If the lights were as bright as the kid claims then I highly doubt he had any idea that it was a cop. When someone is coming at me with their brights late at night I can maybe make out if its a truck or a car but not much more not to mention I am trying to divert my eyes away from the blinding light.
If the lights were as bright as the kid claims then I highly doubt he had any idea that it was a cop. When someone is coming at me with their brights late at night I can maybe make out if its a truck or a car but not much more not to mention I am trying to divert my eyes away from the blinding light.
He is a jackbooted thug and they don't like it when people record them doing jackbooted thug activities.
I can't find any proof that he admitted others flashed him that night. Please provide proof of this.
FYI it isn't legal to flash your lights like that. He was being given a ticket. If an officer pulls you over for running a stop sign you can't refuse to cooperate if you don't think you ran it.
I don't put it past this fucking coward to have hit himself to try and justify this shoot. This motherfucker should fry but he'll be back on the street again just like the rest of them. One fucked up system we have going right now. smmfh
Watch the video. The cop tells the kid 3 other people flashed their lights at him because his car is new and the lights are bright. So the cop knows this kid flashed him over defective equipment because he has pulled three other people over for the same reason. Yet he is going to go ahead and push the situation?
As for the injury. I find it highly doubtful a 17 year kid that is being tased could do that in that amount of time. And where is the dashcam video? Did that by coincidence also not work?
And how is a cop pulling someone over for flashing lights NOT psycho? He did not 'request' that he pull over. Those lights come with the full threat of violence by him and all his goons should you not comply. You don't think that's a little fucking insane? give me a fucking break.
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It's in the video.
I'm reading some of the comments posted, and people are saying that the cop should be shot and killed by the kids father. I wouldn't have any problem giving the father a not guilty verdict if he chooses to do so.
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The dashcam worked, but wasn't in the position to capture anything other than darkness. Although the dashcam did capture audio of the 'suspect' being shot some 13 seconds after being tazed on the ground.
For anyone too busy to watch the video, yet with enough time to react
...I transcribed the section pertaining to several concerned drivers previously having been harassed/ticketed for alerting the officer to his overly bright headlights. To be quite honest, reading the quotes back in text form makes the officer appear ever more like a perpetrator and criminal than upholder of justice.
Deven Guilford: You had your brights. I could not see. I was gonna crash. Because I could not see.... you had your brights on sir; I'm not lying to you. I was just doing that to be polite. I didn't want you to flash someone and have them go off the road and crash. You know?
Sgt. Frost: Do you realize that if you had complied with this traffic stop, it would have gone a whole different way for you.
Deven Guilford: And if I knew...
Sgt. Frost: Do you realize that?
Deven Guilford: Yes, I do but...
Sgt. Frost: Do you realize that I would have explained to you that I'm driving a brand new vehicle tonight. I have been flashed a couple of times because these headlights are new. I stopped a couple of vehicles tonight; you know people have gotten citations. But.... those headlights are brand new. They are brighter on that vehicle than on normal cars.
Deven Guilford: They are super-bright; you need to get new ones.
Sgt. Frost: But my high-beams were not on. That's what I would have come to explain to you.
Deven Guilford: Umm... I'm sorry.
Why is this officer wasting more taxpayer money by alerting drivers as to why his vehicle *admittedly* isn't up to code. Is this some sort of new speed trap and county revenue generator for belligerent officers in the force?
Not only that.. the officer also refused the request to tell/show his badge number, which is against the law. His badge number should be provided on demand. Again, it's all in the video.
If you see something... say shit.
Take this with a grain of salt, but cops lie, they perjure themselves repeatedly in court and to you. They lie to protect themselves, their fellow officers and their reputations. They manufacture evidence, plant evidence to make their false arrests stick. They have little reason to fear consequences for commiting bad acts and a great many opportunites to commit them. If you the public do not hold them to a high standard, why should they keep to one?
The problem is on both ends.
We have some people who think you should NEVER comply and some cops who think you should always have COMPLETE and utter submission. Put the two together? You get dumbass 17 year olds who fight cops that take every situation to its extremes.
