Florida, state of emergency declared for white nationalist speech

[Stokely]

Was just listening to NPR talking about colleges, speeches and protests today.

Made me think...what stops, say, the marching band of the school (those that want to protest at least) from setting up just outside the spot and playing the Notre Dame fight song for hours (that would drive me batty, I dislike ND). Or for that matter just loud-ass singing by protesters. You don't get into it with the idiot Nazis, you just drown them out with a smile!

 

[feralkid]

Bloodshed and violence seems to be the cost of doing business for the individuals that long for the current administration to be removed, anyone that voted it into power, and those that don't share the same ideas.[/QUOTE



No, not really; just no tolerance for Nazis.

 

[brandonbull]

So there were 3 groups there, I know this is hard for some so devoted to Trump but stick with me for a minute.

1. Pro Nazis
2. Anti Nazis
3. local bystanders.

So the president's words exactly

I have to assume that you choose to believe that he was referring to 2 and 3 even though 3 was not mentioned nor were they part of the question.
Again: So to remove any confusion can you identify that 2 groups he was referring to?

Ill help with some quotes from Trump and await your take on them:



And a extra credit if you can name the person who said:

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

 

[feralkid]

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

Not really; we just think you are a Nazi sympathizer, among many other unsavory things.

 

[ch33zw1z]

the right got grouped in with nazis when there was a unite the right rally at Charlottesville and all you heard was crickets from the right, and of course the sound of vehicular homicide. having a president calling them fine people didnt help.

 

[1prophet]

You realize that the Illinois Nazis marched in the Blues Brother's movie don't you? They have always marched and only lately have people given a shit.

If you want to be concerned, these marches are NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING compared to what is going on youtube which the alt-right has swarmed. The amount of people they are reaching on that platform is many orders of magnitude larger than these marches involving a hundred or so whack jobs. Actually youtube is overfilled with religious fanatics, racists, conspiracy theorists and every sort of delusional violent sociopathic nutbag you can imagine. I worry about the long term impact of this insanity being readily available to anybody by the simple press of a computer key.

They said the same thing about music, movies, television, pornography, video games, etc. and alot of times it was the religious right looking for some sort of restrictions for the good of society and think of the children.

The free speech restrictions you may think are needed today may very well be the same restrictions someone may use against you.

 

[Commodus]

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

Here's the problem: Trump clearly has racist tendencies (see: scapegoating all Muslims and illegal immigrants, a pathological aversion to condemning racist violence). You may not be racist, but racist tendencies aren't enough of a dealbreaker to preclude you from supporting Trump.

 

[mect]

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

As someone else already stated, if you are at an event and one of the other groups marching with you is Nazis, you fucking leave.

 

[hal2kilo]

They said the same thing about music, movies, television, pornography, video games, etc. and alot of times it was the religious right looking for some sort of restrictions for the good of society and think of the children.

The free speech restrictions you may think are needed today may very well be the same restrictions someone may use against you.

I don't think songs about graphic homosexual antics, are in the same ball park as declaring that your race is superior to another.

 

[SNC]

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

I'm not talking about "people" or the "MSM" I'm talking about the exact words of the President.

"You also had some very fine people on both sides"

You can try to twist the words protesters and anti-protesters into right and left, if you like. It does nothing but make you look as bad as Trump.
To say that every person there was put into 2 groups is a lame ass attempt to give Trump a pass.

At this point, after all he has done and said, if you still support Trump you have to have some racist/supremacist undertones. If you didn't there is no way to still support him unless you have massive blinders or just refuse to believe. Its really that simple.

 

[allisolm]

And after all that, looks like it was a non-event.

"For the most part, demonstrations remained peaceful. A handful of people suffered minor injuries and only two people were arrested."

Although this part was a nice touch:
"As white supremacist leader Richard Spencer prepared to take the stage at the University of Florida, a concert of bells rang through campus leaving a poignant message of unity.
Laura Ellis, a music professor at the university, went up 11 flights of stairs in the school's carillon tower on Thursday to play "Lift Every Voice and Sing," also known as the black national anthem."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/us/university-florida-bell-tower-trnd/index.html

 

[brycejones]

Laura Ellis, a music professor at the university, went up 11 flights of stairs in the school's carillon tower on Thursday to play "Lift Every Voice and Sing," also known as the black national anthem."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/us/university-florida-bell-tower-trnd/index.html

Will Trump tweet about disrespecting the anthem since its different? Only time will tell.

