Follow up to Bin Laden Tape

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-5570983,00.html

Bush: Bin Laden Should Be Taken Seriously

Thursday January 26, 2006 12:48 AM


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By NEDRA PICKLER

Associated Press Writer

FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) - President Bush, defending the government's secret surveillance program, said Wednesday that Americans should take Osama bin Laden seriously when he says he's going to attack again.

``When he says he's going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it,'' Bush told reporters after visiting the top-secret National Security Agency where the surveillance program is based. ``I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously.''

It was Bush's first comment about bin Laden since the al-Qaida leader warned in a tape aired last week that his fighters are preparing new attacks in the United States. Bin Laden offered a truce, without specifying the conditions, and the White House responded that the United States would never negotiate with the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Bush's NSA visit was part of an aggressive administration effort to defend the surveillance program. Experts and lawmakers from both parties have questioned whether it's legal for the government to listen to conversations in the United States without a warrant, which the administration could get through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Four leading Democratic senators wrote Bush Wednesday saying they support efforts to do everything possible within the law to combat terrorism, but that the NSA program is an ``apparent violation of federal law.''

``If you or officials in your administration believe that FISA, or any law, does not give you enough authority to combat terrorism, you should propose changes in the law to Congress,'' wrote Sens. Harry Reid, Edward Kennedy, Richard Durbin and Russ Feingold. ``You may not simply disregard the law.''

Reporters traveling with the president were only allowed to see a few minutes of Bush's NSA tour, as he walked through the high-tech Threat Operations Center where intelligence experts monitor Internet traffic. He spoke to reporters from a podium set up in a hallway after completing his tour, but did not take questions.

In keeping with the NSA's secrecy, reporters were required to leave their cell phones, pagers, laptops and wireless e-mail devices outside the complex. The White House negotiated so that the journalists could bring in cameras and video equipment, but they were allowed only to take photos of the president, not the inside or outside of the facility itself.

Bush said the NSA program is limited to communications between the United States and people overseas who are linked to al-Qaida. He said it has helped prevent terrorist attacks and save American lives, although the government has not given any specifics.

Bush urged that people ``listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously.''

His critics say the law requires him to get permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to eavesdrop on communications involving Americans.

``Obviously, I support tracking down terrorists,'' Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., said in a speech Wednesday. ``I think that's our obligation. But I think it can be done in a lawful way.''

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said the administration should have asked Congress to change the law if it wanted additional surveillance powers.

``Instead, a top lawyer in the Bush administration did just the opposite,'' Leahy said Wednesday, circulating 2002 testimony from a Justice Department official who said the administration had no position on a bill that would have made it easier to get warrants from the FISA court.

Bush said he had the legal right to do whatever he could to prevent further attacks and that the NSA program ``is fully consistent with our nation's laws and Constitution.''

``I'll continue to reauthorize this program for so long as our country faces a continuing threat from al-Qaida and related groups,'' Bush said.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said he's eager to learn more. Asked on NBC's ``Today'' show, if Bush broke the law, McCain replied: ``I don't know. I want to be perfectly clear. I don't know the answer.''

Soooo after continuesly dismissing Bin Laden as a threat.. now he is using this fake tape to justify the NSA spying program. Honestly, this only lends support to the fact the tape was fake. Bin Laden seems to only come out of hiding when Bush needs some more fear.
 

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Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.

That'd be bad, if it were true. Perhaps you missed the last Bin Laden tape where he cited certain of John Kerry's anti-war rhetoric?
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.

That'd be bad, if it were true. Perhaps you missed the last Bin Laden tape where he cited certain of John Kerry's anti-war rhetoric?

Yeah, how convenient. Frankly, I think the tape was a fraud.
 

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.

That'd be bad, if it were true. Perhaps you missed the last Bin Laden tape where he cited certain of John Kerry's anti-war rhetoric?

Yeah, how convenient. Frankly, I think the tape was a fraud.


QFT
 

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what kind of disgusting messsage is this from bush? bin laden says hes going to f' us up so we had better believe him? christ..talk about lakc of american spirit
 

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
what kind of disgusting messsage is this from bush? bin laden says hes going to f' us up so we had better believe him? christ..talk about lakc of american spirit

It's called "Wag The Dog".

The media is swarming over lobbyist scandals and NSA violations of privacy, so you give them something else to worry about while giving your agenda justification.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The tape was confirmed a fraud here.

Ok, so some "analysis" commissioned by a French TV station is to believed?

I like this quote: "Officials at the institute could not be reached for comment late today..."

I'm not surprised.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The tape was confirmed a fraud here.

Ok, so some "analysis" commissioned by a French TV station is to believed?

Yeah God forbid anything non-American be correct...

I, personally, like the comparing to "some 20 earlier recordings attributed to bin Laden" part of it. I mean, but then again, I'm obviously talking to someone who doesn't understand facts.

 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.

That'd be bad, if it were true. Perhaps you missed the last Bin Laden tape where he cited certain of John Kerry's anti-war rhetoric?

Actually, that seems like proof of what Hayabusa Rider said. After all, what could be more damaging to John Kerry (and helpful to Bush) than to hear the head terrorist supporting Kerry's points. I especially liked how bin Laden suggested we should vote for Kerry in 2004. Republicans jumped on that as proof that Kerry is a terrorist loving traitor, but it makes me wonder...that little stunt couldn't have helped Bush any more if Karl Rove had planned it.

Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Bin Laden and Bush have this weird symbiotic relationship. Each seems to need the other to serve as Satan and promote their agendas.

That'd be bad, if it were true. Perhaps you missed the last Bin Laden tape where he cited certain of John Kerry's anti-war rhetoric?

I have no idea if the tape is genuine or not, and frankly it's of no consequence. Bin Laden sees Bush as a Satanic figure. I dare say that Bush's opinion of Bin Laden is not much higher.

To disprove my claim, just find where they speak glowingly of each other. Care to try? Na, didn't think so. Also, as you would be glad to point out, Bush is the maniac in the driver's seat, not Kerry. Kerry isn't CIC. Bush is.

In little bits then.

Bin Laden can use Bush as a poster child for his cause. From his perspective, GWB is evil. It's an easy sell for his crowd.

Bush uses whoever he can. When Bush was pushing for war with Iraq, he spoke of Bin Laden and Saddam over and over and over again, obviously in an attempt to link the two. Bin Laden became of little consequence until the NSA incident, and he now is useful again to promote Bush's agenda.



These two use each other. It's not the first time in history, and not the last, but it's so obvious as to be painful.

Further, I agree with Rainsford. Mentioning Kerry's name is as sure to stir the Republican pot (who are in power for the moment) as Saddam or Bin Laden himself. People such as you will then drag the opposing party into it in an effort to both discredit them and build up Bush. Come to think of it, Bin Laden is a gift to you too. It allows you to bash those against this administrations policies. Again, painfully obvious but at times it works.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.

Rainsford used the wrong tense. They did wonders. Bush's approval ratings? Pretty high you recall. The difference now is that the hens have come home to roost.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.

What are you basing that on? I think it's pretty clear, from a large number of polls, including those following the 2004 election, that Bush's main (only?) strength is that he's "strong on terror". Without that threat looming over the heads of people, I seriously doubt Bush would have won the 2004 election. Among people who had concerns other than terrorism as their main issue, the majority went to Kerry, except for the "moral values" voters. Assuming a proportional distribution of the terrorism voters to the other issues, Kerry would have mopped the floor with Bush. Not only would Bush's approval rating not be 30 points higher, he wouldn't HAVE an approval rating, because he probably wouldn't be President.

But hey, I always love to be proven wrong...so go ahead.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.

Rainsford used the wrong tense. They did wonders. Bush's approval ratings? Pretty high you recall. The difference now is that the hens have come home to roost.

Maybe, although I tend to think what approval rating he does still have is due to the ghost of 9/11 and the fear of the terrorist mastermind still out there. The damage is what Bush himself has done, terrorism is the only thing keeping him above water at all.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.

More liberal conspiracy theories. Is that all you can come up with these days?

 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The tape was confirmed a fraud here.

Confirmed my ass. You are being manipulative when you use that word. Disagreement amongst different bodies as to the veracity of the tape is more accurate.

You should read that thread about partisans with an inability for objective thought.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.




And FDR benefited tremendously from the Great Depression and Hiter/Mussolini/Hirohito... Give me a break
 

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.

Rainsford used the wrong tense. They did wonders. Bush's approval ratings? Pretty high you recall. The difference now is that the hens have come home to roost.

Maybe, although I tend to think what approval rating he does still have is due to the ghost of 9/11 and the fear of the terrorist mastermind still out there. The damage is what Bush himself has done, terrorism is the only thing keeping him above water at all.

It is hard to say. Without 9/11 there would have been no Iraq War. Without the war there would be no NSA wiretapping, no call to arrest people without trial or charges. No patriotic fervor.
Without 9/11, the things Bush calls for would never have happened. Who can say how popular he would be?
 

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.

Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.




And FDR benefited tremendously from the Great Depression and Hiter/Mussolini/Hirohito... Give me a break

True, FDR did. The difference is FDR benefited. Bush capitalized on 9/11, using it as psychological leverage for his war on Iraq. 9/11 was a useful tool.
 

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.

More liberal conspiracy theories. Is that all you can come up with these days?


Actually, his approval ratings pre-9/11 are what we like to call "facts." Care to dispute anything there? Didn't think so.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Makes you wonder, at least, bin Laden and 9/11 have certainly done wonders for Bush's popularity.
Right. Bush's approval ratings would likely be 30 points higher if it weren't for 9/11 and what has followed. Sure blows that theory up.
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.
And FDR benefited tremendously from the Great Depression and Hiter/Mussolini/Hirohito... Give me a break
Why don't you explain that to Pabster since he is the one crying about how 9/11 hurt Bush. (Thought I'd give you a clue instead. :roll: )

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Here are a few more facts for you to run from: Bush's pre-9/11 performance was dismal, and there were several scandals swirling around the White House. His approval rating was only a few points higher than today, and it was trending downwards. It jumped 36 points immediately after 9/11. OBL is the best thing to ever happen to GWB, and vise-versa. If OBL didn't exist already, Karl Rove would have invented him.
More liberal conspiracy theories. Is that all you can come up with these days?
Actually, his approval ratings pre-9/11 are what we like to call "facts." Care to dispute anything there? Didn't think so.
Exactly. What was that quote about "forum troll" and running? Run, Sir Pabsie, run. :laugh: