Florida legislators re-drew district lines violating state Constitution, Judge rules

shira

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So Florida Republican legislators and their political advisers did everything in their power to subvert two "fair redistricting" amendments to the Florida Constitution passed by popular vote in 2010. And they did their best to hide what they were doing by destroying virtually all emails related to the effort and insisting that all testimony by a key Republican political consultant be kept off the record at the just-completed trial. But the judge has seen enough, and he's ruled that the maps for two of the resulting districts must be re-draw (which will also affect adjoining districts).

Can anyone really doubt that this right-wing mindset of trying to gain political advantage at any cost, even in knowing violation of the state Constitution, is also at work in voter ID laws? I mean, if Republican legislators worked so hard to hide what they were doing, can we really believe their words when they tell us their sole interest is to preserve "fair" elections. Honestly, the proposition that Republicans want "fair" elections is totally absurd.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...ates-floridas-congressional-districts/2188031

TALLAHASSEE — A judge threw out Florida's congressional map late Thursday, ruling that the Legislature allowed for a "secret, organized campaign" by partisan operatives to subvert the redistricting process in violation of the state Constitution.

In a 41-page ruling, Leon County Circuit Court Judge Terry Lewis said that two of the state's 27 districts are invalid and must be redrawn, along with any other districts affected by them, to bring the map into compliance with the state's new Fair District amendments.

The case, brought by a coalition led by the League of Women Voters, is expected to be appealed and ultimately decided by the Florida Supreme Court.

Any change in the political lines for Congress would have a ripple effect on other races, and raised questions on when the map would be redrawn.

Lewis rejected challenges to districts in South Florida and Tampa Bay, but said that District 5, held by Democratic U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown of Jacksonville, and District 10, held by Republican U.S. Rep. Dan Webster of Winter Park "will need to be redrawn, as will any other districts affected thereby."

The judge agreed with the coalition's prime argument: that Republican legislators and staffers collaborated with political consultants to create "a shadow redistricting process" that protected incumbents and the GOP.

"We were extremely gratified," said David King, lead attorney for the plaintiffs. "It's gratifying when the court accepts and understands your argument."

Legislative leaders said in a statement they are reviewing the ruling and would not comment.

The 13-day trial lifted the veil on the once-a-decade process of redrawing political boundaries and was rife with political intrigue that involved numerous side lawsuits, a closed hearing to keep the testimony of GOP consultant Pat Bainter off the public record, and closing briefs filled with redacted references to Bainter's documents.

Lewis defended his decision to allow documents from Bainter into the record, although he agreed to close the courtroom and seal the documents to do it.

"The evidence was highly relevant and not available from other sources," he wrote, "… to show how extensive and organized" the shadow map-making process was "and what lengths they went in order to conceal what they were doing."

Lewis said political consultants "made a mockery of the Legislature's transparent and open process of redistricting" while "going to great lengths to conceal from the public their plan and their participation in it."

"They were successful in their efforts to influence the redistricting process and the congressional plan under review here," he wrote. "And they might have successfully concealed their scheme and their actions from the public had it not been for the Plaintiffs' determined efforts to uncover it in this case."

He concluded that the circumstantial evidence proved that the political operatives "managed to find other avenues … to infiltrate and influence the Legislature."

Lewis drew no conclusions that House Speaker Will Weatherford, former House Speaker Dean Cannon and Senate President Don Gaetz were aware of the scheme, but he raised doubts that they were not in some way complicit. The judge detailed the involvement of Cannon's aide, Kirk Pepper, and repeated evidence that came out at trial about Pepper forwarding draft maps to GOP operative Marc Reichelderfer.

Lewis also noted that legislative leaders and the political operatives destroyed almost all of their emails and other documents related to redistricting and concluded that the circumstantial evidence surrounding all of those developments, and the evidence that the consultants attempted to influence the same districts he has found problematic, proved the GOP operatives were trying to influence the process.

"There is no legal duty on the part of the Legislature to preserve these records, but you have to wonder why they didn't,'' he wrote. "Litigation over their plans was 'a moral certainty' as their lawyers put it earlier in the case, and intent would be a key issue in any challenge."

