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Jaskalas

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Racial animosity is on the rise in America. Yet Trump has no more to do with it than a house burning down being responsible for the lava flow in Hawaii. The internet has allowed us, for the first time in history, to witness the experience of others. To hear reality (or fabrications) from around the planet, sometimes approaching real time communications. All of it fast enough and numerous enough to feed into narratives and drive partisan concepts.

Violence in the Muslim world? No one had access to those news reports before. Or a cheap way to keep track AND broadcast that tally to, literally, everyone else. Suddenly something newly reported becomes a existential crisis. A threat! Did the subject matter change, or are we simply aware of it now? It's the reporting and communication that has changed.

So I ask, when did social media begin to exist in a meaningful and mainstream way? 2016 is the political campaign that did not end on election day. Partisans get to deliver it straight to your face 24/7 and 365. All day, every day, all year long. The rancor and negativity, the stress and emotion, the partisan drive to light your brain up with hateful fantasies is never ending. When do you step back and get a break from it? When does the average person put the phone down and think for themselves?

Second, trickle down is crushing us. It continues to get worse year by year. That's real stress. A real reason to pull out the kitchen ware and look towards one another as the competition that has gotta go. Because when the rat colony collapses, at the end of the day, it comes down to gang warfare and cannibalism. You know it does.

Throw our 40+ year long social and economic failures into a bin, add the accelerate that is social media, and I present you today's America. With people ready to believe all the stereotypes and eager to burn witches. Salem got nothing on what we profess to want for each other. The Great American Divide may be the end of us, unless we learn how to find reason from madness. Unless we find a way to help one another instead of hating one another.
 
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HomerJS

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Fear mongering? I’m the one arguing there is nothing to fear. Y’all are arguing that black people have to deal with white threats and violence everyday. You’ve never seen it but it’s definitely a common thing people have to deal with.

But the white people latching onto news stories of an illegal killing someone or a Muslim bombing somewhere, projecting it into a much larger problem than it actually is, and convincing themselves it is something real and common that they need to fear is totally different.
If this is just fear mongering I'm sure we can find a post of you objecting to placing a white supremacist supporter in the White House and making that person his chief advisor

When you have a POTUS that essentially gives a wink and nod to this kind of thing puts it a different level then just a one off.
 

UglyCasanova

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I think his "both sides" comment was more about the context of removing the statues than anything which is why there ever was the clash at Charlottesville in the first place. Y’all talk as if all of the protestors there on the right were KKK which isn’t the case. We’re some? Yeah we certainly saw that. Was everyone there on the left protesting part of ANTIFA? No of course not, but because there were some it allows one to paint the entire group as such.

Trump definitely fans racial flames I don’t deny that. I just find the arguement of Nazis everywhere as disingenuous as saying the same of ANTIFA. Do they exist? Yeah, but it’s being used as a tool of projection to demonize opinions you disagree with more than anything.
 
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I think his "both sides" comment was more about the context of removing the statues than anything which is why there ever was the clash at Charlottesville in the first place. Y’all talk as if all of the protestors there on the right were KKK which isn’t the case. We’re some? Yeah we certainly saw that. Was everyone there on the left protesting part of ANTIFA? No of course not, but because there were some it allows one to paint the entire group as such.

Trump definitely fans racial flames I don’t deny that. I just find the arguement of Nazis everywhere as disingenuous as saying the same of ANTIFA. Do they exist? Yeah, but it’s being used as a tool of projection to demonize opinions you disagree with more than anything.

Dude I don’t know about you but if I was ever at a rally where they broke out tiki torches and there was a Jews will not replace us chant. I’d be out ASAP.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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About the son being dead and being replaced with a deep state imposter? Come on man.

Since your posting history would not rule out supporting a drunk racist, you will need to specify with a /s, or something to indicate your sarcasm. Or lime Hyabusa said, you're subject to Poe's law
 

BUTCH1

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When your face is being swallowed by your head....you might be a Trumptardian.
I live in FL, you can spot Trump-tard's coming, usually they drive a jacked-up truck with a Confederate flag mounted in the bed, truck-nuts are also commonly spotted. The average IQ of a Trumpian has to be below 100, they exist on hate for hate's sake, it makes them feel "special".
 

UglyCasanova

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It's a shame our POTUS didn't agree.


Is that true though? He said there was “fine people on both sides”, not that he didn’t think some were scumbags. He wasn’t lumping all on the right there in with KKK just like he didn’t lump all on the left with ANTIFA. People on either of the extremes there are scumbags but a lot of those people were just there to protest the statues (one way or the other).


I may be fuzzy so fill me in if I’m wrong. It does seem as if there’s an endorsement trying to be inserted into there that didn’t actually exist.
 
