Folding @ Home: Stats

[natethegreat]

Welcome to TeAm AnandTech F@H

Everyone please welcome Chris_Lucas, ournewest member!

Production=54,314

Active Users=187

New Milestones

Name----------------|-----------------Milestone
______________________________________
wbresson.....................................180,000
Electrode.....................................180,000
Insidious......................................160,000
bruce.cowan.................................140,000
Andrew_Medley............................120,000
mytime34.....................................100,000
JoshLiechty...................................100,000
LastKnight....................................100,000
Gokie...........................................100,000
lmadern........................................80,000
buddry.........................................80,000
DainBramaged..............................70,000
Moltres.........................................70,000
Uppsala9496.................................60,000
MAGratton....................................60,000
mike9o........................................50,000
HappyCracker..............................50,000
RabidJade....................................40,000
snoopydk.....................................20,000
bugsysiegel..................................10,000
ToeRag........................................5,000
kmmatney....................................1,000
______________________________________

Congrats to the milestone makers! :beer::beer:

Challenge Stats:
(c'mon, you know there is someone you want to race)

Rank______Name__________Points Today___Points Total

Mad Dash to Quad Century Mark
09..................RustyNale.................605......................380,570
11..................Martin_Trevino.........1,155....................341,849

54,314 Points today for a total of 18,492,656. Production is dipping a bit, but is still very high Everyone please bear with me as I get everything back in order I should have the stats back in tip-top shape shortly. On a sad note my wife lost her Grandmother this weekend so I may not be able to do the stats on wed. or thurs.

If I have missed anything or if you have any comments or suggestions, let me know.

Useful getting started info can be found here: ProviaFan's FAQ and MDE's Start-up Guide Join TeAm AT F@H, We could use your help

New users will not appear until they have submitted a work unit under team #198

Milestones are as follows: 1,000, 5,000, 10,000, from 10,000 to 100,000 will be every 10k, and every 20K after 100,000. After 200,000 milestones will be given at 50k intervals

 

[ICXRa]

Welcome to TeAm F@H Chris_Lucas it is great to have you folding with us! :beer:

Congrats to our milestone makers!

Thanks for the stats nate!!!

 

[saxophonoia]

Thanks for the stats.

 

[Smacktard]

Congrats to the MMs!

A big thanks to Nate for his stats and sorry to hear about the passing of your wife's Grandmother.

Hate to tell the group, but The Poopflingers have banana blockage in their lower intestine so we won?t be flinging too much poop in the immediate future. Rest assured, the spirits of my ancestors, Dr. Zaius, Cornelius and Zira will guide us in these troubled times. And with a little luck, we may be able to get this obstacle outta our system in a month or two.

May Semos be with us all?

 

[Insidious]

Never fear poopies.... there will be a page in the BIG book for you!

Welcome to the TeAm Chris_Lucas

-Sid

Thanks for the Stats Nate! (Sorry to hear for your wife's loss)

 

[trevinom]

Originally posted by: Smacktard
Congrats to the MMs!

A big thanks to Nate for his stats and sorry to hear about the passing of your wife's Grandmother.

Hate to tell the group, but The Poopflingers have banana blockage in their lower intestine so we won?t be flinging too much poop in the immediate future. Rest assured, the spirits of my ancestors, Dr. Zaius, Cornelius and Zira will guide us in these troubled times. And with a little luck, we may be able to get this obstacle outta our system in a month or two.

May Semos be with us all?

*scratching his head*
...hhmmm, yea, what he said.

Congrats to all MM's and welcome to F@H Lucas.

 

[bluestrobe]

Thanks for the stats.

 

[GLeeM]

Thanks Nathan! Don't worry about us, you take care of yourself and your family.

Welcome to the TeAm, Chris_Lucas If you have any questions or need any help, just ask.

Congratulations to the Milestone Makers!

