Florida Mayor kicks a man out for not standing during prayer or pledge of allegiance

[alzan]

I think you are in the minority there.

Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that response?

As long as elected officials get to pay for settlements out of the public treasury instead of with personal funds this kind of crap will continue. When elected officials act outside of their Constitutional authority, they aught to be held personally liable for damages.

I'll second that.

I'm sorry its such trauma to stand when asked to show respect for someone else's belief I do hope the poor guys feelings were not hurt to much and he will make a full recovery...

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

The only trauma is your poor understanding of a citizens' rights.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I'm sorry its such trama to stand when asked to show respect for someone else's belief I do hope the poor guys feelings were not hurt to much and he will make a full recovery...

I don't think there was any trauma to be had. Yeah I know you're trying to sensationalize it because you disagree with his actions but there's no reason to act the way that council guy did. If he had just went on without saying anything there wouldn't be a video nor this thread.

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

I thought that the point of those fought and died was to provide folks like this with the freedom of choice. I guess I was wrong.

 

[shira]

Umm. Isn't that pretty much exactly what it shows?

You are within you rights to hate America. But if you hate America don't be butt-hurt when other people call you on it.

No, fool. The very idea of a "pledge of allegiance" is the antithesis of what freedom is. Nazis were big into "allegiance" to the fatherland.

Frankly, those who sit during the "pledge" are DEMONSTRATING what it means to be free, not making empty oaths that promise that they'll be "loyal Americans" in the future.

Since you apparently think it's such a great daily exercise, why don't you explain to us what the purpose is in "pledging allegiance."

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm sorry its such trama to stand when asked to show respect for someone else's belief I do hope the poor guys feelings were not hurt to much and he will make a full recovery...

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

You don't seem to understand your own country's history or ideals. The reason why people put on uniforms and fought in wars like, for example, WW 2 was exactly so someone else (or themselves) could choose not to stand for an anthem, or a pledge, or a flag.

btw, an anthem or pledge are simple words and a flag is a piece of cloth. Some people invest great meaning in them and other don't. Putting on a show of respect has nothing to do with whether or not someone actually has respect.

 

[Vic]

Wouldn't want someones right to be an ass infringed on.

There is no right more precious than the freedom to make an ass of oneself.

 

[her209]

I'm sorry its such trama to stand when asked to show respect for someone else's belief I do hope the poor guys feelings were not hurt to much and he will make a full recovery...

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

 

[cuafpr]

/sigh just gonna say kinda what i said on another forum and be done with it.

the first part was mostly sarcasm, though i don't see where being asked to stand is such a vile thing that it can't be done, BUT if you choose not to stand you should be allowed to sit there and not be harassed for not standing.

as for the Pledge of course it's also a person's right to not stand for if, just again it goes into something I just don't understand why you wouldn't do it out of respect for the country as whole even if you don't agree with current events.

that's it not getting into another pissing match over respect and rights again tonight.

 

[Mai72]

If you don't stand up when the Thai king is on you will go to jail.

That's how it should be in America. Respect!

 

[Victorian Gray]

/sigh just gonna say kinda what i said on another forum and be done with it.

the first part was mostly sarcasm, though i don't see where being asked to stand is such a vile thing that it can't be done, BUT if you choose not to stand you should be allowed to sit there and not be harassed for not standing.

as for the Pledge of course it's also a person's right to not stand for if, just again it goes into something I just don't understand why you wouldn't do it out of respect for the country as whole even if you don't agree with current events.

that's it not getting into another pissing match over respect and rights again tonight.

I'll repeat (no intent re a 'pissing match"):

"Putting on a show of respect has nothing to do with whether or not someone actually has respect."

 

[senseamp]

Rees: [I'm] asking you to either stand or please be escorted out [as we do] the Pledge. It’s just not fair to our troops and people overseas, sir.

It's important to drag in our troops and "people overseas" to justify violating someone's Constitutional rights here in America. Clearly they are fighting for the right of the mayor to disregard the Constitution.

 

[Meghan54]

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

/sigh just gonna say kinda what i said on another forum and be done with it.

the first part was mostly sarcasm, though i don't see where being asked to stand is such a vile thing that it can't be done, BUT if you choose not to stand you should be allowed to sit there and not be harassed for not standing.

as for the Pledge of course it's also a person's right to not stand for if, just again it goes into something I just don't understand why you wouldn't do it out of respect for the country as whole even if you don't agree with current events.

that's it not getting into another pissing match over respect and rights again tonight.

So, when did you serve again? Since you've put the "requirement" for having a valid opinion as having to have served or serving in the military, when did you serve? If you didn't, then by your own words quoted above, your opinion carries absolutely no worth or weight.

