Fla. Man Invents Machine To Turn Water Into Fire

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SANIBEL ISLAND, Fla. -- A Florida man may have accidentally invented a machine that could help solve the gasoline and energy crisis plaguing the U.S., television station WPBF reported.

Sanibel Island resident John Kanzius is a former broadcast executive from Pennsylvania who wondered if his background in physics and radio could come in handy in treating the disease from which he suffers: cancer.

Kanzius, 63, invented a machine that emits radio waves in an attempt to kill cancerous cells while leaving normal cells intact. While testing his machine, he noticed that his invention had other unexpected abilities.

Filling a test tube with salt water from a canal in his back yard, Kanzius placed the tube and a paper towel in the machine and turned it on. Suddenly, the paper towel ignited, lighting up the tube like it was a wax candle.

"Pretty neat, huh?" Kanzius asked.

Kanzius performed the experiment without the paper towel and got the same result -- the salt water was actually burning.

Kanzius said he showed the experiment to a handful of scientists across the country who claim they are baffled at watching salt water ignite.

Kanzius said the flame created from his machine reaches a temperature of around 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit. He said a chemist told him that the immense heat created from the machine breaks down the hydrogen-oxygen bond in the water, igniting the hydrogen.

"You could take plain salt water out of the sea, put it in containers and produce a violent flame that could heat generators that make electricity, or provide other forms of energy," Kanzius said.

He said engineers are currently experimenting with him in Erie, Pa. in an attempt to harness the energy. They've built an engine that, when placed on top of the flame, chugged along for two minutes, Kanzius told WPBF.

Kanzius admits all the excitement surrounding a new possible energy source was a stroke of luck. Someone who witnessed his work on the cancer front asked him if perhaps the machine could be used for desalinization.

"This was an experiment to see if I could heat salt water, and instead of heat, I got fire," Kanzius said.

Kanzius said he hoped that his invention could one day solve a lot of the world's energy problems.

"If I were to be bold enough, I think one day you could power an automobile with this, eventually," Kanzius said.

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homercles337

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Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.
 

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.
 
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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.

See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"
 

SagaLore

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Awesome. So we're going to solve all of our energy problems by wasting energy to produce less energy? :confused:
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.

See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"

Just because some loon comes out with some idea doesn't mean it's true. This guy tries to build his own machine to cure cancer, and instead accidentally stumbles upon something that goes out of bounds of our known physics?

Yeah, i'm really going to give this guy lots of credibility.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"

The Law of Conservation of Energy has yet to be broken.

The only way this machine can give us more energy output compared to energy input, is if any of the atoms in the saline mixture decayed into energy. In which case, we're destroying an nonrenewable resource. One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of fusion power. We'll never get that matter back in our lifetime.
 

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"

The Law of Conservation of Energy has let to be broken.

The only way this machine can give us more energy output compared to energy input, is if any of the atoms in the saline mixture decayed into energy. In which case, we're destroying an nonrenewable resource. One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of fusion power. We'll never get that matter back in our lifetime.

Like you'll get back the fossil fuels you burn now in your lifetime...

Fusion doesn't give you hydrogen back, but you do get a lot for what you put in. I venture to say that the amount of energy that would be available to us would be mind boggling if fusion ever works, with little chance of running out of fuel. I'm sure there are some calculations on this somewhere.
 

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I would be really curious to know more specs of the machine itself, but of course, I can see why they're not just being passed around :p
Suppose he stumbled on the resonant frequency of the chemical bond or something?
 

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Originally posted by: Analog
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"

The Law of Conservation of Energy has let to be broken.

The only way this machine can give us more energy output compared to energy input, is if any of the atoms in the saline mixture decayed into energy. In which case, we're destroying an nonrenewable resource. One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of fusion power. We'll never get that matter back in our lifetime.

Like you'll get back the fossil fuels you burn now in your lifetime...

Fusion doesn't give you hydrogen back, but you do get a lot for what you put in. I venture to say that the amount of energy that would be available to us would be mind boggling if fusion ever works, with little chance of running out of fuel. I'm sure there are some calculations on this somewhere.

Well that's the trick. We CAN do fusion right now, but it costs more energy than it produces. This was why 'cold fusion' was such a big deal back in the 80s-90s... they thought they had created fusion without all the energy required.
 

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BTW, if the machine is lighting up water and paper... then why didn't he go up in a ball of flames when he was trying to cure his cancer with the machine? We are composed of 95% water.
 

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Originally posted by: Looney
BTW, if the machine is lighting up water and paper... then why didn't he go up in a ball of flames when he was trying to cure his cancer with the machine? We are composed of 95% water.

Maybe he's onto spontaneous human combustion!
 

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.

See you're thinking conventionally. Very few people can see outside the box and those are the people that change the world. And sometimes those things that change the world are so simple that when it appears everyone says "why didn't I think of that"

Just because some loon comes out with some idea doesn't mean it's true. This guy tries to build his own machine to cure cancer, and instead accidentally stumbles upon something that goes out of bounds of our known physics?

Yeah, i'm really going to give this guy lots of credibility.
this was on fark a few days ago

link with video

i seem to remember reading about something similar in national geographic about killing cancer within the last year. i have about 3 years worth of the mag though, and dont feel like hunting it down right now.

the idea that was being studied was that of injecting gold nanoparticles into a patient that would, somehow, find their way only into the cancer cells, and then youd submit the patient to a radiation treatment to heat the gold which would kill the cancer.

i dont recall anything about some crazy guy in florida trying it with pie pans who ended up burning saltwater, but rather it being studied in a lab by scientists. *shrug* still, i have a link with video :p
 

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I got a proposal to solve the energy crisis. It involves plugging people into an electrical grid and virtual reality.
 

Roguestar

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.

This is both easier than you think, and freakin' old news. Does anyone remember the scrapheap challenge episode where they made a hydrogen-explosion powered tomato thrower? They used a huge current to seperate water into hydrogen and oxygen, then ignited it. It's really not that big that some dude managed this in his back yard; chemistry teachers have been doing it for years.
 

911paramedic

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He doesn't need to break the Law of Conservation of Energy, but the "burning water" would be on the losing end of the energy deal. By that, it would take more energy to cause burning water than the heat energy from the water burning.

Didn't somebody else do this recently and it turned out to be a scam? Putting radio waves through water at a certain frequency until the H's and O's parted company, and ran a car on the H's? Sounds familiar to me...
 

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Originally posted by: Roguestar
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: homercles337
Where's the energy for his maching coming from? All it said was its a machine that emits radio waves.

Really, if this was possible, the amount of energy required to break the bonds of hydrogen and oxygen would be immense.

This is both easier than you think, and freakin' old news. Does anyone remember the scrapheap challenge episode where they made a hydrogen-explosion powered tomato thrower? They used a huge current to seperate water into hydrogen and oxygen, then ignited it. It's really not that big that some dude managed this in his back yard; chemistry teachers have been doing it for years.

Using ELECTRICITY is somewhat different than using RADIOWAVES for hydrolysis

 
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would of been hilarious if he used it on himself...well, not really, seeing as we are mostly water and we excrete lots of salty minerals when we sweat...he'd have gone up like a christmas tree. assuming this is real of course.

wonder what type of radio waves..... microwaves can heat water up, maybe all hes made is some kinda high powered microwave, or has perhaps somehow made the radio waves coherent like laser light, focusing the energey
 

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Yes, but a large enough amount of energy and it'd probably work the same. Think microwaving something to that point.