Florida nixes touch screen voting

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TALLAHASSEE ? Eager to end six troublesome years of touch screen voting in Florida, Gov. Charlie Crist wants every county to switch to paper ballots by 2008.


Crist will ask the Legislature to spend more than $30-million to replace touch screens with an optical scan system that allows a voter to mark an oval next to a candidate?s name before slipping a ballot into an electronic reader ? the same way absentee ballots are cast.


The change would affect a majority of the state?s voters living in 15 mostly urban counties, including Pinellas, Hillsborough and Pasco.


Crist will travel today to Palm Beach County, home of the disgraced ?butterfly ballot? that in 2000 became a symbol of electoral ineptitude.


Accompanied by Secretary of State Kurt Browning and U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, a Democrat and a vocal critic of touch screen voting, Crist will endorse the change in voting systems while offering the money to pay for it.


?I think it?s important to make sure people have confidence in our voting system,? Crist said Wednesday. ?If there?s a need for a recount, I think it?s important that we have something to recount.?


Supporters of optical scan voting say it is more certain to reflect a voter?s intent because it creates a paper record of every ballot.


In a touch screen system, a voter receives a card and inserts it into an ATM-like machine and touches the screen to record choices. The card is sent to the supervisor of elections, where the choices are downloaded and counted.


No tangible record exists.


Crist?s eagerness to junk touch-screen voting comes amid a continuing furor over the high number of undervotes in a close Congressional election in Sarasota conducted with touch-screen machines.


The lack of a paper audit trail has frustrated efforts to conduct a manual recount. The trailing candidate, Democrat Christine Jennings, filed a lawsuit asking for another vote.


Reaction to the Crist plan Wednesday was cautious.


Pinellas County uses two massive optical scan machines to process absentee and provisional ballots. The bulk of the voting during a county-wide election takes place on 3,400 touch screen machines.


Pinellas County Supervisor of Elections spokeswoman Nancy Whitlock said she was reluctant to comment on Crist?s proposal before the governor makes his announcement.


But Whitlock said that if touch screens were replaced with optical scanners, vote counting would take much longer. She said that under federal election rules, each polling place must have a touch screen to serve the disabled.


In 2001, Pinellas spent $14-million to buy an electronic voting system, much of it spent toward buying touch screen machines. Whitlock said the county would have to consider selling its touch screens, perhaps to a jurisdiction in another state, to avoid a financial loss.


Pasco County Supervisor of Elections Brian Corley said transparency and security are key points.


?It?s no secret Florida ... has been a lightning rod of controversy,? Corley said. ?There seems to be the will of the people to move toward paper trails. If that would satisfy the people, then I would support it.?


Some voting-system watchdogs expressed skepticism about what they see as a hasty decision by the new governor.


The American Civil Liberties Union said Crist?s impulse to scrap touch screen units and replace them with optical scanners was ?too quick.? The ACLU said it was concerned with the impact on voters who do not speak English or have physical disabilities.


On the other hand, the activist group People for the American Way called Crist?s plan ?a strong first step? and said touch screen machines ?have caused too many problems in Florida.??


Leon County Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho, a fierce critic of touch screens, also hailed the move.
Sancho said Crist is following the recommendation of an elections task force made six years ago after the hanging-chad fiasco of the presidential recount. The task force urged that all 67 counties be required to switch to optical scan voting, but lawmakers left the choice up to each county.


One lobbyist wore two hats, representing counties and a voting machine vendor. The Florida Association of Counties received cash commissions in return for endorsing machines sold by Election Systems & Software of Omaha, Neb.
The result, Sancho said, was a politically-motivated, lobbyist-influenced decisions by some counties to switch to touch screen technology.


?We dumbed down the process to accommodate technology that has limited capacity to be audited,? Sancho said. ?That was simply the wrong way to go.?


The 15 touch screen counties are Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco, Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Charlotte, Collier, Duval, Indian River, Lake, Lee, Martin, Sarasota and Sumter.


Times Staff writers Will Van Sant and David DeCamp contributed to this report. Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com or (850) 224-7263.



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No jokes about "Flori-Duh" voters.

