Florida man pulls knife on students eating burgers, goes on anti-Muslim rant at McDonald's

[UglyCasanova]

I consider anyone who is anti-fascist to be a fine person.

This seems to have morphed into a meaningless statement. Fascism turns into basically whatever they want it to be. Silencing the freedom of people giving speeches/talks and holding other political opinions - through violence at times - would seem to be a pretty fascist thing to do. I’m sorry but no, they are rioters trying to terrorize their will onto others, that’s not very fine people.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You should use Google. Clear this right up for you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally?wprov=sfla1

You're in here now arguing about a rally organized by the far-right, and trying to claim the "very fine people" were mixed in there, but didn't know it was a alt-right rally. That's complete and utter horseshit. Stupidity of this nature is not ok. If you go to a unite the right rally and March side by side with people wearing Nazi arm bands chanting rhetoric from WW2 Nazis....then you're not a very fine person.

Holy shit dude, stop riding the crazy train

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-far-left-violence-20170829-story.html

Its members dressed head to toe in black, with masked faces and some bearing pastel-painted riot shields that read "no hate." These 100 or so militants billed themselves as a security force for progressive counter-protesters, vowing to protect them from far-right agitators.

But as the protest got underway, some of those in masks would resort to mob violence, attacking a small showing of supporters of President Trump and others they accused, sometimes inaccurately, of being white supremacists or Nazis.



Seems like a fascist tactic to me. Very fine people.

 

[ch33zw1z]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-far-left-violence-20170829-story.html

Its members dressed head to toe in black, with masked faces and some bearing pastel-painted riot shields that read "no hate." These 100 or so militants billed themselves as a security force for progressive counter-protesters, vowing to protect them from far-right agitators.

But as the protest got underway, some of those in masks would resort to mob violence, attacking a small showing of supporters of President Trump and others they accused, sometimes inaccurately, of being white supremacists or Nazis.



Seems like a fascist tactic to me. Very fine people.

I wonder why peaceful counter protesters even needed the protection?

Show me in history where antifa attempted a hostile takeover of Europe, northern Asia, northern Africa, and would've taken over the world if not stopped, committing a massive genocide simultaneously in some of the most horrific ways imagineable...it's almost like we don't have a historical record of what white supremacists and Nazis represent. If there was only some way to find out what their ideology is? Hmm...if only.

Oh by the way, nice whataboutism. Can't actually defend the unite the right rally? All those very fine people are totally cool in your book.

By all means, continue to choose willful ignorance while bouncing from topic to topic.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Oh by the way, nice whataboutism. Can't actually defend the unite the right rally? All those very fine people are totally cool in your book.

Not trying to defend the rally. Never said they were all totally cool. I guess you want to make that arguement for me though?

 

[feralkid]

Wow again conflating Nazis and those opposed to them.

He's been at it all weekend; I can't imagine what horrific monsters he'll spend tomorrow defending.

 

[UglyCasanova]

He's been at it all weekend; I can't imagine what horrific monsters he'll spend tomorrow defending.

What monsters have I defended.

 

[feralkid]

What monsters have I defended.

Which haven't you defended?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Which haven't you defended?

Should be easy, show me a post where I did.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not trying to defend the rally. Never said they were all totally cool. I guess you want to make that arguement for me though?

Considering you get the most basic facts wrong, and then try out some whataboutism instead of addressing the facts, you made the argument for me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Should be easy, show me a post where I did.

Considering you get the most basic facts wrong, and then try out some whataboutism instead of addressing the facts, you made the argument for me.

Just come out and say it, say "People who hang out with Nazis are not fine people" that's all you have to do. There are NO FINE PEOPLE at a Nazi rally.
I agree with Mr. Wiz or C33z? You are constantly deflecting responsibility of the Charlottesville rally, which you initially brought up. If you like some of Trumps Policies, just say it. If you don't like the "There are good people on both sides" quote, say you don't like that quote. Period.
This has nothing to do with BLM, Antifa or anything else.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Just come out and say it, say "People who hang out with Nazis are not fine people" that's all you have to do. There are NO FINE PEOPLE at a Nazi rally.
I agree with Mr. Wiz or C33z? You are constantly deflecting responsibility of the Charlottesville rally, which you initially brought up. If you like some of Trumps Policies, just say it. If you don't like the "There are good people on both sides" quote, say you don't like that quote. Period.
This has nothing to do with BLM, Antifa or anything else.

Nazis are not fine people. Neither are Neo-Nazis. Neither are Klansman. No one has argued that they are.

I don’t think Trump implied they are, but rather that there are decent people on both sides of the debate on whether or not to removes statues which was definitely in full swing at the time and what the damned protest was surrounding there - the removal of a Robert E Lee statue. There were protests like that happening all over the place so yes the broader context of that is relevant. He’s not a politician and so it came off sounding idiotic, but no I don’t think he was endorsing the KKK or Neo-Nazis or ANTIFA but rather acknowledging the differing sides of opinion (in Charlottesville and elsewhere) on whether or not to remove statues. You can choose to believe otherwise if you’d like.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I wonder what kind of knife it was. Maybe some cheapie ebay knockoff. There's a lot of those. Is a titanium spork a knife for this purpose? He might have one of those multi-tool thingies and was going to plier someone.

Questions, questions.

 

[Amused]

This seems to have morphed into a meaningless statement. Fascism turns into basically whatever they want it to be. Silencing the freedom of people giving speeches/talks and holding other political opinions - through violence at times - would seem to be a pretty fascist thing to do. I’m sorry but no, they are rioters trying to terrorize their will onto others, that’s not very fine people.

