Florida Police Department Used Black Mug Shots For Target Practice

[rudeguy]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ment-used-black-mug-shots-for-target-practice

Its just a couple of bad apples. ...

 

[Double Trouble]

But he denied racial profiling was at play, noting that the sniper team included minority officers. He said his department also uses pictures of whites and Hispanics for target practice.

Should they have been more politically correct in making sure every set of targets appropriately reflected the criminal population, or is the problem that they used mugshots as targets at all?

What's the outrage?

 

[nickqt]

Should they have been more politically correct in making sure every set of targets appropriately reflected the criminal population, or is the problem that they used mugshots as targets at all?

What's the outrage?

I think the outrage involves the inherent racism involved in using black mug shots as target practice, rather than say, standard pictures and targets that are ordered in bulk.

But, I forgot. Racism doesn't exist. And even if it did, it's okay for the police to be racist.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I think the outrage involves the inherent racism involved in using black mug shots as target practice, rather than say, standard pictures and targets that are ordered in bulk.

But, I forgot. Racism doesn't exist. And even if it did, it's okay for the police to be racist.

Part of me wants to be outraged, but in reality, training should be as realistic as possible, and one of the hardest parts of getting used to sniping is seeing a human face in the scope (from what I've read), so I don't think a silhouette target would necessarily be as effective in training.

 

[nickqt]

Part of me wants to be outraged, but in reality, training should be as realistic as possible, and one of the hardest parts of getting used to sniping is seeing a human face in the scope (from what I've read), so I don't think a silhouette target would necessarily be as effective in training.

Solution:

Only print out mugshots of "those" people.

Racism doesn't exist at all. In any way!

 

[Subyman]

Well when the prisons are 90% black, then those mug shots are just a random sample. No bias found.

 

[halik]

Those must be the same people butt hurt when they used kids faces for target practice. The whole idea is to not hesitate due to psychological factors when you make the right decision.

 

[Ackmed]

Its just a couple of bad apples. ...

You're quote is tired and idiotic, as are you. But good try, keep on trolling.

 

[nickqt]

Well when the prisons are 90% black, then those mug shots are just a random sample. No bias found.

Laughably stupid analysis.

Thanks for the chuckle!

 

[Subyman]

Laughably stupid analysis.

Thanks for the chuckle!

My job is done here.

 

[TreVader]

Guys, they had just changed the toner in their printer and the contrast was all F'd up. Racism in Florida Police forces? I would be SHOCKED.

 

[Double Trouble]

Solution:

Only print out mugshots of "those" people.

Racism doesn't exist at all. In any way!

Did you read the damn article? The mugshots they used were not just of black convicts. Whites, hispanics etc were also used. Some of the officers using the mugshots were black as well. Were they being racist towards blacks also?

Still trying to determine exactly what exactly the outrage is: using mugshots at all, or that many - though not all - of the mugshots used were of black convicts?

 

[CZroe]

Meh. They probably just used what they had with no ill intentions (totally serious).

 

[theeedude]

What would happen if cops saw people using pictures of cops for target practice?
I am guessing those would be construed as threats on law enforcement and resulted in arrests.

 

[soulcougher73]

We'll you gotta know your target audience....

 

[Svnla]

How about do not commit crimes => no prison => no mugshot picture to be used as target?

Shocking simple solution.

 

[mizzou]

im sure more people target shoot obama and there is less outrage over that...

It is a bit odd using mugshots for target practice, thats all that concerns me.

isnt one of those guys the face eating zombie?

 

[Darwin333]

Should they have been more politically correct in making sure every set of targets appropriately reflected the criminal population, or is the problem that they used mugshots as targets at all?

What's the outrage?

An organization that is constantly called racist, regardless if its true or not, using multiple black mugshots for target practice is at the very least fucking retarded and sets said organization up for a fuckload of bad press (as in right now) and potentially lawsuits.

FFS there is no reason to use mugshots for target practice at all regardless of race. Use a freaking silhouette or a real shooting target but instead they they just presented proof that they are either racist or fucking idiots, both being very bad considering the state has issued them weapons and badges.

 

[Darwin333]

Part of me wants to be outraged, but in reality, training should be as realistic as possible, and one of the hardest parts of getting used to sniping is seeing a human face in the scope (from what I've read), so I don't think a silhouette target would necessarily be as effective in training.

Umm, the elite sniping programs seem to do just fine with silhouettes and they are training the some of the most elite snipers, who have and will likely see actual combat, in the world not some po-dunk PD sniper that will probably never be needed to "snipe" anyone.

Besides, it's the entire killing thing that makes it hard to pull the trigger and not the fact that they have a face in their scope. Shooting at a picture doesn't make that any easier.

 

[Darwin333]

What would happen if cops saw people using pictures of cops for target practice?
I am guessing those would be construed as threats on law enforcement and resulted in arrests.

So very much this.

I'd love to see some video of cops walking into a shooting range to find some black guys legally shooting at pictures of cops on their force. The cops would go absolutely apeshit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

reduce, reuse, recycle. I hear paper targets for practice aren't cheap, so use what you got.

 

[Darwin333]

Did you read the damn article? The mugshots they used were not just of black convicts. Whites, hispanics etc were also used. Some of the officers using the mugshots were black as well. Were they being racist towards blacks also?

Still trying to determine exactly what exactly the outrage is: using mugshots at all, or that many - though not all - of the mugshots used were of black convicts?

They said that mugshots of whites and Hispanics were also used but I see no mention of anyone else seeing it to actually verify it. Exactly why should we take their word on it? What I did read was that a National Guardsmen went to the range and found 6 mugshots that the police had used for targets, all black, and at least one of them was from a conviction 15 years prior who per the article payed his debt to society and is now an honest family man. I'd be pretty pissed if I found out they were using my picture for sniping practice too.

I will say that whoever was shooting at the bottom right has a damn nice grouping but its beyond idiotic nonetheless.

 

[Darwin333]

reduce, reuse, recycle. I hear paper targets for practice aren't cheap, so use what you got.

The same printer that printed those mugshots could have......... wait for it....... have you figured it out yet?.............. No?......... printed normal fucking shooting targets! Those darn printers are getting fancier all the time so I can understand why you might have missed the technological leap that allows a printer that can print 6 photos onto a piece of paper to be able to print circles, lines and even triangles!

FFS google shooting targets pdf and they even give you tips on how to print them.

How about do not commit crimes => no prison => no mugshot picture to be used as target?

Shocking simple solution.

Here is something else that may shock you, just because some PD has taken your mugshot does not mean that you committed a crime and it damn sure doesn't mean that you were convicted of one or spent any time in prison. I know, crazy how our system works with all that innocent until proven guilty bullshit.

 

[ch33zw1z]

exactly. LEO's involved are fucking assholes.

 

[werepossum]

Those must be the same people butt hurt when they used kids faces for target practice. The whole idea is to not hesitate due to psychological factors when you make the right decision.

Um, right now a little extra hesitation would be a GOOD THING. At the very least, they should be using targets with guns drawn, not mug shots which by definition are of unarmed people. They should be hesitating before shooting an unarmed person.

Did you read the damn article? The mugshots they used were not just of black convicts. Whites, hispanics etc were also used. Some of the officers using the mugshots were black as well. Were they being racist towards blacks also?

Still trying to determine exactly what exactly the outrage is: using mugshots at all, or that many - though not all - of the mugshots used were of black convicts?

Assuming that's true it largely takes out the sting, but using a mug shot from 15 years ago argues against that being true.

We'll you gotta know your target audience....

lol

Now I feel bad for laughing.