I think they are on the right track. The optical scan system is what we use here in Alaska. It's the best of both worlds... Fast tabulation of votes and an obvious paper record of those votes should the technology fail and a recount become necessary. And even better than that... No more tin foil hat conspiracy theories about republican manipulations of the data! No more hanging, pregnant, dimpled, whatever chads! No more trying to divine the intention of the voter... Just a simple bubble to fill in. Even Dade County voters should be able to figure that one out.

Now if we could get rid of the other touch screen machines in our electoral system... We'd be good to go.

Edit: Whoops. Terminology.
 

DVK916

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Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(
 
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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(
So you would prefer to use touch screen machines that provide no paper trail and no confirmable or recountable record of votes? Or are you just trolling as per your usual activities?

 

Zorba

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

So is there any way of voting you don't think is rigged? This is the system Oklahoma has had my whole life and I always liked it, get the paper trail, easy to count, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

uh, cite a reference from a legitimate source.


paper is subject to more corruption than any form of voting. If you check recent news stories you will find many occurences of voting fraud and all were paper based voting systems. Hell in Ohio, the two pollsters convicted of fraud were not Republicans and not working with electronic votes.


So tell me again how either party is better than the other? Corruption only seems to matter when you lose
 

brandonbull

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What's so hard about a touch screen machine that prints out a record for you? The voter gets a blank paper card and inserts it into the machine, make their picks, prints their picks out, and then their done.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
What's so hard about a touch screen machine that prints out a record for you? The voter gets a blank paper card and inserts it into the machine, make their picks, prints their picks out, and then their done.

That is how California has been doing it for years.
 

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as a floridian I support him 100% on this one. Charlie is gonna make a great governor! I'm glad I voted for him.
 
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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

Got documentation to back up your claim?
 

GoPackGo

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To Democrats, as long as they win there is no voter fraud or conspiracy.
 

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As a Florida resident I'm not a big fan of Crist because of the insurance problems in Florida which he is not going to try to fix. (1)

Having said that, and especially considering the blatantly obvious election fixing that's taken place over the last several years, this is a step in the right direction. The optical machines are harder to fix than the touch screen machines, and considering an overwhelming majority of "voting irregularities" that have happened in recent times have benefited the Republicans (2) I'm amazed to see a Republican moving in this direction.


(1) The reason I don't think Crist will bend over backwards to fix insurance in Florida is because of the hundreds of thousands of dollars insurance companies donated to Crist:

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.d...NCEPROJECT/610290317/-1/insurancestorm

(2) Articles like this make my brain hurt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summary_of...lection_controversy_and_irregularities

 

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
To Democrats, as long as they win there is no voter fraud or conspiracy.

You're right. The tens of thousands of documented thrown-away votes of African Americans in Ohio in 04 were all just a left-wing conspiracy.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
To Democrats, as long as they win there is no voter fraud or conspiracy.

You're right. The tens of thousands of documented thrown-away votes of African Americans in Ohio in 04 were all just a left-wing conspiracy.


Of course, just another case of the left claiming mass conspiracies if they lose, then saying that everything was flawless and above board when they win. Both parties are just as bad, wake up.
 

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Both sides do it, but Republicans do it more. Just because both parties are corrupt doesn't make it excusable, or mean you should try to deny or hide it.
 

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It seems like Democrats would be in favor of paperless voting, save the trees.


 

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

Got documentation to back up your claim?

Yes, the last seven years
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(
You have to be kidding.
 

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

Are you related to Dave by any chance? :roll:
Your posts contain nothing but mass histeria.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

Got documentation to back up your claim?

Yes, the last seven years

Yeah, just like last year when Republicans voted themselves into power! Oh, wait....
 

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: DVK916
Trying to help republicans win I see, Florida is full of republican corruption. They want to replace it with optical scans because in 04 optical scan counties where proven to be rigged in favor of Bush. :(

uh, cite a reference from a legitimate source.


paper is subject to more corruption than any form of voting. If you check recent news stories you will find many occurences of voting fraud and all were paper based voting systems. Hell in Ohio, the two pollsters convicted of fraud were not Republicans and not working with electronic votes.


So tell me again how either party is better than the other? Corruption only seems to matter when you lose

How would we know? All you're "proving" is that more documented cases of voter fraud involved paper based voting...the obvious point being that there is little way to document electronic voter fraud, so it could be occurring much more often and we'd have no way of knowing.