Fooling around with uncle's Rebel XT

PHiuR

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if i was going to take a pic of the glass, i'd clean it and make it shiney first.
 

PurdueRy

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only one I like is Light and Shadow although it still appears to be overexposed on the rim...

Also the field of focus is not very deep as the glass appears hazy while the wood is sharp.

but who am I? I don't claim to be perfect
 

UlricT

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Just saw the glass sitting there, and the lighting seemed nice... didnt have time to clean em :)
 

paulney

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Brasso - out of focus, blurry. Low light - get a tripod, set aperture at a higher value and focus.
Light and shadow - glass is out of focus. Focus on the rim and set aperture at a higher value. You'll need tripod.
An evening drink - front half of the glass it thrown out of focus. Look up the rule of thumb about focus planes :)
Freaky fish - not bad.
Inverted waterfall - technically - ok, but artistically - wtf? :)
 

UlricT

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Originally posted by: paulney
Brasso - out of focus, blurry. Low light - get a tripod, set aperture at a higher value and focus.
Light and shadow - glass is out of focus. Focus on the rim and set aperture at a higher value. You'll need tripod.
An evening drink - front half of the glass it thrown out of focus. Look up the rule of thumb about focus planes :)
Freaky fish - not bad.
Inverted waterfall - technically - ok, but artistically - wtf? :)


Thanks for the comments paulney... will be picking up a tripod once I get my own camera. Will look up focus planes... any websites you might recommend?

BTW, this is only the 2nd time I have used this camera (1st time was at a party somewhere), and the waterfall is for a rasterbation project.
 

OdiN

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Well...I'm going to be pretty harsh...but I think I have earned the right to criticize.

Exposure is off in most, white balance is off in all of them. You can easily correct white balance issues if you shoot in RAW which I recommend doing. Focus and depth of field could use work. If you are just starting out taking photos...well then practice practice practice :)

Here's some of my pictures...mostly before final pre-print editing:


Meadow - Near Mt. Shasta, CA

Mt. Shasta

Mountain Moon - Death Valley

Panamint Mountains

Fireworks


EDIT - This is with a Canon 20D btw...pretty close to the XT. Also...if you have any questions on photography for me, I'd be happy to help if I can.
 

UlricT

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Originally posted by: OdiN
Well...I'm going to be pretty harsh...but I think I have earned the right to criticize.

Exposure is off in most, white balance is off in all of them. You can easily correct white balance issues if you shoot in RAW which I recommend doing. Focus and depth of field could use work. If you are just starting out taking photos...well then practice practice practice :)

Here's some of my pictures...mostly before final pre-print editing:


Meadow - Near Mt. Shasta, CA

Mt. Shasta

Mountain Moon - Death Valley

Panamint Mountains

Fireworks


EDIT - This is with a Canon 20D btw...pretty close to the XT. Also...if you have any questions on photography for me, I'd be happy to help if I can.


wow Odin, those are some GREAT shots! I know I need a lot more practice with the camera, and will get a LOT once I pick up my own during the holidays (hopefully). I have never taken landscape photographs. BTW Mountain Moon - Death Valley looks really familiar. I could swear I have used that picture as a wallpaper.
 

OdiN

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Originally posted by: UlricT



wow Odin, those are some GREAT shots! I know I need a lot more practice with the camera, and will get a LOT once I pick up my own during the holidays (hopefully). I have never taken landscape photographs. BTW Mountain Moon - Death Valley looks really familiar. I could swear I have used that picture as a wallpaper.


Thanks :) Always nice to get compliments...I can be pretty critical of my own work too!

And...well I only captured that image earlier this year....April or May I believe. The wallpaper you may be thinking of is the one that comes with like Windows ME (for the first time I think) that has a mountain with a moon over it, which btw the moon in that one is so edited because it's not nearly that big in real life. But yes I have seen that wallpaper.

My shot is actually 2 seperate exposures blended in photoshop because as it was the moon was too bright to expose for the sky/mountains so I had to expose for the sky and mountains, then expose for the moon and blend the shots together. I use a tripod for almost everything I shoot except for some weddings and portraits depending on what I'm doing. But ALL my landscape stuff is done from a tripod.

Get a tripod..for one they slow you down so you can focus more on what you are doing. Over the time spent taking photos I have learned what to keep an eye on...what settings I can change just by moving around with the camera and not noticing and learning to be sure to check those things.

I haven't had any formal photography training...and am looking into getting a degree to advance my skill. All that I have learned has been from reading books, internet sites..and mainly just getting up and getting out and doing it. I recommend joining some forums such as www.photography-on-the.net (I am a member there) and looking at other pictures to get ideas and to learn how things work and most important - to ask questions.
 

OdiN

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Oh...and another critical thing. You NEED to have Photoshop and you NEED to learn how to use it. Especially doing digital photography it's simply a must for getting good images. Pretty much every image I shoot I will go through and adjust white balance to get it just right, then I will adjust contrast and color saturation. Then do color correction and levels adjustments. After that I go and look for any artifacts left by dust on the cameras sensor or lens (which happens...nothing you can do about it but clean the thing). After that...I crop if necessary (though with my landscape work I try my best to crop it in-camera) and send it off for printing. More stuff is involved with portraits like removing blemishes, etc.

