Flat Earth Society vs Earth is only 6000 years old

Ameesh

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A friend just recently sent me this link for a good laugh: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/

Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

Who do you think gets the crown of stupidity: flat earthers or the folks who claim the earth is only ~6000 years old?
 

JulesMaximus

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Both groups are complete nutjobs. How anyone could possibly be this stupid is beyond me...
 

RichardE

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Government


Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead

PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF

Q: "What is the motive behind this conspiracy?"

A: The motive is unknown although it is probably money

Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

Q: "The government could not pull off the conspiracy successfully"

A: Actually, they could.

Q: "How are the world governments organized enough to carry out this conspiracy?"

A: They only appear to be disorganized to make the conspiracy seem implausible.

Q: Why hasn?t this site been shut down by the government?

A: Doing so would prove that the government is hiding something.

Q: No way could the government possibly guard the entire Ice Wall! It would take too many men! Millions of men!

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred and some basic equipment.

Q: Why is NASA?s space shuttle runway curved?

A: It was specially constructed by NASA to be so. After all NASA are at the heart of the conspiracy.

The Earth in space


Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles

Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

In the "accelerating upwards" model, the stars, sun and moon are also accelerating upwards.

The stars are about as far as San Francisco is from Boston. (3100 miles)

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

Q: "Why are other celestial bodies round but not the Earth?"

A: When you look at these celestial bodies, even with a telescope, they're entirely two-dimensional.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity.

A2: Gravity comes from an external source (to be discussed)

Q: "Isn't this version of gravity (A1) flawed? Wouldn't planes/helicopters/paragliders crash into the Earth as the Earth rises up to them?"

A: No. By the same argument, we could ask why planes/helicopters/paragliders don't crash into the Earth as they accelerate down towards them. The reason that planes do not crash is that their wings produce an upthrust which, when the rate of acceleration upwards equals that of gravity's pull downwards, causes them to remain at a constant altitude.

The same thing happens if the Earth is moving up. The plane is accelerating upwards at the same rate as the Earth, which means the distance between them does not change. Therefore, the plane stays at the same height and does not crash.

Q: "Doesn't this mean we'd be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible?"

A: No, here is a detailed explanation.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A: You would enter an inertial reference frame, moving at a constant velocity in the direction the Earth was moving before you jumped. The Earth would continue accelerating upwards past you at a rate of 1g, so it would appear to you that you were falling into space.

Q: "If the Earth was indeed a flat disc, wouldn't the whole planet crunch up into itself and eventually transform into a ball?"

A1: If the Earth generated a gravitational field, yes, it would eventually happen, after a billion years maybe. FE assumes that the Earth does not generate a gravitational field. Also, I'm not sure what FE's stance on the age of the world is, but it's plausible that it's a younger estimation than the RE claim.

A2: There is a counter-mass which pulls the Earth back into a disc shape.

Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q: Follow-up to previous question: How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A: This argument is a non sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.


Almost as bad as P&N conspiracy theorists...

Almost..
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
A friend just recently sent me this link for a good laugh: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forums/

Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

Who do you think gets the crown of stupidity: flat earthers or the folks who claim the earth is only ~6000 years old?

Wow! There are some real winners. I like how almost every explanation is that it's a government conspiracy that has an unknown motive.
 

91TTZ

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Why are you guys acting like these groups are serious? The joke's on you- the flat Earth society is not a serious organization, it's meant to be a joke.

At least I hope so.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

They're not serious. Just skimming through some of the posts, then looking at the F.A.Q. - this site is a spoof/mockery. :p
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

They're not serious. Just skimming through some of the posts, then looking at the F.A.Q. - this site is a spoof/mockery. :p

go check wikipedia and other sources, its legit
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

They're not serious. Just skimming through some of the posts, then looking at the F.A.Q. - this site is a spoof/mockery. :p

go check wikipedia and other sources, its legit

Yes, because wikipedia clearly cannot be edited by the same people who made the site. :confused:
 

IGBT

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..I recall one night Art Bell said NASA found remains of a vehicle license plate on Mars. Alot of his stuff is tounge in cheek but what an inference. Some of the calls were hilarious.
 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Ameesh
Many of these guys and gals on that site are serious and refer to themselves as Flat Earthers (F.E.)

They're not serious. Just skimming through some of the posts, then looking at the F.A.Q. - this site is a spoof/mockery. :p

go check wikipedia and other sources, its legit

Yes, because wikipedia clearly cannot be edited by the same people who made the site. :confused:


look around for yourself, these guys have been around for some time
 

GoingUp

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I love how when you fly high enough in a plane you can see the natural curve of the earth.
 

Ktulu

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I am offended sir. How dare you leave out my group, the Hollow Earth Society.
 

LordMorpheus

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It's all true, I've been to the ice wall and I've seen the elephants on the other side.

Actually, this question:
Q: "Doesn't this mean we'd be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible?"

A: No, here is a detailed explanation.

is not a flaw in their theory. You can accelerate at 9.8 m/s/s indefinately and never reach 3E8 m/s. you get spatial dialation going on that prevents that, but you can continue to accelerate for as long as you'd like.
 

RichardE

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The 6000 year old crowd..because they use to believe both and killed people who said it was anything but what the bible said..
 
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Why are you guys acting like these groups are serious? The joke's on you- the flat Earth society is not a serious organization, it's meant to be a joke.

At least I hope so.

I'd like to think that too, but there are so many nuts out in the world that you just can't tell sometimes.

But it does look like a joke in this case.
 

ElFenix

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flat earthers have never said that the round earth is a rabbinic conspiracy, while young earthers have.
 

Alonelymuffin

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Climb some mountains. I've clearly seen the curvature of the earth from high elevations. You can get a good view pretty much anywhere above 8,000 feet.

as for young earth, it's sorta-kinda possible, but it's also possible that were in the matrix, and it's also possible the universe and you were created five minutes ago, complete with memories and dinosaur bones.