Also..."Comply or Die" is sophmoric catch-phrase...
and EDIT: I've noticed some new vehicles have STUPID bright lights and are aimed inappropriately.
You forgot to mention that when you ask an undercover cop if they are a cop, it's illegal for them to not identify themselves as cops
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The issue is why the bodycam went off, which doesn't seem to be explained at least in the first two articles. Otherwise, get on top of a guy with a gun and assault him, prepare to get shot. Trayvon deserved it, decent chance this idiot did too.
EDIT: Although the cop should die in an unrelated incident involving brights, night, and a near-by cliff side.
EDIT: Although the cop should die in an unrelated incident involving brights, night, and a near-by cliff side.
He said that they were not on bright, and the vehicle was new. He didn't say that they were not up to code, so stop lying. Newer vehicles have bright lights sometimes, this is common knowledge. You see them all the time on newer fancy cars.
It is not illegal where I live to deny giving out a badge number. I'm sure it differs from department to department, state to state. But I also am sure that you don't know that it is illegal for sure, you've already showed you will lie to make your case.
It is not comply or die. It is don't assault an officer and die. He didn't get shot for not giving up his papers, he got shot for assaulting the cop while being on top of him. But good try.
So if you start arguing and resisting, cops should just walk away when you're committing a crime? Uh, no. That is now how it is supposed to work. That is pretty silly to even say.
Nothing in of itself. It is perfectly legal. However, instead of giving his info he kept recording and arguing. When the cop tried to pull him out of the vehicle and kept recording. His lights were not on bright. The cop had a valid reason to stop him. All he had to do was act normal and comply, and then be on the way. He could have recorded away legally, and if the cop did anything to it, could have called him out legally.
For flashing hit lights, which according to the video interview I watched said was a state violation. Give up the info and after everything checks out he would be on his way with a warning or at most a ticket. That he could have argued in court, requested a tape of the incident, etc. Yet he chose to be an idiot. That is what got him killed, not flashing the headlights like the agenda driven title of this post states, and the bias article.
Being tased doesn't last forever. Once over there is no residual effects. He was probably pretty pissed at being tased. If you don't think a smaller man can surprise and take a bigger man off guard and to the ground you obviously have never seen many fights. Check youtube for many instances of this happening.
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You forgot to mention that when you ask an undercover cop if they are a cop, it's illegal for them to not identify themselves as cops
I was obviously referring to on-duty uniformed officers like Sgt. Frost. And in many states (including Michigan) there are laws requiring on-duty, uniformed police officers to display their names or identification numbers.
In fact, Eaton County's own Undersheriff Jeffrey Cook has stated that officers are indeed required to give the badge number and supervisor's name if asked. So the fundamental fact that the Eaton County DA disagrees enough to write in his official statement "There is no legal requirement of a police officer to provide his or her badge number to the driver" calls the entirety of his legal opinion into question.
What issue? I read a few more articles and apparently the body cam was knocked off and disengaged and stun gun was lost in the snow.
Sgt. Frost's defense is that the stun gun never made two prong contact, therefore was ineffective. Suddenly he found this 17-year-old ontop and hitting him almost into unconsciousness. I'm just not buying this story.
That's when he decided to deploy directly into the suspect's chest with his weapon, which allegedly was jammed. However the sergeant repeatedly pulled the trigger and the now unjammed gun caused seven shots to be fired, hitting Guilford all seven times.
If anyone wants to see video of Sgt. Jonathan Frost, here he is warning parents about certain computer apps that could place their children in danger by sharing too much personal information. Too bad he didn't place a warning label on his own balding pate.
http://www.wilx.com/home/headlines/Police-Warn-Parents-About-Apps--284704111.html
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It's still an issue if it can be so easily knocked-off, but at least I have to give some props to that department where many lack bodycams completely.
By the way, that kid looks like an FAS or inbreeding case with those droopy eyes and whatnot. I'd believe the cop over his parents any day.
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