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Just stop diverting, if what Farrakhan said is so outrageous create a thread about it.
Only relevance to this thread would be if Farrakhan went to a McDonalds, pulled a knife on a white family and ranted on and on about how its supposed to be a black Country.
Lol, he just bounced around, avoiding what he doesn't want to hear.
 

ch33zw1z

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Nazis are not fine people. Neither are Neo-Nazis. Neither are Klansman. No one has argued that they are.

I don’t think Trump implied they are, but rather that there are decent people on both sides of the debate on whether or not to removes statues which was definitely in full swing at the time and what the damned protest was surrounding there - the removal of a Robert E Lee statue. There were protests like that happening all over the place so yes the broader context of that is relevant. He’s not a politician and so it came off sounding idiotic, but no I don’t think he was endorsing the KKK or Neo-Nazis or ANTIFA but rather acknowledging the differing sides of opinion (in Charlottesville and elsewhere) on whether or not to remove statues. You can choose to believe otherwise if you’d like.

Again, ignoring the facts. Trump was addressing Charlottesville directly during those speeches. He's been pandering to white supremacists for a very long time, and the nation had to twist his arm to get him to name specifically the alt-right hate groups.

You've been schooled on an event that's coming up on a year old. This debate was had last August. If YOU choose to believe otherwise, that's up to you.

You're also wrong. Trump is a politician, it came off idiotic because he speaks like a 3rd grader. But lucky for him, he's got some alt-right heroes to help write his speeches.

Like this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)?wprov=sfla1

Or this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon?wprov=sfla1

These are not alternative facts, it's the real deal.
 
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Again, ignoring the facts. Trump was addressing Charlottesville directly during those speeches. He's been pandering to white supremacists for a very long time, and the nation had to twist his arm to get him to name specifically the alt-right hate groups.

You've been schooled on an event that's coming up on a year old. This debate was had last August. If YOU choose to believe otherwise, that's up to you.

You're also wrong. Trump is a politician, it came off idiotic because he speaks like a 3rd grader. But lucky for him, he's got some alt-right heroes to help write his speeches.

Like this guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)?wprov=sfla1

Or this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon?wprov=sfla1

These are not alternative facts, it's the real deal.


Reminds me of when Taj refused to acknowledge Trump made the "Hello Russia are you listening..." comments.
Like literally he refused to believe Trump said those words until the video was posted. Even then he retreated to his Trump is just trolling the media.
 

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Just goofing around. We have a guy who strangely enough wasn't in a Waffle House who was ranting about Muslims and pulled out a knife. Eventually we were having tiki rallies so I just wandered away from "Muslim" to knife.

I was bored.
 

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Maybe he was, but this was right in the middle of the broader ongoing debate on statues though so I can’t help but think "both sides" referred to that. Like Obama’s comments that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon were more than him addressing that particular shooting. Maybe I’m wrong though and Trump has swaztika on his undies and is an imperial wizard.

I haven’t jumped around any more than anyone else in this thread, and any topic brought up was related to race relations in America which is what the thread is largely about.
 
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Maybe he was, but this was right in the middle of the broader ongoing debate on statues though so I can’t help but think "both sides" referred to that. Like Obama’s comments that if he had a son he’d look like Trayvon were more than him addressing that particular shooting. Maybe I’m wrong though and Trump has swaztika on his undies and is an imperial wizard.

I haven’t jumped around any more than anyone else in this thread, and any topic brought up was related to race relations in America which is what the thread is largely about.

You are diverting again, Trump specifically said there are good people on both sides when referring the the tiki torch Nazi's.
If fail to see Obama saying if he had a son he'd look like Treyvon being relevant to this topic. Nobody should refer to Nazi's as good people. Period full stop.
Trump is pandering to these guys because they throw so much shit up on social media. Other can disagree and that is fine its just my opinion.
Its the Presidents job to choose words thoughtfully.

regular image from that unit the right rally, no Nazi stuff:
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What does this image remind you of? What was the person who organized the rally attempting to emulate? What simple minded fool wouldn't make this connection.
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I’m not diverting, shit y’all latch onto these attacks (same with "concern") and dish them out without really thinking about it.

