Flying Imams Suing Passengers

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: dna
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[T]he most alarming aspect of the imams' suit is buried in paragraph 21 of their complaint. It describes "John Doe" defendants whose identity the imams' attorneys are still investigating. It reads: "Defendants 'John Does' were passengers ... who contacted U.S. Airways to report the alleged 'suspicious' behavior of Plaintiffs' performing their prayer at the airport terminal."

Paragraph 22 adds: "Plaintiffs will seek leave to amend this Complaint to allege true names, capacities, and circumstances supporting [these defendants'] liability ... at such time as Plaintiffs ascertain the same."

In plain English, the imams plan to sue the "John Does," too.

Who are these unnamed culprits? The complaint describes them as "an older couple who was sitting [near the imams] and purposely turn[ed] around to watch" as they prayed. "The gentleman ('John Doe') in the couple ... picked up his cellular phone and made a phone call while watching the Plaintiffs pray," then "moved to a corner" and "kept talking into his cellular phone."

So, what do you think about this twist?

Seems to me like a case of court jihad.

For some people who were busily "engaged in prayer" the inmans sure seem to be aware of what everybody around them was doing?

<mental note> Remember to be careful about using a cellphone when Muslims are praying.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


I'm sure these folk will get what legal remedy they are entitled to.

Indeed.

Banned from the using the public airways for 5 years would be my idea of a good "legal rememdy"

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Interesting article about CAIR by moderate muslims



Not All Muslims Support CAIR Plan to Sue U.S. Airways on Behalf of Six Imams

MARCH 13, 2007

NOT ALL MUSLIMS SUPPORT CAIR PLAN TO SUE US AIRWAYS on BEHALF of SIX IMAMS

Muslim organization believes that lawsuit filed by CAIR on behalf of local Phoenix imams is wrong for American Muslims and wrong for America.


[PHOENIX, AZ: March 13, 2007]: Wide media attention is being given today to the lawsuit filed by CAIR on behalf of six imams against U.S. Airways for their claims of discrimination against race and religion. Most of the imams are from local mosques here in Phoenix and were removed from a U.S. Airways flight on November 21, 2006 en route to Phoenix from Minneapolis.

AIFD would like the American public to be aware of our following positions representing an alternative voice from the American Muslim community.

1. We will not accept the victimization agenda of organizations like CAIR. Lawsuits like the one announced today exploit the climate of political correctness and at the end of the day are harmful to the Muslim minority in America.

2. Make no mistake, this type of agenda and policy direction of organizations like CAIR only represents its own membership and its own donors. A relatively small percentage of the 5-6 million American Muslims are enrolled as members of CAIR. Recent considerable donations to CAIR upwards of a combined $100 million from foreign nations like Dubai and Saudi Arabia make these types of costly, distractive actions against domestic airlines such as US Airways very concerning in its manifestation of foreign interference.

3. One of the frontlines in the war on terror is at the airports and at the gates. While the imams were clearly removed for their behavior after entering the plane, it should be made clear that many less rigid but equally pious Muslims believe (including 3 out of 6 of the imams for that matter) that the prayer they performed could have been performed upon landing in Phoenix due to travel dispensations in Islam or privately on time while seated on the flight. Muslims believe that God is forgiving and does not expect religion to be "too difficult".

4. While the six imams' handlers, CAIR, and their lawyers may have some kind of obscure basis for their lawsuit, it is our belief that the fallout and publicity from such litigation is wrong for American Muslims, wrong for American security, and wrong for American freedoms. The greatest guarantor of our rights as American Muslims is the tenor of our relationship with the greater majority of American society. This type of litigiousness is divisive and achieves nothing but resentment and actually causes far more harm than good to the overall image of the Muslim community in the eyes of non-Muslim America.

4. It is our hope as Americans and as Muslims that U.S. Airways stand firm in its defense of its actions to have the gentleman removed for concerns regarding their behavior after entering the plane. This is not about race or religion. It is about the privilege to fly securely.

5. The constant exploitation of America's culture of political correctness especially in this setting of what is the most dangerous environment of air travel is out of touch with America's priorities. Such misguided priorities by Muslim activist organizations like CAIR will make the legitimate defense of our civil rights far more difficult when more serious complaints of racism and discrimination are involved. America is quickly becoming numb to their constant refrains and the polls demonstrate the profound ineffectiveness of their tiring campaigns.

6. The organized Muslim community should instead be working on developing a strategic plan to counter militant Islamism within the Muslim community. That would do a lot more to change public opinion than suing the airlines who are trying to keep Americans who travel safe.

How nice, the Democratic process in action where everybody can weigh in with his own opinion and those who think one way can go that way and others who think otherwise can test things in the law. Super, we will resolve our issues by the law. Then if somebody wins you disagree with you can belly ache about how they used the law like the Mafia uses threats. Hehe. I think I will start calling the airport police when I see somebody playing with beads. It could be a fuse. People who smile are hiding something too.