Fail.

Look up the paradox of tolerance and get back to me.

Freedom of speech means freedom from government oppression. It does not mean freedom from social backlash.

You stand on a corner and advocate an ideology that seeks to kill/marginalize/harm me and we'll have more than words too.

BTW, fascism is a form of government. Not private citizens standing up to hate.

But hey, nice attempt at projection there.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Fail.

Look up the paradox of tolerance and get back to me.

Freedom of speech means freedom from government oppression. It does not mean freedom from social backlash.

Nah people still aren’t allowed to commit violence towards you or destroy your stuff just because they don’t like what you have to say.

You stand on a corner and advocate an ideology that seeks to kill/marginalize/harm me and we'll have more than words too.

BTW, fascism is a form of government. Not private citizens standing up to hate.

But hey, nice attempt at projection there.

Not necessarily

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Definition of fascism

1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm glad you finally found the dictionary. There's this other awesome site, it's kinda new, check it out

https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism?wprov=sfla1

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Is that true though? He said there was “fine people on both sides”, not that he didn’t think some were scumbags. He wasn’t lumping all on the right there in with KKK just like he didn’t lump all on the left with ANTIFA. People on either of the extremes there are scumbags but a lot of those people were just there to protest the statues (one way or the other).


I may be fuzzy so fill me in if I’m wrong. It does seem as if there’s an endorsement trying to be inserted into there that didn’t actually exist.

I’m going to help you out here. If you go to a rally and march along side a bunch of Nazis and white supremacist chanting hatred against minority groups and you keep on waking with them you aren’t a very fine person. You’re another nazi.

It’s that simple.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Thanks for breaking that down for me. Keeping them labels super simple and effective.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Speaking of Mr Farrakhan earlier (someone that was given the keys to a city here in Louisiana) here is from his sermon today:


https://mobile.twitter.com/TheFinal...utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter
The White man is a new man. Everywhere he went on this earth, he found human beings of color. Where did he come from?
Why should there be an end to him (White man)? Because his nature is not in harmony with the nature of God.
White man was only given 6,000 years (6 days) to rule. You cannot deny he has ruled but on what principle did he rule? Righteousness? Truth? Justice? Fairness? I don't think so.
Murder is in his (the White man's)nature.
He (the White man) is a natural liar. He can't help himself
Do you know where homosexuality began? Where's Sodom and Gomorrah?
We're the original people. Homosexuality didn't start with us. We didn't know anything about it.
In the Talmud they admitted to the rape of young boys under 9 years old.
White policemen in the Black community have their way with our women. And some of us offer our women to them.
Black people: When that policeman pulls you over he has the heart to kill you.
Black People: God wants you to separate from your enemy

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Speaking of Mr Farrakhan earlier (someone that was given the keys to a city here in Louisiana) here is from his sermon today:


https://mobile.twitter.com/TheFinalCall?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/27/louis-farrakhan-end-white-men/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter
The White man is a new man. Everywhere he went on this earth, he found human beings of color. Where did he come from?
Why should there be an end to him (White man)? Because his nature is not in harmony with the nature of God.
White man was only given 6,000 years (6 days) to rule. You cannot deny he has ruled but on what principle did he rule? Righteousness? Truth? Justice? Fairness? I don't think so.
Murder is in his (the White man's)nature.
He (the White man) is a natural liar. He can't help himself
Do you know where homosexuality began? Where's Sodom and Gomorrah?
We're the original people. Homosexuality didn't start with us. We didn't know anything about it.
In the Talmud they admitted to the rape of young boys under 9 years old.
White policemen in the Black community have their way with our women. And some of us offer our women to them.
Black people: When that policeman pulls you over he has the heart to kill you.
Black People: God wants you to separate from your enemy

Just stop diverting, if what Farrakhan said is so outrageous create a thread about it.
Only relevance to this thread would be if Farrakhan went to a McDonalds, pulled a knife on a white family and ranted on and on about how its supposed to be a black Country.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Diverting? This thread has to do with racial hate in America, which that was an example of. Racial (homophobic too!) hatred being spewed from a man celebrated and given the keys to an American city. It’s topical.

Now my stance is that Mr Farrakhan and his congregation don't represent something much larger than it actually is and to be feared. The same with a neo-Nazi rally, that group of people doesn’t represent this larger threat from the white community. Or Islamic terrorists don’t mean every Muslim is a radical.

Earlier in the thread it was said blacks have to fear white threats and/or violence as a part of their everyday life. People keep fanning the flames saying "Nazis everywhere!" when the reality is that’s not the case.

 

[Amused]

Diverting? This thread has to do with racial hate in America, which that was an example of. Racial (homophobic too!) hatred being spewed from a man celebrated and given the keys to an American city. It’s topical.

Now my stance is that Mr Farrakhan and his congregation don't represent something much larger than it actually is and to be feared. The same with a neo-Nazi rally, that group of people doesn’t represent this larger threat from the white community. Or Islamic terrorists don’t mean every Muslim is a radical.

Earlier in the thread it was said blacks have to fear white threats and/or violence as a part of their everyday life. People keep fanning the flames saying "Nazis everywhere!" when the reality is that’s not the case.

Does institutionalized racism against blacks exist in America?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Yes

 

[brycejones]

Yes

Does institutionalized racism against whites exist in America?

 

[UglyCasanova]

That’s trickier. Affirmative action can be viewed as such against whites and Asians for one.

Acceptance rates into medical school

 

[Victorian Gray]

Does institutionalized racism against whites exist in America?

Bingo!