 

[Bitek]

As someone else already stated, if you are at an event and one of the other groups marching with you is Nazis, you fucking leave.

This shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

When you have torch bearing Nazis to your left, Confederate flag waiving KKK to your right, you really need to rethink the choices you've made that brought you to that place.

Leave. Go home. Go to a movie. Go to church. Whatever. It's not the place any decent human being would be.

 

[KMFJD]

University of Florida

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And after all that, looks like it was a non-event.

"For the most part, demonstrations remained peaceful. A handful of people suffered minor injuries and only two people were arrested."

Although this part was a nice touch:
"As white supremacist leader Richard Spencer prepared to take the stage at the University of Florida, a concert of bells rang through campus leaving a poignant message of unity.
Laura Ellis, a music professor at the university, went up 11 flights of stairs in the school's carillon tower on Thursday to play "Lift Every Voice and Sing," also known as the black national anthem."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/us/university-florida-bell-tower-trnd/index.html

Maybe not.

https://thinkprogress.org/white-supremacist-richard-spencer-arrested-74f10096a721/

Following Richard Spencer’s Thursday talk at the University of Florida, a trio of Spencer’s supporters opened fire just outside Gainesville, Fla., during an altercation with those opposing Spencer’s presence.

According to a statement from the Gainesville Police Department, Tyler Tenbrink, William Fears, and Colton Fears – all from Texas – were arrested and charged with attempted homicide. The 28-year-old Tenbrink, encouraged by the Fears brothers, fired into the crowd during an altercation following Spencer’s speech. The bullet missed the counter-protesters and struck a nearby building.

And from Gainesville PD.

28 year old Tyler Tenbrink of Richmond, Texas; 30 year old William Fears and 28 year old Colton Fears of Passadena, Texas are all currently in the Alachua County Jail on charges of Attempted Homicide after an investigation revealed they engaged in an argument with another group of people that turned violent with gunfire. At least two of the three have shown connections to extremist groups. Tenbrink is a convicted felon and faces additional charges of possession of a firearm by convicted felon.

Shortly before 5:30pm, it was reported that a silver Jeep stopped to argue with a group of protesters and began threatening, offering Nazi salutes and shouting chants about Hitler to the group that was near the bus stop. During the altercation, Tenbrink produced a handgun while the Fears brothers encouraged him to shoot at the victims. Tenbrink fired a single shot at the group which thankfully missed the group and struck a nearby building. The suspects then fled in a silver jeep.
One of the victims amazingly remained calm and was able to get the vehicle tag number and reported it immediately to law enforcement. Due to the Richard Spencer event, law enforcement resources from the local, state and Federal level were still operating in “Unified Command” which allowed local investigators and FBI analysts to quickly identify the vehicle and possible occupants. This information was immediately relayed to area law enforcement to look for the vehicle.

Edit: crap didn't go into the Shelbyville thread first. See this was already in there.

 

[brandonbull]

I'm not talking about "people" or the "MSM" I'm talking about the exact words of the President.

"You also had some very fine people on both sides"

You can try to twist the words protesters and anti-protesters into right and left, if you like. It does nothing but make you look as bad as Trump.
To say that every person there was put into 2 groups is a lame ass attempt to give Trump a pass.

At this point, after all he has done and said, if you still support Trump you have to have some racist/supremacist undertones. If you didn't there is no way to still support him unless you have massive blinders or just refuse to believe. Its really that simple.

Did you not see what you just posted? First you stated that there would more than 2 groups but then you followed that up with Trump supporter = racist so as to put people into the same 2 groups. I stated that is what people are doing and you denied my claims by restating what I said? WTF?

 

[SNC]

Did you not see what you just posted? First you stated that there would more than 2 groups but then you followed that up with Trump supporter = racist so as to put people into the same 2 groups. I stated that is what people are doing and you denied my claims by restating what I said? WTF?

