FL Voting Bill seeks to supress voters or to protect voting integrity?

[chucky2]

I have never understood how those so fired up about being disenfranchised about not being registered to vote simply don't go get registered to vote if it's so important to them.

To me it's exceedingly easy: If you want to vote, go register. If you're too F'ing lazy and/or dumb to do that, why would the country want your "high quality" vote in the first place?

Chuck

 

[theeedude]

It's the only way Republicans can win going forward. The party is bankrupt of ideas and full of idiots.

 

[JockoJohnson]

It's the only way Republicans can win going forward. The party is bankrupt of ideas and full of idiots.

Cause that's how they won by so much in the last election as well?

People are sick of being lied to by both sides. I can understand the fear of a new way to register to vote. But does our current system prevent illegal immigrants from registering? Or did I miss the memo and it is legal for them to vote now? Do normal US citizens not have access to a driver's license/state issued non-driver's license, etc.?

I can't wait to see what retards will now misconstrue my comments as racist.

 

[Anarchist420]

If voters prefer one party over the other, the losing party should:

A) Accept the verdict of the voters and try to get more votes

B) Their elected officials pass laws to prevent as many people voting as possible

That's what we have. America stands for voting, for the people having the power.

Trying to prevent people from voting should be strongly condemned as anti-American.

Republicans last election were getting somewhere in the ballpark of 30-40% of new voters' votes.

So, there is a partisan aspect to this: Democrats wanting as many new voters as possible, while Republicans benefit from as few as possible. But there's a larger issue than treating this like a partisan issue - the important of the principle that the people should have the power and vote, the more the better.

Saying otherwise is like saying some radical group who can't get votes - say, the KKK - would be justified in radically preventing voting because it helps them get power.

No, it doesn't justify it. Their right ti get power does NOT extend to doing so at the expense of democracy.

Republicans in a number of states are passing some of the most restrictive measures I've ever heard of trying to minimize new voters - for ONE reason.

For their own desire for power they can't get under democracy.

The steps include for a few examples:

- requiring new 'state registration' for ANY voter registration drive people
- requiring a birth certificate or passport as identification to register (making convenient registration drives like at public events impossible, those aren't carried)
- requiring recently married women to provide their marriage certificate
- making it more difficult to have your vote count if you change addresses (most common among Democratic voters)

None of these are 'hire drive by shootings at lines of voters in Democratic areas' type complete destruction.

But in elections where margins are common of 1%, 2%, 5%, 8%, every added hurdle reducing new voters threatens to change the election in their favor.

Here's a Rachel Maddow report on one state's measures:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Any citizens who support democracy should oppose these anti-American attacks on democracy by people trying to gain power by preventing votes.

TBH, for the 2012 election season, I'd like to start a militia network, a violent one, that intimidated, harrassed, and performed violence against everyone at the polls who didn't vote for Ron Paul, since those voters who don't vote for him are simply aggressive and our infringing upon everyone's liberty. That's really been my dream for the past 2 years.

Unfortunately, I don't have the means to do so.

I'd really like a return to the days when the Federal government wasn't as powerful, so that people who voted for wars, universal health care, disarming people, and other statist policies, would be at the mercy of libertarians at the polls.

I'd also like to ask you: why do you think voting is a right, especially when it is a vote for aggression?

Voting is not a right, because it requires action on someone else's behalf. It's a vote for the state, and no one has a right to the state, including police and military protection, in addition to universal health care.

 

[wuliheron]

Both parties routinely use gerrymandering and other methods to fix the vote. It isn't so much a way to gain power, as to stay in power. If you don't like it, then don't vote republican or democrat.

 

[Siddhartha]

TBH, for the 2012 election season, I'd like to start a militia network, a violent one, that intimidated, harrassed, and performed violence against everyone at the polls who didn't vote for Ron Paul, since those voters who don't vote for him are simply aggressive and our infringing upon everyone's liberty. That's really been my dream for the past 2 years.

Unfortunately, I don't have the means to do so.

I'd really like a return to the days when the Federal government wasn't as powerful, so that people who voted for wars, universal health care, disarming people, and other statist policies, would be at the mercy of libertarians at the polls.

I'd also like to ask you: why do you think voting is a right, especially when it is a vote for aggression?

Voting is not a right, because it requires action on someone else's behalf. It's a vote for the state, and no one has a right to the state, including police and military protection, in addition to universal health care.

Weren't you advocating that voters no longer directly choose their US Senators?

 

[CallMeJoe]

..Personally, maybe you should have to have proof you payed your taxes should be required to register. Either that or have a list of addresses with delinquent taxes, and dont let them vote. If you dont pay your porperty taxes you shouldnt be able to vote.

As long as there's no literacy test you'll be OK.

 

[Fern]

Fraudulent voting which according to all evidence isn't a problem with laws which according to all evidence will invalidate legal and valid votes that by a huge margin will be for Democrats. Don't try to defend these disgusting tactics.

Interestingly enough studies have shown a correlation between higher education and voting Democrat. If you have at least a bachelor's degree you are more likely to vote Dem. As well Democrats tend to win most states with the highest levels of bachelor's degrees.

So, according to you Democratic voters are the smart ones, yet all attempts to require that voters have their names spelled correctly etc result in invalidating Democratic votes?

Shouldn't these smart Dem voters be most capable of getting their names and addresses correct, or showing up at the polls on the right day?

Have to lol. The Dems are the smart and highly educated voters? Can anybody remember the notorious "butterfly ballot"?

Florida is a unique state in some ways. There are an awful lot of people who claim residence there because they have no personal income tax, yet spend most of their time elsewhere. I know of no effective way states can cross check to stop people from casting ballots in two or more states. One needs to be found.

Fern

 

[hal2kilo]

Republicans have been pulling this anit-democracy shit for years. There are several caging injunctions against state Republican parites in the south for years. Hell, if they had their way, we'd go back to only property owners being allowed to vote. Talk about your elitists.

 

[wuliheron]

Republicans have been pulling this anit-democracy shit for years. There are several caging injunctions against state Republican parites in the south for years. Hell, if they had their way, we'd go back to only property owners being allowed to vote. Talk about your elitists.

Well, yeah, their pretty extreme. But that's just who they are. Extremists-R-US and either states wise up to fact or they get stomped on.

 

[Craig234]

First, I see the thread was moved - so apparently I accidentally opened it in the wrong forum, sorry.

Second, the posts all seem out of order - my OP is now #23.

Something weird.

 

[Craig234]

Republicans have been pulling this anit-democracy shit for years. There are several caging injunctions against state Republican parites in the south for years. Hell, if they had their way, we'd go back to only property owners being allowed to vote. Talk about your elitists.

A large amount of voter discrimination based on race in the south led to an ongoing set of special rules the south has to follow to help ensure fair elections, under the watch of the federal government; it comes up for renewal every several years. The last time it came up, predictably, Republicans fought not to renew it, but the anti-racists won.