Flip-Flopper-In-Chief [Was: Flip-Flops]

MonstaThrilla

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  1. Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
  2. Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
  3. Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
  4. Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
  5. Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
  6. Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
  7. Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
  8. Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
  9. Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
  10. Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
  11. Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
  12. Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
  13. Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
  14. Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
  15. Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
  16. Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
  17. Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
  18. Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
  19. Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
 

NetGuySC

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Seems as though everyone in politics flip flops doesn't it.

Even the walking wounded
 

Dari

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Lol. This is it? What a joke. Face it, John Kerry has the title of flip-flops hands down. Hell, the man's idea of a retirement package is marrying rich women/widows.

BTW, where's your link?
 

sMiLeYz

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You missed the biggest one...

Anyone remember the campaign promise "No more nation-building..."? Now we have a new 200 billion dollar welfare state, called Iraq.

oops you already covered it... my bad.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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So let me get this straight, Kerry's various musings likely cost the Treasury a few million here and there . . . while Bush BS may ultimately cost a trillion (current cost + interest on accumulated debt) . . . but somehow Dari believes Kerry is king.

Bush's retirement package came from scamming investors (using his daddy's reputation) and then scamming a city into robbing private landowners and Arlington taxpayers to buy him a stadium. Personally, I like Kerry's version . . . the only way he gets into my pockets is if I buy ketchup.
 

Genesys

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so, 9/11 wasnt supposed to change things? we were just supposed to go on like nothing happened?

i could understand your point if 9/11 hadn't happened, because then Bush would be flip flopping, but since 9/11 changed our perspective and prioriteis, your point holds no water.
 

DanceMan

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Originally posted by: Genesys
so, 9/11 wasnt supposed to change things? we were just supposed to go on like nothing happened?

i could understand your point if 9/11 hadn't happened, because then Bush would be flip flopping, but since 9/11 changed our perspective and prioriteis, your point holds no water.

So, what does 9/11 have to do with #1, #7, #9, #10, #11, #13, #14, #15, #16? then?

 

Siddhartha

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This is a good list. I am going to print it out, laminate, keep it handy for reference when the Kerry haters crank up their slime machine.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Genesys
so, 9/11 wasnt supposed to change things? we were just supposed to go on like nothing happened?

i could understand your point if 9/11 hadn't happened, because then Bush would be flip flopping, but since 9/11 changed our perspective and prioriteis, your point holds no water.

So it is okay for Bush to change his position to reflect a changed situation but not when Kerry does it?

 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Genesys
so, 9/11 wasnt supposed to change things? we were just supposed to go on like nothing happened?

i could understand your point if 9/11 hadn't happened, because then Bush would be flip flopping, but since 9/11 changed our perspective and prioriteis, your point holds no water.

So it is okay for Bush to change his position to reflect a changed situation but not when Kerry does it?

Shhh! You'll make his head explode.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
  1. Bush is against campaign finance reform; then he's for it.
  2. Bush is against a Homeland Security Department; then he's for it.
  3. Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
  4. Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
  5. Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
  6. Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
  7. Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
  8. Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
  9. Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
  10. Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
  11. Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
  12. Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
  13. Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
  14. Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
  15. Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
  16. Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
  17. Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
  18. Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
  19. Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.


20. Bush was against letting his national security adviser publically testify in front of the 9/11 Commision, now he's for it.

:)
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
This is a good list. I am going to print it out, laminate, keep it handy for reference when the Kerry haters crank up their slime machine.

:D:D:D
 

conjur

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Need to add one:

Candidate Bush Said Clinton Should "Jawbone OPEC" to "Open (the) Spigots" - But the Bush Administration Now Refuses to "Beg OPEC for Oil."

-- During a Republican primary debate in Manchester, New Hampshire in January 2000, Bush said, "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots. One reason why the price is so high is because the price of crude oil has been driven up. OPEC has gotten its supply act together, and it's driving the price, like it did in the past. And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

-- But this year, Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said the United States has made it "very clear we are not going to beg OPEC for oil," in response to the current run-up in crude oil, gasoline and other energy prices.

