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football team refuses to show up for game/practice

waggy

waggy

No Lifer
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1816632-grambling-football-team-refuses-to-play-game-due-to-state-of-program?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

The turmoil surrounding Grambling State University reached new heights on Friday, as the players on the 0-7 football team have reportedly refused to play their next game this week vs. Jackson State.



ok when i first started reading my first thought was . fuck them. kick them all off the team and ask for others to join. i'm sure they will get a full roster. they can't do worse then the team they have.

then read about a tweet

REPORT: The football team wants the mold and mildew to be removed from locker room, weight room to be ventilated properly.... (cont'd)

well shit..ok. yeah Fuck mold and mildew and the weight room not ventilated? ewww not healthy at all.

In addition to the school's football and academic facilities being in horrendous shape, players are forced to take buses to games that are over 600 miles away, which is draining their players before they ever step foot on the field:

ohh. yeah they have a point on that..

The team has also complained of missing meals on road trips.

Per Dohrmann's report, state funding for the university has dropped from $31.6 million to $13.8 million since 2007-08, and in recent years, the football program has run a deficit over $1 million.

Over 100 staff members have been laid off since 2008.

Put it all together, and players and students alike are fed up. Grambling students rallied earlier this week on campus to air their grievances about the university as a whole. They also declared that they stand by the football team.


WTF..wow sounds like its a shithole of a school and the team is trying to get the word out and do what it can. This at least is making notional news and maybe something will change.

what a piss poor managed school..good for those kids standing up for something.
 
Why should the state pay for them to have a football team? Isn't the point of college supposed to be education? Call me crazy, but if your funding gets cut by 2/3rds, the first programs whose budgets you slash are the non-academic programs, especially the one that is being linked more and more often with long-term brain damage. I love football, but it's hardly essential, and the state/school shouldn't be dumping money into keeping it afloat at the expense of actual educational initiatives.
 
Grambling needs to go away anyways. Terrible school, terrible town. "Education" there is essentially selling diplomas. The town is a poverty stricken, crime ridden ghetto. The state of Louisiana needs to just let this one go.

I don't feel sorry for the players in any way simply for the fact that I disagree with sports being so co-mingled with education anyways, from elementary through college. Schools need to return to being schools, and if people want to play sports in their free time have at it.
 
What's their excuse for getting creamed in home games? It's not travel and it's not missed meals. Maybe they just suck.


Time for Grambling to dump football, if you can't afford to run a decent program it's better to not have a program. For most schools football loses money, so what's the point?
 
Yeah, well the problem with getting rid of the football program is that it will turn into a racial issue. A historical black college being forced to cut their football programs while other non-historical black college's get to keep theirs. The argument will be that they do not get the same level of funding as other schools. Plus, there's the old Eddie Robinson was the winningest coach in D1 history, so you can't shut down the program argument.
 
waggy said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2

The turmoil surrounding Grambling State University reached new heights on Friday, as the players on the 0-7 football team have reportedly refused to play their next game this week vs. Jackson State.



ok when i first started reading my first thought was . fuck them. kick them all off the team and ask for others to join. i'm sure they will get a full roster. they can't do worse then the team they have.

then read about a tweet ...

ohh. yeah they have a point on that...
Put it all together, and players and students alike are fed up. Grambling students rallied earlier this week on campus to air their grievances about the university as a whole. They also declared that they stand by the football team.


WTF..wow sounds like its a shithole of a school and the team is trying to get the word out and do what it can. This at least is making notional news and maybe something will change.

what a piss poor managed school..good for those kids standing up for something.
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Its a shame. I'm not personally familiar with that school. But I know that they have a long football tradition.

What is a college football team now? Between sixty-five and a hundred players?

These are young people that have worked to get into shape. Have sacrificed to get to practice and made a major commitment to the sport.

I suspect that anything that would turn all of these young people off and cause them not to show up for a game would have to be a serious, most likely systemic, problem.

Full disclosure, I got my first college degree, in part, because of a soccer scholarship. Can't imagine anything like this happening on any team that I ever played with...

Best of luck to the young men on the team! Hope that something gets worked out to their satisfaction.

Uno
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Why should the state pay for them to have a football team? Isn't the point of college supposed to be education? Call me crazy, but if your funding gets cut by 2/3rds, the first programs whose budgets you slash are the non-academic programs, especially the one that is being linked more and more often with long-term brain damage. I love football, but it's hardly essential, and the state/school shouldn't be dumping money into keeping it afloat at the expense of actual educational initiatives.
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I disagree. Properly managed, sports teams can provide a good source of revenue/alumni donation to a school.

Additionally, extra curricular activities offer a lot to students in terms of character building and personality expansion.

Personally, I'd prefer to see useless programs like philosophy, women's studies, religious education, and other programs that lead to people who are less qualified to wait tables than high school drop-outs.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Why should the state pay for them to have a football team? Isn't the point of college supposed to be education? Call me crazy, but if your funding gets cut by 2/3rds, the first programs whose budgets you slash are the non-academic programs, especially the one that is being linked more and more often with long-term brain damage. I love football, but it's hardly essential, and the state/school shouldn't be dumping money into keeping it afloat at the expense of actual educational initiatives.
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Football earns money for the schools. There is a reason why the school gets fined $20,000 for not showing up to this game. Most colleges have some sort of TV deal and lots of merchandise to sell.
 
VulgarDisplay said:
Football earns money for the schools. There is a reason why the school gets fined $20,000 for not showing up to this game. Most colleges have some sort of TV deal and lots of merchandise to sell.
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Don't talk about things you don't understand. For the VAST majority of schools the football team is a money pit. If you don't have a giant TV contract like Texas and Notre Dame you have to rely on fundraising to have a football team because not only does it not make money, it doesn't even pay for itself.
 