Lewis tore apart the defense of the most controversial district in Florida's map — District 5, a snake-shaped boundary that runs from Jacksonville to Orlando and was first drawn by a court 20 years ago when Brown was first elected.

Lewis said the changes made to the other district, 10, "benefited the incumbent Representative Webster" and violated the Fair Districts rules.

Lewis also raised questions about the decision by House and Senate leaders to ignore the potential political performance of most districts they drew and why they didn't concern themselves with the authors of publicly submitted maps.

"Turning a blind eye to the probability of improper intent in these maps is not the same as neutrality," he wrote.
 

JEDIYoda

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No way--Say it isn`t so??

Republicans trying to protect their incumbents...
 

PokerGuy

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No way--Say it isn`t so??

Republicans trying to protect their incumbents...

Yep, good thing the dems would never do such a thing ;)

I'm guessing this judge is likely a (D) appointment, but even so, I think all the shenanigans pulled by both sides to mess with the voting districts to gain political benefit is stupid.
 

cabri

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2 out of 27 were rejected.
Potentially that may have impact on 8-10 others due to adjustments needed.

Politics needs to be yanked from re-districting.
We have the technology now to drill down to the block level using census data; use it to take into geographical account barriers first.

Only hand tweak the last 10-15% as needed.
 

Oldgamer

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Yep, good thing the dems would never do such a thing ;)

I'm guessing this judge is likely a (D) appointment, but even so, I think all the shenanigans pulled by both sides to mess with the voting districts to gain political benefit is stupid.

I'm sorry but the Democrats have never done anything on this scale, nor this egregious. Please show me where, when and how the Democrats have gone to the same lengths as the Republicans over the past 5 years or so?
 

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The party of god deserves to win. There is no prohibition against foul play against the devil. Virtue justifies anything.
 

cabri

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I'm sorry but the Democrats have never done anything on this scale, nor this egregious. Please show me where, when and how the Democrats have gone to the same lengths as the Republicans over the past 5 years or so?

You have defined a moving target;

However, as an example, look at Mass for the past 30 years on what they have done with their districts. They only had one Republican district (Conte)and geographically, it was untouchable. Other districts were redrawn with weird boundaries to reduce the impact and protect the incumbents.

Which ever party is in power for the district drawing will consider politics first to protect themselves.

Look at states that had to redraw based on an increase/decrease of seats and you will see that the changes in boundaries were designed to benefit the ruling party.
 

shira

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Maybe the Florida lawmakers felt the state constitution was outdated and flawed.
Oh, so two amendments passed by the voters in 2010 were "outdated and flawed," so it's just fine to violate the Constitution (doing everything possible to hide the violations) without going through the formal process of changing it?

Yeah, that's sounds totally reasonable.
 

shira

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Yep, good thing the dems would never do such a thing ;)

I'm guessing this judge is likely a (D) appointment, but even so, I think all the shenanigans pulled by both sides to mess with the voting districts to gain political benefit is stupid.

So you're claiming that Democratic lawmakers routinely violate their own state Constitutions to redraw district maps? Please provide examples.
 

shira

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You have defined a moving target;

However, as an example, look at Mass for the past 30 years on what they have done with their districts. They only had one Republican district (Conte)and geographically, it was untouchable. Other districts were redrawn with weird boundaries to reduce the impact and protect the incumbents.

Which ever party is in power for the district drawing will consider politics first to protect themselves.

Look at states that had to redraw based on an increase/decrease of seats and you will see that the changes in boundaries were designed to benefit the ruling party.

Were these redistrictings in Massachusetts in violation of the Massachusetts state Constitution? Please provide specific examples.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Yea, I like how the point whooshed right over the heads of most of the right in this thread... Republicans went a step beyond this time.
 

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Yep, good thing the dems would never do such a thing ;)

I'm guessing this judge is likely a (D) appointment, but even so, I think all the shenanigans pulled by both sides to mess with the voting districts to gain political benefit is stupid.