(Sources: The New York Times, 9/29/00; George Bush, Republican Primary Debate, Manchester, NH, 1/26/00; Reuters, 2/27/04 and 3/23/04)
 

CaptnKirk

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Oh yeah, by the way - <a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=AMFB5IIUCXEYSCRBAEZSFEY?type=businessNews&storyID=4704210§ion=news">last week Bush opened a dialouge with Saudi Arabia to open up more oil . . .
Instead they have decided to tighten it down some more, and ship less.</a>
Great allies there, no ?
(and - Did you know that the Bush family (and his inner cabal) has tremendous persomal investments in the Saudi Oil programs ?)

Pay for Oil through the nose - you're being played as suckers for the Bush Administration.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Looks like we have a new list, complete with links to "citations" and "dates". For our Bush-loving friends, they help prove that pesky thing called the "truth".

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then Governor Bush said: "I think credibility is important. It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

2. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories?for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

3. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

4. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important." [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

5. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to?establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

6. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

7. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

8. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

9. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

10. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

11. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

12. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

13. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

14. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

15. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold singing ceremony, 03/27/02]
 

XZeroII

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Some of them are not flip-flopping. Do you really belive that he is for deficits? Come on. Grow up and learn some thing about the world. Deficits are a part of life when it comes to the gov't. No one wants them, but when they come you just have to make the best of the situation.

Also, Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island is just stupid. I am in favor of the environment, but I don't believe we should stop moving just so we don't hurt a blade of grass. Are you in favor of the environment? Do you drive a vehicle? OH NO! You are a hypocrite and flip flop on issues because if you TRULY cared about the environment, you would not do a single thing that could possibly harm it.

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have. WTF does that have to do with anything?


If you want people to actually belive the crap you feed them, you have to at least post a GOOD list.


EDIT: I will admit though, SOME of those have merit. However, Kerry seems to change his position in order to gain popularity ot because he just got a wad of cash from a lobby group. Bush changes his position because he realizes that he made a mistake earlier or because circumstances have changed.
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Some of them are not flip-flopping. Do you really belive that he is for deficits? Come on. Grow up and learn some thing about the world. Deficits are a part of life when it comes to the gov't. No one wants them, but when they come you just have to make the best of the situation.

Also, Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island is just stupid. I am in favor of the environment, but I don't believe we should stop moving just so we don't hurt a blade of grass. Are you in favor of the environment? Do you drive a vehicle? OH NO! You are a hypocrite and flip flop on issues because if you TRULY cared about the environment, you would not do a single thing that could possibly harm it.

Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have. WTF does that have to do with anything?


If you want people to actually belive the crap you feed them, you have to at least post a GOOD list.


EDIT: I will admit though, SOME of those have merit. However, Kerry seems to change his position in order to gain popularity ot because he just got a wad of cash from a lobby group. Bush changes his position because he realizes that he made a mistake earlier or because circumstances have changed.


Yeesh what a weak set of arguments. I wouldn't even respond if it weren't so damn amusing. :)

Concerning deficits, he used to extoll how terrible they were yet runs the LARGEST IN HISTORY during his time in office. You say "but when they come you just have to make the best of the situation." like deficits are some force of Mother Nature. Hilarious!

In 2000, Bush claimed his respect for the environment was all a part of his compassionate conservative image. It seems you don't know what the story behind Padre Island is. Do you?

Do you know what the story behind Bob Jones is? I don't think so either. Not the brightest day in Bush's 2000 campaign.

You tell me I have no grasp of the real world and then make up some sorry excuse as to why Bush's flip-flops are fine yet Kerry's are corrupt. But it would seem that you don't live in the real world. Flip-flops are flip-flops. Politicians make them all the time, no matter what party the belong to. If you can take a step back and take your partisan glasses off for just one second to realize this, I'll be waiting to welcome you into the real world.