No, I didn't. I said there were 3 groups there. It is your guy who said there were 2 groups of folks. You never said what two he was referring to. So that I can clean up my question for you, how many groups of people did you think were there?

 

[brandonbull]

No, I didn't. I said there were 3 groups there. It is your guy who said there were 2 groups of folks. You never said what two he was referring to. So that I can clean up my question for you, how many groups of people did you think were there?

You stated that Trump supporters are racists. What would be the other option? My point is that the popular narrative is there are only 2 groups and you confirmed that with your response.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You stated that Trump supporters are racists. What would be the other option? My point is that the popular narrative is there are only 2 groups and you confirmed that with your response.

drumpf is a racist, he doesn't hide it, he flaunts it and if you support him, you support his ideologies, just sayin'.
carry that water bullshit boy, carry it like the bitch you are.

 

[Jhhnn]

No, I didn't. I said there were 3 groups there. It is your guy who said there were 2 groups of folks. You never said what two he was referring to. So that I can clean up my question for you, how many groups of people did you think were there?

You're confusing the issue by referencing local people who were onlookers rather than protesters & counter protesters.

It seems unlikely that they were pleased to have very fine people marching in their streets bearing White Supremacist & Nazi regalia.

 

[Jhhnn]

You stated that Trump supporters are racists. What would be the other option? My point is that the popular narrative is there are only 2 groups and you confirmed that with your response.

He stated that the defenders of their southern monuments in Charlottesville were racist. I figure if you're not racist then you won't be marching with Nazis & White Supremacists. You'll probably go out of your way to not be associated with them if you have more than shit for brains. YMMV, of course.

 

[cytg111]

As I said in previous postings, people have been grouped into the "Right" bucket or "Left" bucket. The MSM has now decided that the "Right" bucket = Nazis and the "Left" bucket = Not a Nazi. In reality, I'm sure there were several sides or groups or buckets. Since the event was depicted as only having two "sides", I assume Trump felt it would make sense to reference it that way. Do you think some people were there that felt they could play referee and help prevent violence between the actual protesting groups is outside the realm of possible?

That is fairly representative of what is occurring on this board. Certain posters accuse anyone that doesn't hate Trump as being his supporter and in turn a Nazi, those individuals state that is not true, but the same accusers have been deemed the arbiter of who's a Nazi by some higher being so it is true.

How does it go, I have heard this play before... wait a second it is coming back to me... Oh yea, on the subject of muslims, islam and fundementalism. How come all the peace loving muslims is not coming out vocal against their fundamental brothers and sisters? Is it because Islam is a religion of hate and war an that all muslims really wants the same thing? It must be otherwise where are all these moderate muslims? Why is it all crickets?
Fuck man that one bites the right RIGHT in its own fcking ass.. so damn perfect its tasty.
Dude... By your rights own standards.. YOUR standards, if you dont come out vocal against these nazis you problary is one yourself... or a jihadist.. it gets confusing, you know what I mean.
No crickets for you dude.

 

[ch33zw1z]

when your head is planted squarely in an asshole, you cant hear anything but farts.

so theyll continue to not see how very similar conservatives beliefs around the globe are. they just read a different book.

 

[SNC]

You stated that Trump supporters are racists. What would be the other option? My point is that the popular narrative is there are only 2 groups and you confirmed that with your response.

Nope you continue to conflate two issues. Forget what I said in this thread, what I said, typed, thought or believe is irrelevant so please ignore it for the purpose of this question. What 2 groups of people was the president referring to when he said that there were fine people on both sides? He didn't say that there were good people on all sides, or that there were more then two sides, he said both sides.
So, again ignoring my bent, what two sides was the President referring to? To refresh the groups involved in the issue were people protesting the removal of confederate items, those that were anti protesters and the townsfolk who were not part of the news unless they took part in the protest or anti protest. If the President was not referring to the pro's and the a-pro's who exactly, again without referencing my bent on the subject, was he referring to? I really do want you to explain it to me, as a life long Conservative Republican watching Trump makes my stomach turn. It would be nice to find out that he was not saying that there were good people in the Nazi/supremacist gropes, so if you can clear up the two groups he mentioned that would go a long way.