Gokie, welcome to the 100K Club

mitchell_hollberg, welcome to the 75K Club

Vexx, welcome to the 50K Club

jpunzel, welcome to the 25K Club

Thanks for the boost, Poopflingers!
Hope you can do it again soon

@kmmatney & Insidious and anyone else that wants to know about bonus WUs
See this thread for info on your posts in yesterdays thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...?catid=39&threadid=1591589&STARTPAGE=1

 

[Insidious]

Thanks for the link Gleem :beer:

It was that thread that alerted me to the fact that if I don't have the right brand of CPU, I can put in the same or more resources (speed/RAM/bandwidth) but receive only 1/2 the credit of those that own a system built with the brand of CPU F@H has chosen to help market. (That must have been one big research grant from Intel)

AMD is (IMO) the clear choice for my hardware needs and if F@H wants to discourage use of systems based on this CPU it is certainly their choice..... BUT

Sadly, if this (or any) DC project decides to shun my particular resources (AXP) the choice would be obvious. I am hanging on for a while to see if this inequity is permanent, but will not be switching to Intel products just to make a DC project "like me".

-Sid

 

[lmadern]

Sorry hear about your Grandmother Nate. Best Wishes.

smacktard we sure will miss the crazy numbers that your poopflingers were tossing out. Hope to see you back.

Sid I hear what you're saying. Amd is my proc of choice as well but right now I'm only folding with 2 of my work computers which both happen to be HT P4's so it's not an issue for me.

I had to stop running F@H on my OC'd Sempron at home. It was just getting too hot. Maybe I need to get me a water cooling setup.

 

[Uppsala9496]

Sorry to hear for the loss nate.


I see that poopflingers have taken some time off........our stats just went back in the toilet.

 

[ProviaFan]

I've been with F@H so long that at this point, nothing short of Mr. Pande coming out and telling the AMD users to #$%& off because "their inferior CPUs are hindering the science" (like someone did here one time when they were evidently trying to get less-than-1GHz CPUs onto another project of their personal preference) will cause me to leave.

However, I can understand the WU frustration; something that people used to do when there was a big disparity of performance in opposite directions with two different projects, was to "trade" - you would crunch X@H under my name on your superior-for-that-project CPU, and I would crunch Y@H under your name on my superior-for-the-other-project CPU. This only really works when both of the parties involved gain more performance from the virtual CPU swap, of course, but if the points are that much of an issue, it could be something to think about.

 

[Gravity]

Well, I would have rather the team benefited and personally been steamrolled by poopflingers then have their production drop off.

I'm still tweaking and adding boxes so hopefully, we can continue to produce and pass some teams this fall.

keep folding!!

Gravity

 

[MDE]

Sid, ProviaFan, what did I miss?

 

[Insidious]

@MDE

they've got these Work Units called QMD (or something like that) which are only assigned to machines with CPUs that use the SSE3 instruction set. (pentium for sure and maybe A64 (I don't know))

What you might have missed is that they assigned point values to these work units that are double, tripple and in some cases even quadruple the values (per time to crunch) the other work units that non-"special" machines can get.

So even though I am providing bandwidth, ram and processing on a par with these "annointed" machines, I get MUCH MUCH lower PPD for my efforts.

I have read esoteric arguments that I should "care about the science... not the PPD", but that is BS (IMO). I DO care about the points and object to this inequity.

So they can either give me the opportunity to get the same acknowledgement for my contributions as others get, or they can count me out. Not that I believe they would care if every AXP system left their project.... It appears that is what they want. Such is life.

-Sid

(do I hear TAS calling my name? )

 

[MDE]

QMD units require SSE2 not SSE3. I guess this does answer why my A64s aren't getting them but my P4 can't get anything but them...

 

[Insidious]

I looked on the F@H FAQ section about QMD work units and they are promising to add A64 "soon". The FAQ was last updated in February. (you're right it is SSE2 not 3)

-Sid

 

[JeffCos]

Ok, well i'm not picky about projects as long as they have a societal benefit. I like the people in this thread more than I actually like F@H. So if we're going to drop out of F@H because of their ignorance of AMD chips then we should all go to the same project and fold there and really kick some ass. Who here already does Find-a-drug because that's where i'd go.

 

[trevinom]

Originally posted by: JeffCos
Ok, well i'm not picky about projects as long as they have a societal benefit. I like the people in this thread more than I actually like F@H. So if we're going to drop out of F@H because of their ignorance of AMD chips then we should all go to the same project and fold there and really kick some ass. Who here already does Find-a-drug because that's where i'd go.

All of my machines are AMD based. I don't use any Intel except for my company-assigned laptop and my computer at work. I second Jeff and think that if enough people believe the way Insidious, myself and others do and we vote our mind by switching projects, they will fix the inequalities associated with this situation.

 

[GLeeM]

If the CPU has SSE3 the log says it is being used.