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Amused

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Is that true though? He said there was “fine people on both sides”, not that he didn’t think some were scumbags. He wasn’t lumping all on the right there in with KKK just like he didn’t lump all on the left with ANTIFA. People on either of the extremes there are scumbags but a lot of those people were just there to protest the statues (one way or the other).

Orly? Name one "fine person" from that white supremacist march that day.

Just one.

I note whenever someone tries to defend Trump saying this, they cannot name one person who won't inevitably check out to be a white supremacist.

Do you know WHY there weren't any "fine people" from that side of the protest? Because it was dominated by white supremacists. "Fine people" do not march with nazis and klansmen.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Is that true though? He said there was “fine people on both sides”, not that he didn’t think some were scumbags. He wasn’t lumping all on the right there in with KKK just like he didn’t lump all on the left with ANTIFA. People on either of the extremes there are scumbags but a lot of those people were just there to protest the statues (one way or the other).

Yes, it is true. First, the people of Charlottesville voted to move some statues last year. The protest by white supremacists and Nazis due to this. Nobody was there protesting the statues themselves. It's not like antifa just randomly showed up to protest a statue.

http://www.richmond.com/news/virgin...cle_e41c6141-f6ae-5309-92d2-a4457d7b5fe4.html

Second, Trump refused to call a spade a spade for days.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/politics/charlottesville-nazi-trump-statement-trnd/index.html

There's plenty of information regarding this, easily available. Gee whiz, all the alt-right peeps were finally butt hurt after Trump finally named white supremacist groups, like now he doesn't support. Wait, so he supported them prior, and it takes enormous pressure from a country to get him to name them outright.
 
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UglyCasanova

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Orly? Name one "fine person" from that white supremacist march that day.

Just one.

I note whenever someone tries to defend Trump saying this, they cannot name one person who won't inevitably check out to be a white supremacist.

Do you know WHY there weren't any "fine people" from that side of the protest? Because it was dominated by white supremacists. "Fine people" do not march with nazis and klansmen.


I can’t name one person period from there, not sure how that’s a gotcha. Fine people don’t march with ANTIFA either though, so every person there that day must have been utter scum.
 

ch33zw1z

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I can’t name one person period from there, not sure how that’s a gotcha. Fine people don’t march with ANTIFA either though, so every person there that day must have been utter scum.
Actually, as an American who's not a racist authoritarian douchebag, antifa is my default mode of operation. They don't show up unless there's fascism brewing.
 
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Amused

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I can’t name one person period from there, not sure how that’s a gotcha. Fine people don’t march with ANTIFA either though, so every person there that day must have been utter scum.

I consider anyone who is anti-fascist to be a fine person. My own father fought them in WWII.

How many white supremacists and fascists do you consider to be "fine people?"

You're WAY THE FUCK in the upside down when people who protest racism and fascism are the bad guys to you. Seriously.
 
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UglyCasanova

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Maybe I’m conflating stories, all of this was going on with the removal of the statues down here in New Orleans and elsewhere that absolutely was protested by very normal people (not KKK or Nazis or white supremacist). It seemed everyday there was a new building named after someone or statue or whatever it may be that needed to come down, and lots of people had real issue with this. Maybe Charlottesville was all clansman and "Nazis" and ANTIFA and there legitimately were no decent people there that day, it was happening within the much broader context of what was going on around the country though.
 

UglyCasanova

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Actually, as an American who's not a racist authoritarian douchebag, antifa is my default mode of operation. They don't show up unless there's fascism brewing.


Right...:rolleyes:

And of course their definition of what is or isn’t "fascism" is what we should go by. They should absolutely work to censure speech they disagree with (violently even).
 

ch33zw1z

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Right...:rolleyes:

And of course their definition of what is or isn’t "fascism" is what we should go by. They should absolutely work to censure speech they disagree with (violently even).
You should use Google. Clear this right up for you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally?wprov=sfla1

You're in here now arguing about a rally organized by the far-right, and trying to claim the "very fine people" were mixed in there, but didn't know it was a alt-right rally. That's complete and utter horseshit. Stupidity of this nature is not ok. If you go to a unite the right rally and March side by side with people wearing Nazi arm bands chanting rhetoric from WW2 Nazis....then you're not a very fine person.

Holy shit dude, stop riding the crazy train
 
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brycejones

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Maybe I’m conflating stories, all of this was going on with the removal of the statues down here in New Orleans and elsewhere that absolutely was protested by very normal people (not KKK or Nazis or white supremacist). It seemed everyday there was a new building named after someone or statue or whatever it may be that needed to come down, and lots of people had real issue with this. Maybe Charlottesville was all clansman and "Nazis" and ANTIFA and there legitimately were no decent people there that day, it was happening within the much broader context of what was going on around the country though.

Wow again conflating Nazis and those opposed to them.