Florida purging mainly minority & poor Democrat voters ahead of 2012 Election

[Lithium381]

Why not just make everyone reregister every 10 years along with the census?

 

[shortylickens]

Its not Floridas fault the majority of illegals arent white.

 

[Craig234]

Its not Floridas fault the majority of illegals arent white.

It is their fault a majority of the LEGAL VOTERS they wrongly purge aren't white.

It is their fault that a majority of the LEGAL VOTERS - tens of thousands - that they wrongly purged in 2000 weren't white.

You are missing the problem - they are purging valid voters, mostly Democrats.

 

[Craig234]

Why not just make everyone reregister every 10 years along with the census?

Because that's not their goal, to have voters registered; quite the opposite. Their goal is to suppress voting by Democrats.

 

[sportage]

Latest news is that Florida is fighting the DOJ.
You know... that same old "Obama's fight against freedom to fight against freedom", argument.
It would be nice for just once if the DOJ tossed his ass in jail.
What the Florida Gov is doing was actually illegal.
1. Using a records database never meant to be used for that purpose.
2. Broke the 90 day restriction law for revising election rules before an election.
3. Thats two counts of felony, for a starter.

This could get very interesting....

 

[manimal]

Latest news is that Florida is fighting the DOJ.
You know... that same old "Obama's fight against freedom to fight against freedom", argument.
It would be nice for just once if the DOJ tossed his ass in jail.
What the Florida Gov is doing was actually illegal.
1. Using a records database never meant to be used for that purpose.
2. Broke the 90 day restriction law for revising election rules before an election.
3. Thats two counts of felony, for a starter.

This could get very interesting....

Rick Scott is Teflon. Guy steals millions and gets a slap on the wrist. Only thing that going after him will do is energize the the base.

 

[Modelworks]

People against voter ID laws are just trying to continue making it easier on people that come here illegally. If you are a legal USA citizen then you already have a state ID or a drivers license, you have to have it, you cannot function in society without some form of photo ID.

Do these people stay at home 24/7 and never go out or do anything but vote ? They never have rented a dvd, never have cashed a check, never have rented a home or apartment, never got utilities like water or electric, never had a job ?

 

[Craig234]

People against voter ID laws are just trying to continue making it easier on people that come here illegally. If you are a legal USA citizen then you already have a state ID or a drivers license, you have to have it, you cannot function in society without some form of photo ID.

Do these people stay at home 24/7 and never go out or do anything but vote ? They never have rented a dvd, never have cashed a check, never have rented a home or apartment, never got utilities like water or electric, never had a job ?

You're igorant.

You just say what you guess is fact.

Here's a really hard bit of research you should have done BEFORE you post:

Google "how many US citizens do not have photo id?"

Now, since you have made it clear you are not concerned with the truth, you won't do it, so here's the first result:

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/voter_id

Studies show that as many as 11 percent of eligible voters do not have government-issued photo ID. That percentage is even higher for seniors, people of color, people with disabilities, low-income voters, and students. Many citizens find it hard to get government photo IDs, because the underlying documentation like birth certificates (the ID one needs to get ID) is often difficult or expensive to come by.

Guess which party most of those 'even higher' groups have?

Hint: Republicans aren't concerned with the six votes out of millions that were suspect in one state's investigation. They're concerned with the hundreds of thousands or more of Democrats they can deny the right to vote to in order to win elections against the public will freeing them to have an agenda that wouldn't get votes.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Based on the article this seems like an effective common sense approach to preventing voter fraud. They are doing it right by sending the people letters way ahead of the election and giving them the opportunity to correct the issue if there is a legitimate mistake. It seems the left opposes any enforcement of voter laws at all. Let's also be honest here, any effort to limit voter fraud by non-citizens will disproportionately effect Hispanics since they are by far the largest immigrant group in the US. That doesn't mean the effort is discriminatory or done out of racism, it's just reality.

 

[Jhhnn]

People against voter ID laws are just trying to continue making it easier on people that come here illegally. If you are a legal USA citizen then you already have a state ID or a drivers license, you have to have it, you cannot function in society without some form of photo ID.

Suppositions not based on facts in evidence. Show me the fraud, then we can talk. "They don't but they could" doesn't accomplish that.