All the pictures I posted had only white balance and contrast corrections. Little if any other editing, and all except the fireworks shot are how they camer out of the camera with no cropping.
 

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Originally posted by: UlricT
Didn't have anything better to do today, so was muckin about with a Rebel XT and PS. Lemme know what you think. Am thinking about getting into Photography (with a capital P), but have had very little experience.

OK, here are the pics (forgive the wierd res):
Brasso
Light and Shadow
An Evening Drink
Freaky Fish
Inverted Waterfall <-- That one is chopped
First of all, thank you for sharing your experience and your pics!

Some good points are made above. I'm in the mood to type a little so I'll share what's on my mind, if you don't mind.

Reducing your aperture shortens the depth of field (DOF). Conversely, increasing your aperture lengthens your DOF. Field being the amount of a subject near to far that is in focus. For the pictures you've taken, unless you want portions of your subject to be out of focus while some parts are in focus you'll want to increase your aperture (higher f/number) to get more of your subject sharp.

Using "Brasso" as an example:
If only the very front of the brass is desired to be in focus than leave the f as it is and try one of two things; 1) increase shutter time longer than 8 seconds 2) increase ISO from 400 to 800. Increasing the shutter time allows in more light. Increasing ISO allows the image sensor to capture the image with existing light albeit at the expense of digital noise (equivalent of film grain). The Rebel XT has very good image processing though so shooting at ISO 800 shouldn't be an issue. A timed picture, use of mirror lockup and or using a remote release are critical to a sharp picture in long exposure. Anyway, those suggestions will bring more light into your scene. But if you don't get the camera on solid footing it won't really matter what your settings are.

Personally, I'd play with the aperture until I get the DOF I want; usually the whole subject in focus with the intent of throwing the background out of focus. Then I'd determine which ISO I can shoot at and be comfortable with the noise level (if any). Usually, a person tries to use the lowest ISO setting possible because the lower ISO speed gives you greater flexibility with aperture and shutter speed. Finally I would play with the shutter speed until I got the right amount of light into my image. You may have to adjust shutter and ISO anyway just to get enough light into the scene to determine DOF in the first place but being that it's a 'still shot' you can play with the different ways there are to do that. There's only one way to determine how much of your subject from front to back is in focus though; so play with the aperture to get the DOF you like from the git go. It's all about getting light into the sensor and the trade off's that each setting will require of others to get it there. You just have to figure out which aspect is the most critical and then tinker with the other settings to support that aspect.

As is mentioned, white balance could use some attention though even that is subjective depending on what you like to look at. Canon does pretty good with the white balance presets so I'd at least take it off auto and use whichever one is close to the condition you're in. It really does make a difference. If you're into Photoshop, you can shoot your images in Canon's RAW format and adjust white balance in post processing; though IMO it's better to leave that until you know more about the front end of digital photography. You can still adjust white balance to a small degree if shooting in jpeg but you don't have the flexibility that you do in RAW. RAW also requires conversion to jpeg or tiff as part of the post process so there's more to it than just saying you have more flexibility with RAW images.

Your images were taken on the following settings:

1. Brasso: f/3.5, ISO 400, 8 seconds at 18mm.
2. Light & Shadow: f/4.5, ISO 400, 1/20th second at 31mm.
3. Evening Drink: f/4.5, ISO 400, 1/40th second at 28mm.
4. Freaky Fish: f/5.6, ISO 400, 1/40th second at 55mm.

Based on the numbers I'll assume the lens in use is the 18-55mm kit lens which has a minimum aperture range of f/3.5-5.6. At 18mm the maximum aperture is f/3.5. At 55mm the maximum aperture is f/5.6. Being able to zoom is nice, however it's important to note that your f/stop may change as you do so. If shooting at your your lens' maximum aperture you will need to consider shutter speed and or ISO as you move through the zoom range. If your aperture setting is below the maximum range already then there's nothing to worry about.

* A tripod, timed shot, mirror lockup and remote shutter release are by themselves important and can be used effectively together to stabilize a shot. Bottom line, a solid platform is critical.

** With the Brass and glass shots I'd increase your aperture to get the DOF you like, using shutter speed and ISO to allow enough light into the scene.

*** Of the Koi, the Lilypad is in focus but the fish are blurred. If you want the fish sharper, a faster shutter speed is required. A faster shutter means less light gets in, so an increase in ISO speed is required or a decrease in aperture is in order; sometimes both in order to compensate.

As OdiN mentioned, POTN is a good place to learn photoraphy. Friendly bunch over there. fredmiranda.com is another good site, exceptional images and informative forum.

I'm pleased to edit my post if need be if I've mixed my meanings or transposed my definitions. I'm known to get them wrong. But my meds have given me the mindset to write tonight so here ya go. I'm also adept at hacking a simple explanation so just posit a question mark and someone will likely come along in short order and tidy up ;)

Cheers!