Yes Obama talking about Trayvon was relevant. There was a broader discussion going on in the country at the time about police shooting blacks and such. Him addressing Trayvon was about much more than him talking about that single incident. In my opinion (which may be wrong) Trump did the same at Charlottesville. There was a wider discussion ongoing about the removal of status and him addressing that single event was about more than just that event.
 

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You are wrong, it's been shown to you several times. But you continue to go to other topics and try to prove some point about a "broader discussion", which is alt-facts WRT Charlottesville statements.
 

ch33zw1z

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Ok cool there wasn’t a broader discussion. Nothing else going on in the country. Alt-facts. :rolleyes:

The statements youre questioning are made directly towards Charlottesville. No question about that. You choose not to believe that.

Since you've gotten basic facts of the situation wrong, have been corrected, and continue to argue this...I can only assume you're going to continue to rationalize Trump's support for very fine people. Guess we're done with this.
 
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Any fine people here?
I *think* this group help organize Charlottesville
Pay attention to the I *think* part. There is a chance I’m incorrect

 

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It's not a diversion to explain to you the context that you yourself are diverting away from. In conservative circles the narrative leading up to Charlottesville very much would be focused on the statues and southern heritage / culture. Unless you think all white people and/or all southerns are Nazis then there are some "very fine people" mixed in with their belief of what happened. The reason why people were on the street in the first place.

You dropped the context Trump was exposed to and you included your own narrative to explain his exact words. The old bait and switch is a rather standard political attack tool. Where words and meanings are smeared onto people by the will of others, and not their own.

UglyCasanova is correct. If you simply watched Fox News around that time period, you'd understand the narrative Trump used.
 
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It's not a diversion to explain to you the context that you yourself are diverting away from. In conservative circles the narrative leading up to Charlottesville very much would be focused on the statues and southern heritage / culture. Unless you think all white people and/or all southerns are Nazis then there are some "very fine people" mixed in with their belief of what happened. The reason why people were on the street in the first place.

You dropped the context Trump was exposed to and you included your own narrative to explain his exact words. The old bait and switch is a rather standard political attack tool. Where words and meanings are smeared onto people by the will of others, and not their own.

UglyCasanova is correct. If you simply watched Fox News around that time period, you'd understand the narrative Trump used.

I see, if only I watched the news network that has a host who literally give the President a good night I love you bed time call I’d understand everything.
I’ll remember to bring up MSNBC next Obama or Hillary comment
 

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It's not a diversion to explain to you the context that you yourself are diverting away from. In conservative circles the narrative leading up to Charlottesville very much would be focused on the statues and southern heritage / culture. Unless you think all white people and/or all southerns are Nazis then there are some "very fine people" mixed in with their belief of what happened. The reason why people were on the street in the first place.

You dropped the context Trump was exposed to and you included your own narrative to explain his exact words. The old bait and switch is a rather standard political attack tool. Where words and meanings are smeared onto people by the will of others, and not their own.

UglyCasanova is correct. If you simply watched Fox News around that time period, you'd understand the narrative Trump used.

And you nailed it. Fox news watchers are the ones who will argue this.

The city of Charlottesville voted to move the statue. Notdestroy, move it off of public property. The rally at Charlottesville was organized by white supremacists. If you're not a white supremacist, then you should not have been at the rally. That's the context of the situation. Trump didn't heed warnings to this context, and was caught spreading blame around, and took him days to specifically say this after his initial verbage

Alt-right held a unite the right rally, if you don't agree, you should not be in attendance. They aren't shy about it, they're loud and proud about their white supremacists ideology. The rally was marketed as such. People were well aware what this was going to be. It's not surprising, even and little, that Fox news would spin it differently. A year later, and you still have people confused about how it went down.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally?wprov=sfla1

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/l...cle_b6504ea6-6f42-11e7-bd6b-2f345970b4ea.html

And for a nice turn of events you won't hear on faux news

https://www.vox.com/2018/3/8/17071832/alt-right-racists-charlottesville
 
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The city of Charlottesville voted to move the statue. Notdestroy, move it off of public property. The rally at Charlottesville was organized by white supremacists. If you're not a white supremacist, then you should not have been at the rally. That's the context of the situation.