Do these people stay at home 24/7 and never go out or do anything but vote ? They never have rented a dvd, never have cashed a check, never have rented a home or apartment, never got utilities like water or electric, never had a job ?

So what?

In many cases, it's not an issue of "never" having ID, but of having current ID, and of much more stringent requirements to obtain such today.

What's more important- keeping bigfoot out of our livingrooms & illegal voters out of the electoral process, or making sure that every American has the right to vote?

The answer depends on what you want to achieve, and what conservative leaders have always wanted to achieve is the shaping of the electorate to their liking. That never changes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

 

[cybrsage]

You cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol without a photo ID. People who are against needing photo ID to vote obviously feel voting is less important than buying cigarettes and alcohol.

 

[michal1980]

Based on the article this seems like an effective common sense approach to preventing voter fraud. They are doing it right by sending the people letters way ahead of the election and giving them the opportunity to correct the issue if there is a legitimate mistake. It seems the left opposes any enforcement of voter laws at all. Let's also be honest here, any effort to limit voter fraud by non-citizens will disproportionately effect Hispanics since they are by far the largest immigrant group in the US. That doesn't mean the effort is discriminatory or done out of racism, it's just reality.

The left doesn't see it that way.

They have no problems with legal votes being nullified. But try to fix a problem. And OMG its the end of the world because ONE, legal voter might be effected.

So to some up,

Its ok to have tens, or hunderds, or thosands of votes nulifed by illegal voters, but its not ok to inconvince one legal voter.

 

[fskimospy]

The left doesn't see it that way.

They have no problems with legal votes being nullified. But try to fix a problem. And OMG its the end of the world because ONE, legal voter might be effected.

So to some up,

Its ok to have tens, or hunderds, or thosands of votes nulifed by illegal voters, but its not ok to inconvince one legal voter.

Ooh, now there are hundreds or thousands of fraudulent votes being cast! As always there is of course zero evidence to back up this claim, just your imagination. You want to do something which will almost certainly purge legal voters in order to stop a problem that doesn't exist.

The Republican party has a truly abominable record of purposeful voter suppression. You should be ashamed of them, not supporting it. If the only way you can win is to prevent legal people from voting, you don't deserve to win.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...Its ok to have tens, or hunderds, or thosands of votes nulifed by illegal voters, but its not ok to inconvince one legal voter.

I'm getting tired of having to repost this:

For those who want actual numbers:

Brennan Center for Justice statistics on electoral fraud
If the studies cited by the Brennan Center are correct, substantiated voter fraud in the United States since the 2000 elections (inclusive) occurred at a rate <0.0003%, and none of the fraudulent votes detected could have been prevented by the current fad of Voter ID laws.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm getting tired of having to repost this:

For those who want actual numbers:

Brennan Center for Justice statistics on electoral fraud
If the studies cited by the Brennan Center are correct, substantiated voter fraud in the United States since the 2000 elections (inclusive) occurred at a rate <0.0003%, and none of the fraudulent votes detected could have been prevented by the current fad of Voter ID laws.

You realize they don't care about evidence, right? They know in their hearts that voter fraud exists and is happening constantly, no amount of facts to the contrary will convince them otherwise.

You're trying to argue facts, they are arguing faith.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

You realize they don't care about evidence, right? They know in their hearts that voter fraud exists and is happening constantly, no amount of facts to the contrary will convince them otherwise.

You're trying to argue facts, they are arguing faith.

There is a bit of catch-22 in voter fraud data. If our record keeping is sloppy we won't catch a lot of voter fraud even if it exists. Do you think the number of Americans convicted of tax fraud every year is a good proxy for the % of people who cheat on their taxes? By your logic we don't need the IRS since tax fraud isn't a problem either.

Just to be clear, is your argument that we shouldn't take an measures to prevent voter fraud because your interpretation of the data is that it is not a substantial problem?

 

[shortylickens]

It is their fault a majority of the LEGAL VOTERS they wrongly purge aren't white.

It is their fault that a majority of the LEGAL VOTERS - tens of thousands - that they wrongly purged in 2000 weren't white.

You are missing the problem - they are purging valid voters, mostly Democrats.

Yeah but YOU are missing the solution. If the federal government would actually do something about illegals then the states wouldnt have to resort to these measures, whether their intentions are honorable or not.