 

[Darwin333]

They would have had to physically remove me from that chair.

While I don't wish harm to anyone it would definitely be more interesting had you been sitting there, assuming you are being honest, just to hear the justification of tasering some poor asshole for not getting up under this context.

 

[ivwshane]

I would have stayed seated and kindly point to my yellow flag and American flag pins as a sign of my respect. Then when they keep harassing me, I'd show them my truck with the "support the troops" bumper sticker and the back window with the flag plastered on it! Then I'd challenge them to show me that they support this country and our troops more than me!

Because we all know, real support comes from symbols!

/S

 

[cuafpr]

So, when did you serve again? Since you've put the "requirement" for having a valid opinion as having to have served or serving in the military, when did you serve? If you didn't, then by your own words quoted above, your opinion carries absolutely no worth or weight.

Commissioned Dec 18th 2002 - honorable discharge Dec 31st 2010, down sized due to budget cut backs and changes in nuclear doctrine / policy and the START II treaty.

 

[NoStateofMind]

/sigh just gonna say kinda what i said on another forum and be done with it.

the first part was mostly sarcasm, though i don't see where being asked to stand is such a vile thing that it can't be done, BUT if you choose not to stand you should be allowed to sit there and not be harassed for not standing.

as for the Pledge of course it's also a person's right to not stand for if, just again it goes into something I just don't understand why you wouldn't do it out of respect for the country as whole even if you don't agree with current events.

that's it not getting into another pissing match over respect and rights again tonight.

I think you explained your position well. Thanks.

 

[NoStateofMind]

While I don't wish harm to anyone it would definitely be more interesting had you been sitting there, assuming you are being honest, just to hear the justification of tasering some poor asshole for not getting up under this context.

Yeah no doubt haha

I've no desire to be assaulted or arrested but I'm heavily influenced by principle and sometimes to a fault. This situation most likely would have ended up 'more interesting' had it been me.

 

[MongGrel]

I wouldn't doubt a bit the guy that refused to stand had probably put on a uniform at one time.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I supported and defended the US Constitution for 12 years while I in the US Navy. Though I would not burn a US Flag or not stand during the pledge/national anthem/prayer, I stand behind the rights of others to choose to do otherwise. What this mayor/police officer did is against the US Constitution and should be reprimanded for such actions as I'm quite sure they took an oath to not only support/defend the US/State Constitution but uphold the laws of the country/state.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

I supported and defended the US Constitution for 12 years while I in the US Navy. Though I would not burn a US Flag or not stand during the pledge/national anthem/prayer, I stand behind the rights of others to choose to do otherwise. What this mayor/police officer did is against the US Constitution and should be reprimanded for such actions as I'm quite sure they took an oath to not only support/defend the US/State Constitution but uphold the laws of the country/state.

Ding Ding Ding We have a winner!
A little off topic but something I've always wondered, when the judge enters the courtroom, we are commanded to "all rise". Is that to show respect for the judge, or the court, cuz, well frankly :whiste:

 

[hal2kilo]

They would have had to physically remove me from that chair.

Ditto!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ding Ding Ding We have a winner!
A little off topic but something I've always wondered, when the judge enters the courtroom, we are commanded to "all rise". Is that to show respect for the judge, or the court, cuz, well frankly :whiste:

I think it's in respect to the court the judge is representing. None the less I stand when the command to "All Rise" is given

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think it's in respect to the court the judge is representing. None the less I stand when the command to "All Rise" is given

The Mayor doesn't have the power to punish. The judge sets himself up as higher than God since he has real power.

 

[shira]

Ding Ding Ding We have a winner!
A little off topic but something I've always wondered, when the judge enters the courtroom, we are commanded to "all rise". Is that to show respect for the judge, or the court, cuz, well frankly :whiste:

Proceedings in a court of law are highly formalized, and there needs to be a single person who controls all actions. The judge is that person, and (I assume) that "all rise" is a group action that acknowledges the judge's role. But beyond that, it would be just as wrong in a court of law for there to be a requirement to participate in - or even stand - for the pledge of allegiance.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'm sorry its such trama to stand when asked to show respect for someone else's belief I do hope the poor guys feelings were not hurt to much and he will make a full recovery...

and not standing for the pledge, feel free to put on a uniform and go risk your life for the right to sit during it and then talk.

Wow... irony. The guy who wanted to pray felt so traumatized by the atheist that he had a cop make him leave. How dare the atheist not conform.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Umm. Isn't that pretty much exactly what it shows?

You are within you rights to hate America. But if you hate America don't be butt-hurt when other people call you on it.

Yea, if he doesn't fall in line and do what everyone else in the room does, he hates America. You nailed it yet again.


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