That’s may be the context of the local situation, broadly though that’s not though. Across the US was a larger conversation going on at the time on statue removal. And yes I think it’s that broader context that Trump was referring to, just as Obama was speaking beyond just Trayvon.
 

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I see, if only I watched the news network that has a host who literally give the President a good night I love you bed time call I’d understand everything.
I’ll remember to bring up MSNBC next Obama or Hillary comment

If you knew what the President was thinking you would understand him.
Yes, I believe that's accurate. And many of his thoughts originate from Fox News programing.

Don't deny it, you already know where Trump gets his news. His singular source. If you don't know their narratives you won't know his.
 

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That’s may be the context of the local situation, broadly though that’s not though. Across the US was a larger conversation going on at the time on statue removal. And yes I think it’s that broader context that Trump was referring to, just as Obama was speaking beyond just Trayvon.

Then he should have saved for a speaking engagement regarding the broader context, he didn't, and had to deal with the aftermath.

To speak more directly, the context of this as a broader discussion would be irresponsible to not include how he has pandered to white nationalism, including white supremecists and Nazis. He could have used this opportunity to win some people over and distance himself from these groups, and IIRC was advised that by members of the Republican party. He chose not to, and keep in step with people who keeps close to him, like Stephen Miller, and had to clean up the mess he made, while allowing Fox news a way out of the actual context of a unite the right rally.

And look at you, a year later, still engaged is the delusional idea that what happened at Charlottesville involved some very fine people
 

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And look at you, a year later, still engaged is the delusional idea that what happened at Charlottesville involved some very fine people

No it clearly did not. But we are presenting you the factual basis of what the President knew at the time he said those words. The narrative Fox News was running with before, during, and shortly after Charlottesville.

From the snippets I remember, "protests over historical southern statues" being disrupted by Antifa and various left wing extremists. Only later did they the give proper weight to the presence of white supremacists. After the rest of the media blew up over that aspect of it.
 

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And look at you, a year later, still engaged is the delusional idea that what happened at Charlottesville involved some very fine people


I think there was very fine people engaged on both sides of the debate regarding removing statues across the US, yes. The people in Charlottesville seemed to all be douchebags, but as we watched the two sides attack each other on TV people across the country were talking about the issue of statue removal and whether that was right or wrong. The protest was held by a bunch of racists and attacked by a bunch of thugs, but the topic of what they were protesting that day (not their rally, but the march that day) was about Robert E Lees removal. Yes very fine people across the country had differing opinions on that. Feel free to ignore the broader context if you want.
 

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No it clearly did not. But we are presenting you the factual basis of what the President knew at the time he said those words. The narrative Fox News was running with before, during, and shortly after Charlottesville.

Again, the unite the right rally was informationally known to be exactly what we know it was. He knew exactly what it was. Maybe you disagree he knew

So if you're claiming he's ignorant because fox news is where he's getting his information from, and not listening to people providing him information. Well, that's a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed. But won't be, considering the state of the union today.
 

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I think there was very fine people engaged on both sides of the debate regarding removing statues across the US, yes. A discussion that people across the country were engaged in that very day even. Feel free to ignore the broader context if you want.

Case in point
 

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Again, the unite the right rally was informationally known to be exactly what we know it was. He knew exactly what it was. Maybe you disagree he knew

So if you're claiming he's ignorant because fox news is where he's getting his information from, and not listening to people providing him information. Well, that's a much bigger issue that needs to be addressed. But won't be, considering the state of the union today.

Their rally was but the clash that day was over Robert E Lee. The people watching on tv were having the discussion of the removal of the statue. The National conversation was about statue removal. When speaking to the American people the larger debate was on statue removal not who was protesting at Charlottesville that day.