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GagHalfrunt said:
Don't talk about things you don't understand. For the VAST majority of schools the football team is a money pit. If you don't have a giant TV contract like Texas and Notre Dame you have to rely on fundraising to have a football team because not only does it not make money, it doesn't even pay for itself.
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I read somewhere that only around 14 division 1 football programs make a profit.
 
MetalMat said:
I read somewhere that only around 14 division 1 football programs make a profit.
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It might be more than that now with the new super-conferences creating bigger contracts that trickle money into more programs. But even so, I'd be surprised if it was more than 25 that earn a penny over expenses. The rest lose money and have to resort to boosters with deep pockets and other fund-raising methods to survive. Some resort to dumping other sports programs in order to keep money flowing to football which pisses the money away. Recently Maryland (big program, big conference) cut EIGHT varsity sports because football was losing so much money. But it still kept football.
 
MetalMat said:
I read somewhere that only around 14 division 1 football programs make a profit.
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not true, you are thinking of school athletics as a whole. I think as far as just football is concerned, 60-70 schools make a profit, but only around 15 make a profit from the entire athletic budget since outside of football/basketball/and baseball for a select few schools, every other sport loses money for the school. Football just subsidies them.
 
Nintendesert said:
Time to get rid of the program. It's only costing the school money anyways.
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Sports as a whole cost more than they bring in at the majority of schools. And the ones that do make a profit make it due to being able to play other schools that do not.

So if losing money was reason to shut down a sports program there be a LOT less out there.


Of course in this case it sounds like the sports program has been run into the ground a long time ago not only due to money issues.
 
drebo said:
Personally, I'd prefer to see useless programs like philosophy, women's studies, religious education, and other programs that lead to people who are less qualified to wait tables than high school drop-outs.
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If you get rid of all the "useless" programs what will the football players major in? :sneaky:
 
arkcom said:
If you get rid of all the "useless" programs what will the football players major in? :sneaky:
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Seriously, that ^

Colleges sponsoring sports really isn't so bad, even if it does cost them some money. But let's look at what our colleges and universities have collectively done recently. They, institutions of learning, basically built their entire sports culture around something known to make people fucking stupid. They actively recruit people specifically to play that sport, people that we all already know are generally pretty fucking stupid. When those people failed to meed actual academic requirements they added a bunch of BS classes (and even entire majors) that any concussion-riddled dipshit can faceroll through until graduation. First money is spent on this sport, and its budget is the last to be cut; academics, faculty, even necessary maintenance are all ignored for the sake of this sport's budget.

I know everyone knows all of that; but for some reason we like to pretend we don't. We like to pretend that we're shocked when star college athletes can't get a real job and go on to live pathetic lives, and we like to pretend we're shocked when a local college is about to go under, raising tuition and laying off faculty... as they unroll new turf onto the field. We all know that, but we don't give a fuck as long as we have our proud tradition and its entertaining brain injuries.
 
MikeyLSU said:
not true, you are thinking of school athletics as a whole. I think as far as just football is concerned, 60-70 schools make a profit, but only around 15 make a profit from the entire athletic budget since outside of football/basketball/and baseball for a select few schools, every other sport loses money for the school. Football just subsidies them.
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Not even close.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html

Try a total of 22 schools making a profit on football.
 
CPA said:
Yeah, well the problem with getting rid of the football program is that it will turn into a racial issue. A historical black college being forced to cut their football programs while other non-historical black college's get to keep theirs. The argument will be that they do not get the same level of funding as other schools. Plus, there's the old Eddie Robinson was the winningest coach in D1 history, so you can't shut down the program argument.
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unokitty said:
Its a shame. I'm not personally familiar with that school. But I know that they have a long football tradition.

What is a college football team now? Between sixty-five and a hundred players?

These are young people that have worked to get into shape. Have sacrificed to get to practice and made a major commitment to the sport.

I suspect that anything that would turn all of these young people off and cause them not to show up for a game would have to be a serious, most likely systemic, problem.

Full disclosure, I got my first college degree, in part, because of a soccer scholarship. Can't imagine anything like this happening on any team that I ever played with...

Best of luck to the young men on the team! Hope that something gets worked out to their satisfaction.

Uno
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Fair point, but back when the University of Chicago dissolved its football program, when was this, 1960ish?, they were also a historic team at that point--National Championship(s), the first Heisman winner, and it wasn't a budget issue. It was the University president deciding to axe all sports simply because he declared sports "useless."

If Grambling needs to cut the football team due to budget, I think it would be something that people adjust to, eventually. Its been done before.

That being said, I don't think anyone but themselves can force them to end the team. If they are advised to do it and they make the decision themselves, it would be difficult to make this into a race issue.
 
Nintendesert said:
Not even close.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html

Try a total of 22 schools making a profit on football.
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Not even close.

It's a fun game to play, taking your football money and sinking it back into your 'football' facilities so that they can be used for more than football while your program appears to not turn a profit. The only schools who claim profits are the ones who make so much money there's simply no way to hide it all.
 
Nintendesert said:
Not even close.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/06/22_college_football_programs_m.html

Try a total of 22 schools making a profit on football.
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I think that the above figures are for 2009. But the 2012 figures aren't much different:

Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy...
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For the vast majority of NCAA Division 1 programs, the fact is that football is a huge black hole financially.

Though, the problems at Gambling don't appear to be primarily financial...

Uno
 
Yep, colleges don't make money on Football. And, Star Wars Episode IV never earned a profit either.
/fancy accounting.

Look at the budgets that are claimed at some schools - you really think they're spending $50k (or significantly more) per player??
 
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