So tedious, so predictable in the usual "They're just as bad!" way of the right wing. Florida voters amended the state constitution specifically to deny them such methods, but they used them anyway, attempted to cover their tracks, pretend it never happened.
 

Jhhnn

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Thank you. That sums up the wingnut headset rather well. True Believers cannot sin in a mission from God.
 

boomerang

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Yea, I like how the point whooshed right over the heads of most of the right in this thread... Republicans went a step beyond this time.
You're entitled to your interpretation but regardless, that's how the game is played. And it has very much intensified. Each party raises the stakes incrementally. To cite one relevant situation that is very current, some of us would like to see the powers of the IRS curtailed such that the next president won't be able to raise the stakes. That sentiment, disempowering the IRS is not being met with much enthusiasm on the left. That's how the game both continues and intensifies.
 

Jhhnn

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You're entitled to your interpretation but regardless, that's how the game is played. And it has very much intensified. Each party raises the stakes incrementally. To cite one relevant situation that is very current, some of us would like to see the powers of the IRS curtailed such that the next president won't be able to raise the stakes. That sentiment, disempowering the IRS is not being met with much enthusiasm on the left. That's how the game both continues and intensifies.

There's a difference between conspiracy theory ravings & actual conspiracy, with Florida Repubs having clearly engaged in the latter.

Your attempted justification based on false equivalency is part & parcel of conservative's persecution complex & contrived righteousness.

'Don't look at us! They're just as bad!" is the lamest excuse in the book.
 

MongGrel

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Glad to see it, to be honest I think it's been well known here awhile and needs to be fixed.

Dubya would have never come to power.

And all the current crap in the SCOTUS wouldn't be happening.
 
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Oldgamer

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You have defined a moving target;

However, as an example, look at Mass for the past 30 years on what they have done with their districts. They only had one Republican district (Conte)and geographically, it was untouchable. Other districts were redrawn with weird boundaries to reduce the impact and protect the incumbents.

Which ever party is in power for the district drawing will consider politics first to protect themselves.

Look at states that had to redraw based on an increase/decrease of seats and you will see that the changes in boundaries were designed to benefit the ruling party.

Sure Democrats have done redistricting in the past. But what they have not done, and the Republicans have done within the past 5 years is all the unconstitutional and illegal voter laws they have tried to enact meant to discriminate (that many Judges shot down in several states) and now the very illegal and unconstitutional redistricting that was "insanely obvious" to this judge that it was deemed illegal and unconstitutional.

What I am seeing is a Republican party that has gone crazy. They are going nuts to try and find as many ways of tearing down any rights they can to keep people from having their votes count, or keep them from the polls. The Democrats have never done anything on the scale like what we are seeing Republicans doing now. People like you should be very concerned. Seriously, this is so dangerous. Why on earth would you support this? Do you realize by supporting this behavior that if in the future the Democrats should become the ones who have the majority of power they too might decide to do what they see Republicans doing now? All of us should be speaking loud and clear that is not not acceptable for any political party no matter which side to do.
 
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Jhhnn

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Sure Democrats have done redistricting in the past. But what they have not done, and the Republicans have done within the past 5 years is all the unconstitutional and illegal voter laws they have tried to enact meant to discriminate (that many Judges shot down in several states) and now the very illegal and unconstitutional redistricting that was "insanely obvious" to this judge that it was deemed illegal and unconstitutional.

What I am seeing is a Republican party that has gone crazy. They are going nuts to try and find as many ways of tearing down any rights they can to keep people from having their votes count, or keep them from the polls. The Democrats have never done anything on the scale like what we are seeing Republicans doing now. People like you should be very concerned. Seriously, this is so dangerous. Why on earth would you support this? Do you realize by supporting this behavior that if in the future the Democrats should become the ones who have the majority of power they too might decide to do what they see Republicans doing now? All of us should be speaking loud and clear that is not not acceptable for any political party no matter which side to do.

Winner. Rather than shaping their demonstrably failed ideology to better serve the people, Repubs shape the districts & the electorate instead.