 

[fskimospy]

There is a bit of catch-22 in voter fraud data. If our record keeping is sloppy we won't catch a lot of voter fraud even if it exists. Do you think the number of Americans convicted of tax fraud every year is a good proxy for the % of people who cheat on their taxes? By your logic we don't need the IRS since tax fraud isn't a problem either.

Just to be clear, is your argument that we shouldn't take an measures to prevent voter fraud because your interpretation of the data is that it is not a substantial problem?

There's really no catch-22 at all. (and not to be pedantic but that is my favorite book of all time and this would not qualify as a catch-22)

First, we aren't using convictions as a standard for whether voter fraud exists or not, we are using detected voting irregularities. The record keeping for individual districts might be bad in certain cases, but our overall records of who votes and who doesn't are just fine for this purpose. Voter fraud could be quite easily detected during electoral audits that can be done and have been done, with basically zero evidence for such a thing happening. If it were happening you would find dead people who voted, you would find lots of cases of two votes being recorded for the same person without explanation, etc, etc. (2 votes for one person does sometimes happen benignly, btw with absentee ballot screwups, etc)

You have to remember, Republicans have been desperately searching for evidence of voter fraud for decades now. Those attorneys that GWB fired in that scandal a few years back? That was in large part due to his desire that they find more evidence of voter fraud. The fact that they have not been able to find any speaks volumes for what's really going on.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah but YOU are missing the solution. If the federal government would actually do something about illegals then the states wouldnt have to resort to these measures, whether their intentions are honorable or not.

There are plenty of states with negligible illegal alien populations in which Republicans engage in similar voter suppression efforts.

They do this no matter what the situation, it does not have anything to do with illegal immigration.

 

[michal1980]

Ooh, now there are hundreds or thousands of fraudulent votes being cast! As always there is of course zero evidence to back up this claim, just your imagination. You want to do something which will almost certainly purge legal voters in order to stop a problem that doesn't exist.

The Republican party has a truly abominable record of purposeful voter suppression. You should be ashamed of them, not supporting it. If the only way you can win is to prevent legal people from voting, you don't deserve to win.

Florida is finding thosands of questionable voters on the role.

Futhermore, how can you find fraud if you don't look for it?

You solution is to not look.

 

[michal1980]

I'm getting tired of having to repost this:

For those who want actual numbers:

Brennan Center for Justice statistics on electoral fraud
If the studies cited by the Brennan Center are correct, substantiated voter fraud in the United States since the 2000 elections (inclusive) occurred at a rate <0.0003%, and none of the fraudulent votes detected could have been prevented by the current fad of Voter ID laws.

Whats the problem with looking? Why is the left so afraid of trying to find illegal voters on the roles?

Futhermore, what tiny precentage of legal voters would possible by effected by the search?

What is the left afraid of?

 

[Jhhnn]

You cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol without a photo ID. People who are against needing photo ID to vote obviously feel voting is less important than buying cigarettes and alcohol.

Utterly false & specious. You only need ID to by alcohol or cigarettes if you look like you might be underage.

It's not like anybody cards people over the obvious age of 25 or so.

Sheesh.

 

[fskimospy]

Florida is finding thosands of questionable voters on the role.

Futhermore, how can you find fraud if you don't look for it?

You solution is to not look.

My solution is most certainly not 'to not look'. My argument is that we HAVE looked, repeatedly and over decades. Voter fraud is simply not a meaningful problem in the US today. Why do you continue to deny the evidence? It's my opinion that the belief in voter fraud is simply an article of religious faith on the right, evidence won't convince you no matter what.

As for this specific situation, Florida is using databases that were never designed for this purpose, and in a way that gives inaccurate results. The former Secretary of State for Florida resigned over the conduct of this search because he found it to be so totally worthless.

The state is violating federal law and is conducting the purge in an incompetent way that has caused state electoral officials to resign in protest. Your solution sucks.

 

[shortylickens]

Utterly false & specious. You only need ID to by alcohol or cigarettes if you look like you might be underage.

It's not like anybody cards people over the obvious age of 25 or so.

Sheesh.

Actually theres plenty of states that require ID no matter how old you look.

 

[boomerang]

Actually theres plenty of states that require ID no matter how old you look.

Mine is one of those.