I think part of the problem is they were having trouble with the client knowing the different AMD CPUs and which has and which doesn't have SSE2 or something like that. I sorta remember reading something to that effect.

You definately don't want a QMD on a computer without SSE2 boost, you will get lower ppd. They seem to want to test this new technology, but if they gave QMDs to everyone (even those without SSE2) they would really have an uproar with people losing ppd and the WU taking up 327MB peak memory usage and 200+ MB directory size.

It looks like very few people are choosing to run these. If you look at the server status web page there are always ~17,000 WUs available.

These are similar to last summers Double Gromacs WUs in that they are benchmarked without using SSE2/3. Except that QMD are BigWUs, so they get that bonus and the SSE2/3 boost.

The reason you will get "esoteric arguments" about the "science" is that PandeGroup et al only care about the science and how they can get the quickest results for their research. They don't fully understand how a cruncher thinks and that they created this game we play. To them it is not a game

To them we should be good little donators (like if someone donated money) and only care that they use our donation to the best of their ability and get some useable results (cures).

They can't fathom that we can get more from DC than just the science. DC projects really need a PR person that understands crunchers.

 

[MDE]

It's not hard to see which AMD CPUs have SSE2. If a program like CPU-Z can read all of the flags from the CPU that tell whether or not a feature is present, why can't F@H do the same? Even if they don't want to go that far, just let Athlon 64s and Opterons run QMD units then.

We should send an email, or even better, snail mail, letter as a TEAM to the <insert inflammatory name here>s at F@H and tell them that we want a fair shake or else. We could even try to get a couple other teams with a heavy amount of AMD crunchers to join in.

 

[kb3edk]

Originally posted by: trevinom

Originally posted by: JeffCos
Ok, well i'm not picky about projects as long as they have a societal benefit. I like the people in this thread more than I actually like F@H. So if we're going to drop out of F@H because of their ignorance of AMD chips then we should all go to the same project and fold there and really kick some ass. Who here already does Find-a-drug because that's where i'd go.

All of my machines are AMD based. I don't use any Intel except for my company-assigned laptop and my computer at work. I second Jeff and think that if enough people believe the way Insidious, myself and others do and we vote our mind by switching projects, they will fix the inequalities associated with this situation.

I'm with Jeff, Martin, and Insidious on this one... I'm an AMD guy and yes, all my crunchers at home are AMD, my only Intel machine is the one I use at work. And now that I think about it, solidarity with the TeAm trumps any one individual project for me even though 99.5% of my crunching all-time has been for F@H. I thought I wasn't getting QMDs because of randomness, I see now that's not the case.

Do you guys really think we can sway Stanford on this one? I wonder if there's a relevant posting on the Pande Group forums about this.

-Adam in Philly

 

[JeffCos]

Originally posted by: MDE
We could even try to get a couple other teams with a heavy amount of AMD crunchers to join in.

What about OC-AMD from 2CPU.com Folding@home? You'd think he's probably got some.

 

[kb3edk]

Originally posted by: JeffCos

Originally posted by: MDE
We could even try to get a couple other teams with a heavy amount of AMD crunchers to join in.

What about OC-AMD from 2CPU.com Folding@home? You'd think he's probably got some.

Actually, I remember OC-AMD posting a while back in some other forum (I forget if it was Pande Group, or maybe Ars Technica) that the vast majority of his farm is Intel... he basically b0rged his entire workplace which happens to be an Intel-only shop like most corporate concerns. Something on the order of 400+ Xeons I think He adopted his nickname well before that when he was just tinkering around and overclocking an Athlon box he had at home.

So he's not likely to be of much help to us AMD fanboys :roll:

-Adam in Philly

 

[JeffCos]

Originally posted by: kb3edk


Actually, I remember OC-AMD posting a while back in some other forum (I forget if it was Pande Group, or maybe Ars Technica) that the vast majority of his farm is Intel... he basically b0rged his entire workplace which happens to be an Intel-only shop like most corporate concerns. Something on the order of 400+ Xeons I think He adopted his nickname well before that when he was just tinkering around and overclocking an Athlon box he had at home.

So he's not likely to be of much help to us AMD fanboys :roll:

-Adam in Philly

WTF, that misleading son-of-a... Well none of my stuff is AMD either, but I still don't think it's fair that they're picking which processors get the good WU's.