles that rear end others and/or run them off the road is not EXTREMELY out of whack in comparision to the contrary. Here in South Florida, almost any time I am on the roadways you will see some little car like a honda, vw, mustang, etc totally mangled by a large truck or SUV with the driver still on the phone and their 1-2 kids running around the accident scene as paramedics are trying to free the other driver.

There is a reason this 'stereotype' is so deeply seated in our society.

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[bozack]

I think there are many issues at work here...

First off I think for the Buyers of H2s they have the income, either that or they like the status, the live in the here and now and are only concerned with their lives (you only live once so live it up) and don't think much about the future or other generations, etc etc etc....

for those who hate the H2 I think it is also a combination of things, however I think primarily many are annoyed with 1. the fact that it is played out or too popular in too short of a time, that they are expensive and many cannot afford so jealousy is a factor and also the environmental/resource consumption concern which goes hand in hand with owners attitudes of not giving a rats ass....

while I don't hate the H2 I also wouldn't buy one simply because it is a gas hog....if they were more economical and fuel efficient I would have no issue with them, whether it be price or performance as long as the DOT doesn't.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: tk149
What gets me is when I see H2's cruising around downtown Chicago.

A. What's the point? Our potholes are not THAT big.
B. I have no experience driving one of those things, but they cannot be easy to maneuver around in tight city traffic.
C. Where the heck do they park these things? Many garages have a low ceiling height, and I can't even imagine trying to parallel park one of these things without destroying the subcompact car behind you.
D. The mileage must be like 5 MPG in the city.

😕

What's the point of anything? If everyone just bought what they NEEDED, then EVERYONE would be driving around town in a Civic or a minivan.

It is NOT that hard to fit in a parking spot, especialy when parelleling. It is only 189 inches long, making it just as long as a Honda Accord is. It's also just 77 inches high, which makes it just as tall as a mid-sized SUV like an Explorer.

And when buying a $60,000+ vehicle, I don't think an extra couple hundred dollars for gas a year will make any difference.

Just to clarify: To parallel park, you have to be able to see the vehicle behind you, so you don't run into it. Are you telling me that it's not hard to parallel park an H2 in front of a Z3 in a city-sized parking spot (i.e. small)?

I'm not saying it's wrong or evil to drive an H2. I do question the judgment of someone who chooses to drive one of these in the city. It's completely impractical, and anyone who can afford one of these things almost undoubtedly has another (smaller) vehicle.