A man was going down a one way street in a car, along came a truck going the wrong way because the driver didn't know the street and was scared and nervous being in an unfamiliar city, but because the man in the car had the right of way he kept going instead of yielding onto the nearest exit. The man said to himself it is my right to go down this street and since I have the right of way I will not stop and be inconvinienced. Needless to say there was an accident and the street was blocked for hours and the car was totalled, but at least the man was right.

No, it is illegal to insist on the right of way. The right of way is a device for social order not an actual right. You do not have a right to the right of way.

 

[1EZduzit]

In the final analysis, it's not wh's right that matters, it's who's left.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam


I'm sure these folk will get what legal remedy they are entitled to.

Indeed.

Banned from the using the public airways for 5 years would be my idea of a good "legal rememdy"

We will see if the court agrees. I'm going to phone in warnings about Nuns counting their rosaries cause I know terrorists count beads.

Surely you can see that what is absurd depends on your knowledge. What level of absurdity are you willing to accept. Are these Imam really mad men insisting on the right of way or are they affirming rights for the future. Do you like the idea that a class of people must live their whole lives constantly under a cloud of suspicion? Does it make you happy to vent frustration such that somebody won't fly for 5 years? I think you are capable of much better than that.

 

[1EZduzit]

I see this more as lighting a match in a theater and then crying fire.

I personally have never flown on a commercial flight, but I can imagine people's paranoia/suspiciousions are already running in overdrive, the last thing that is needed is for people to be purposefully throwing more logs on the fire.

This is not Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, this is a group of people intentionally playing on others fears.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I see this more as lighting a match in a theater and then crying fire.

I personally have never flown on a commercial flight, but I can imagine people's paranoia/suspiciousions are already running in overdrive, the last thing that is needed is for people to be purposefully throwing more logs on the fire.

This is not Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, this is a group of people intentionally playing on others fears.

I don't argue with your opinion or your right to have it. I am saying that there is room for lots and lots of opinions and these Imam may not share yours. You are sure they were out to cause mischief but it is up to the law, in my opinion, to determine this. They have a right to that test. If they do not then the Rosa Parks of tomorrow will not also.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I see this more as lighting a match in a theater and then crying fire.

I personally have never flown on a commercial flight, but I can imagine people's paranoia/suspiciousions are already running in overdrive, the last thing that is needed is for people to be purposefully throwing more logs on the fire.

This is not Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, this is a group of people intentionally playing on others fears.

I don't argue with your opinion or your right to have it. I am saying that there is room for lots and lots of opinions and these Imam may not share yours. You are sure they were out to cause mischief but it is up to the law, in my opinion, to determine this. They have a right to that test. If they do not then the Rosa Parks of tomorrow will not also.

They obviously don's share my opinion. I do think they have the right to the "test", and I also think they are doing as much harm as good, both to their cause and to our system.... especially when they attempt to drag peopele who were making cell phone calls into it. As stupid as it seems to me for them to do decide to pray at that particular time and location, they clearly have that right, but the people have the right to call also? Their right to pray doesn't trump another person's right to use his cellphone or to be suspicous of them and/or their motives/intents?

 

[palehorse]

While I generally believe that the Imams in this case are total asshats, I'm going to have to agree with mango *gasp* and say that the Imams have every right to sue whomever they wish. We must count on our justice system to weed out any ludicrous claims like those described in this lawsuit. Let's face it: Muslims dont have the market cornered on frivolous lawsuits... there are plenty of those to go around!

In other words, while I do think that their charges are completed redonkulous, at least they're using our court system properly, as opposed to bombing schools and trains...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I see this more as lighting a match in a theater and then crying fire.

I personally have never flown on a commercial flight, but I can imagine people's paranoia/suspiciousions are already running in overdrive, the last thing that is needed is for people to be purposefully throwing more logs on the fire.

This is not Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, this is a group of people intentionally playing on others fears.

I don't argue with your opinion or your right to have it. I am saying that there is room for lots and lots of opinions and these Imam may not share yours. You are sure they were out to cause mischief but it is up to the law, in my opinion, to determine this. They have a right to that test. If they do not then the Rosa Parks of tomorrow will not also.

They obviously don's share my opinion. I do think they have the right to the "test", and I also think they are doing as much harm as good, both to their cause and to our system.... especially when they attempt to drag peopele who were making cell phone calls into it. As stupid as it seems to me for them to do decide to pray at that particular time and location, they clearly have that right, but the people have the right to call also? Their right to pray doesn't trump another person's right to use his cellphone or to be suspicous of them and/or their motives/intents?

If I had to bet I would say the courts will agree. There can be no law that some don't try to take advantage of. That does not hurt the law; it affirms it.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Simple intimidation.

There were numerous witness accounts that clearly showed the imans were being disruptive on purpose.

Besides, since when does their religion trump the rights of other people? Oh yeah, its a politically correct one isn't it?

Frankly if any of them are not US citizens they need to be sent home.

