Florida you are an embarrassment *Recount*

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peonyu

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Lame. I don't know about you, but if I'm given a task to complete by my employer, I'd damn well better get it done...and on time, not whine about an artificial deadline. Geez...no wonder we live in an age of participation trophies. That's the kind of thinking that got us there. Let's not offend anyone by expecting them to get their job done on time. lol

Brenda Snipes needs to go, along with whatever her support structure was that was not pulling its weight. There are people in Broward, Republicans for the most part, who are not even confident enough in her to feel that their vote was counted and not Deep Sixed into the garbage bin.
 

pcgeek11

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Okay I want you to hand count the votes from 100000 ballots in 4 hours.

Are they even jobs? I imagine a lot of people are volunteers.


That doesn't matter. The counting part was done on time.

It isn't the fault of the counters and people doing the grunt work. It is the Supervisor that is responsible to have someone on staff that actually knows how to upload the data when it is ready. That is what a supervisor does, it is their job to coordinate and make sure the bases are covered.

It was the supervision that crapped all over these peoples hard work. The supervision and the processes is what needs to be fired and corrected.
 

dank69

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That doesn't matter. The counting part was done on time.

It isn't the fault of the counters and people doing the grunt work. It is the Supervisor that is responsible to have someone on staff that actually knows how to upload the data when it is ready. That is what a supervisor does, it is their job to coordinate and make sure the bases are covered.

It was the supervision that crapped all over these peoples hard work. The supervision and the processes is what needs to be fired and corrected.
You don't know the situation because you weren't there. What should have been done is let the count take however long it takes. The candidates aren't going to turn into pumpkins at 6pm.
 

realibrad

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You don't know the situation because you weren't there. What should have been done is let the count take however long it takes. The candidates aren't going to turn into pumpkins at 6pm.

What he said is what is being reported here in South FL. So unless you are going to claim fake news, what he said is correct.
 
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realibrad

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Really? They reported that it was a "supervisor's" fault?

Wait, you are disagreeing that a supervisor's job is to supervise? Who do you think is responsible for not having anyone on site that knew how to upload the data?

The reports in the news is that the counting was done, but, that someone did not know how to upload it. That coordination is done by a supervisor and or management of the process no? How is that now the supervisor? Why would you need to have been there?
 
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dank69

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Wait, you are disagreeing that a supervisor's job is to supervise? Who do you think is responsible for not having anyone on site that knew how to upload the data?

The reports in the news is that the counting was done, but, that someone did not know how to upload it. That coordination is done by a supervisor and or management of the process no? How is that now the supervisor? Why would you need to have been there?
Because the fact of the matter is that neither you, nor I, nor pcgeek know the exact chain of command or where or how it broke down. It may have been a collection of volunteers for all we know and the "supervisor," if one existed, may also have been a volunteer. Even if there was a supervisor, they may have asked someone earlier if they knew how to upload the results and that person said yes boss, I know how, only to sit down and find out the whole fucking system changed from the last time they did it.

We do not know exactly what went wrong or who is to blame. One thing we do know is that there was a time limit placed on the whole process that should never have been put in place, assuming people actually care about accurate results.
 

realibrad

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Because the fact of the matter is that neither you, nor I, nor pcgeek know the exact chain of command or where or how it broke down. It may have been a collection of volunteers for all we know and the "supervisor," if one existed, may also have been a volunteer. Even if there was a supervisor, they may have asked someone earlier if they knew how to upload the results and that person said yes boss, I know how, only to sit down and find out the whole fucking system changed from the last time they did it.

We do not know exactly what went wrong or who is to blame. One thing we do know is that there was a time limit placed on the whole process that should never have been put in place, assuming people actually care about accurate results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/us/elections/florida-brenda-snipes-broward-elections-resigns.html

So we have a supervisor, that runs a system that has failed many times. If you want to blame the people under you for a one off, then fine. After seeing things go wrong over and over, I think its reasonable to blame the people at the top.

"As a result of the litany of controversies, Dr. Snipes’s exit did not surprise Broward Democrats on Sunday, even some who defended Dr. Snipes in the past but found it increasingly difficult to do so as the midterm election and recount resulted in one embarrassment after another for the county. No one, however, seemed to expect Dr. Snipes to act so quickly. "

Now, I may not have been there, but I live in South FL. Nobody was all that shocked to see how things went. This person has a bad history, and I think its completely reasonable to think she holds most of the blame here. Your disagreement seems stupid given what is known. Well, unless you believe the news is fake.
 
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dank69

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/us/elections/florida-brenda-snipes-broward-elections-resigns.html

So we have a supervisor, that runs a system that has failed many times. If you want to blame the people under you for a one off, then fine. After seeing things go wrong over and over, I think its reasonable to blame the people at the top.