 

[Jaskalas]

Moderate Muslims offer to help 'John Does' sued by imams

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070321-120653-3610r.htm

You side with the Moderates who wish to bridge relations and understanding or the Radicals who want to exploit the divide and worsen relations through fear and intimidation?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Moderate Muslims offer to help 'John Does' sued by imams

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070321-120653-3610r.htm

You side with the Moderates who wish to bridge relations and understanding or the Radicals who want to exploit the divide and worsen relations through fear and intimidation?

I'm going to side with the courts.

 

[Socio]

This is nuts if the imams win then anyone who looks the least bit Arab could sue and win in fact they would be no doubt flying in planes on a daily basis for no other reason but to rack up law suits and get rich. Because other passengers will naturally be suspicious of them it is virtually an auto reflex now a day's.

Just two weeks ago I was on an airplane and two Arab looking people boarded and sat down one had an Iraq labeled book in his hand and the other immediately started prayer chanting the moment they sat down and did not stop the whole flight.

Everyone near them kept an eye on them all the way including me. It makes people nervous and rightfully so; in fact it was a three seat row where they were sitting and the person, who was supposed to be sitting in the third seat actually refused to sit there. He requested and got assigned another seat.

Granted it must be very embarrassing for them but if you look of Arab descent and are going to fly on commercial airlines you have to expect this type of behavior with the current state of affairs. All the law suits in the world are not going to change it only time a hell of a lot of time.

 

[dahunan]

Does God really demand that the followers actually pray out loud or demand that followers make physical gestures etc..

IF God is so omnipresent and omnipotent then it can just hear your THOUGHTS .. it doesn't need you to disturb others with your prayers - it is actually RUDE AND OFFENSIVE to pray loudly in a place where people may not want to hear it.. The only exception would be either in a place of like followers or in a state of emergency

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: magomago
So before we totally toss them out - lets pause and look at what dna is bitching about...

Muslims suing someone....

what, is he mad they are working within the legal system that exists? Is he mad that they are using the infrastructure that already exists?

Sounds perfectly American to me. Whether or not their case has merit, the point is look at the means by which they are "fighting back" . Otherwise this biatching is just another lame excuse to complain about Muslims. Do people WANT them to go blow something up instead, so you can continue to emphasize how much "teh ebil" they are?

Please dna...be rational here ~ this is exactly what we Americans (not sure if you are one ) WANT... you can be mad at it, the average American should be happy --> whether or not they agree with the lawsuit.
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As for my actual opinion - lawsuit sounds like some B.S. to me, and in that regard I agree with 1prophet. However - let them sue, let them engage in the courts because this is how we do it in America

He's mad that some Muslims did something they knew would cause problems. How can you not know that a group of Muslims praying in foreign language are praying to allah before they go down in a blaze of glory?

Hmm, 19 muslims hijacked airplanes and killed thousands. It sucks for the muslims that aren't bad people, but the good of the many (American population at large) outweighs the good of the few ( muslims that act like tards in public)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: magomago
So before we totally toss them out - lets pause and look at what dna is bitching about...

Muslims suing someone....

what, is he mad they are working within the legal system that exists? Is he mad that they are using the infrastructure that already exists?

Sounds perfectly American to me. Whether or not their case has merit, the point is look at the means by which they are "fighting back" . Otherwise this biatching is just another lame excuse to complain about Muslims. Do people WANT them to go blow something up instead, so you can continue to emphasize how much "teh ebil" they are?

Please dna...be rational here ~ this is exactly what we Americans (not sure if you are one ) WANT... you can be mad at it, the average American should be happy --> whether or not they agree with the lawsuit.
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As for my actual opinion - lawsuit sounds like some B.S. to me, and in that regard I agree with 1prophet. However - let them sue, let them engage in the courts because this is how we do it in America

He's mad that some Muslims did something they knew would cause problems. How can you not know that a group of Muslims praying in foreign language are praying to allah before they go down in a blaze of glory?

Hmm, 19 muslims hijacked airplanes and killed thousands. It sucks for the muslims that aren't bad people, but the good of the many (American population at large) outweighs the good of the few ( muslims that act like tards in public)

Ah, but the good of the many argument works against your position. It is in the interest of the many to protect the few from the tyranny of the many. That is why we have the country we do and not a communist state or dictatorship you would clearly prefer.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I don't know about these Imams in particular, but how many Imams across the globe have called for the destruction of America...that preach to their flocks that America is the "Great Satan."

They hate America, and everything it stands for, but gee our legal system sure comes in handy sometimes. :roll:

 

[hydroponik]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: dahunan
What if it is proven that they acted like nuts on purpose to intimidate and create fear.. only so they could then sue for cash?

I guess "Imams" don't know about forgiveness!

They do know about suing.

Good Call... Bunch of Fakes.. looking for a payout from the US Legal System

No, what they and terrorist-supporting orgs such as CIAR are looking to do is to remove profiling and scare corporations from reports these types of activities. This way, jihadis can have an easier way to slipping thru the cracks to perform more 9/11 style attacks.

 

[piasabird]

I say we revoke their flying privliges permanently.

They should be thankful the passengers did not kill them.