"As a result of the litany of controversies, Dr. Snipes’s exit did not surprise Broward Democrats on Sunday, even some who defended Dr. Snipes in the past but found it increasingly difficult to do so as the midterm election and recount resulted in one embarrassment after another for the county. No one, however, seemed to expect Dr. Snipes to act so quickly. "

Now, I may not have been there, but I live in South FL. Nobody was all that shocked to see how things went. This person has a bad history, and I think its completely reasonable to think she holds most of the blame here. Your disagreement seems stupid given what is known. Well, unless you believe the news is fake.
That news was printed today. It is the first I am hearing of it. Yeah she obviously was a major problem. It sucks that her incompetence may have cost the Democrats a seat.

Regardless, there is no reason why there should have been a deadline in the first place. Accuracy is more important than speed.
 
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realibrad

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That news was printed today. It is the first I am hearing of it. Yeah she obviously was a major problem. It sucks that her incompetence may have cost the Democrats a seat.

Regardless, there is no reason why there should have been a deadline in the first place. Accuracy is more important than speed.

The deadline is a topic I think that is worth discussing. You were clearly also talking about how it was not the supervisor's fault and it seems pretty clearly it had at least something to do with it. Your reasoning that we were not there seems stupid.
 
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Stokely

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*puke*

Well, the terrified fox-watching old people and rednecks that make up half the population here are bound and determined to kill the thing that keeps this place ticking (at least until climate change renders it uninhabitable)...the environment.

I'm torn between want to get the hell out and wanting to stay to vote against these people. (Actually I'd leave in a heartbeat if it wasn't for family and my wife's home business).
 

hal2kilo

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It's pretty obvious the technique to win in Florida for Republicans is to defund/under fund election boards. They really don't care about democracy. The more obstacles to voting the better. They've been doing the same thing with the IRS for years. Don't even get me going about how Republicans want to screw up the census.
 

dank69

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The deadline is a topic I think that is worth discussing. You were clearly also talking about how it was not the supervisor's fault and it seems pretty clearly it had at least something to do with it. Your reasoning that we were not there seems stupid.
It's stupid to want to wait until all information is in before making a judgment? Okay.
 

Lanyap

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I would be interesting to, in the future, to see their voting profile. Lots of white supremacists in the can. Then on the other hand you have a lot of minorities in jail also.


It will be interesting to see what percentage of ex-felons actually vote. For some reason I can’t see most of them caring about politics.
 

Jaskalas

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*puke*

Well, the terrified fox-watching old people and rednecks that make up half the population here are bound and determined to kill the thing that keeps this place ticking (at least until climate change renders it uninhabitable)...the environment.

I'm torn between want to get the hell out and wanting to stay to vote against these people. (Actually I'd leave in a heartbeat if it wasn't for family and my wife's home business).

I can't tell if that's a statement for Florida, or the United States as a whole. :eek:
 

Jhhnn

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It will be interesting to see what percentage of ex-felons actually vote. For some reason I can’t see most of them caring about politics.

Well, letting ex offenders vote is a Liberal idea, so figure it out from there...
 

Lanyap

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It's stupid to want to wait until all information is in before making a judgment? Okay.


Tell that to the judge who ruled on the deadline. From what I’ve read he previously ruled against Scott on several voter suppression type issues so it does not appear he’s on the republican side.
 

Stokely

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I can't tell if that's a statement for Florida, or the United States as a whole. :eek:

Get out of the cities, and it's the same everywhere.

When it comes to old people though, we are in a class of our own (well, maybe Arizona is up there too?). They watch Fox all day, get angry and terrified, and will basically believe anything they see on Facebook. And they will brave a hurricane and Antifa to vote, unlike the wimpy young voters who are basically giving the oldsters WAY too much voting power.
 

Jhhnn

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Get out of the cities, and it's the same everywhere.

When it comes to old people though, we are in a class of our own (well, maybe Arizona is up there too?). They watch Fox all day, get angry and terrified, and will basically believe anything they see on Facebook. And they will brave a hurricane and Antifa to vote, unlike the wimpy young voters who are basically giving the oldsters WAY too much voting power.

You merely describe a subset of seniors. Yeh, sure, they are who they are but that's far from all of us. It's probably more of a factor in FL & AZ, as you suggest, simply because seniors are a bigger % of the population.

I would also suggest that Boomers are often less conservative than those preceding us because our coming of age & our world view was shaped by the Vietnam war & the counterculture.
 

realibrad

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It's stupid to want to wait until all information is in before making a judgment? Okay.

We already had the information.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article221709445.html

“Basically I just worked my ass off for nothing,” D’Alessandro said. “What caused it was my unfamiliarity with their website.”

What is it exactly the information you were waiting for? The information that she has presided over multiple issues? What was new?
 
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Jhhnn

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realibrad

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The best part is how the GOP did their best to torpedo the recount, then claimed foul when they came out ahead but it didn't quite finish in time. They're utterly shameless.

What do you think they did to torpedo the recount?
 

pcgeek11

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You don't know the situation because you weren't there. What should have been done is let the count take however long it takes. The candidates aren't going to turn into pumpkins at 6pm.


And you were?