FL Voting Bill seeks to supress voters or to protect voting integrity?

[wayliff]

I personally do not understand what the big deal for more people to able to vote via an absentee ballot as long as there are good measures to avoid vote duplication and fraud.

I think the more valid votes that people cast the better...we'll get what The People truly want...be it R or D or whatever...not that there's more choice.

I can't help to think there's a political agenda behind it...is it to prevent voting for certain populations? Perhaps. It just does not seem so innocent as just reducing costs or increase accountability.

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[Patranus]

LOL@"assault on voters".

Typical liberals.

"assault on unions"
"assault on seniors"
"assault on education"

How about "saving legal voters"?

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL@"assault on voters".

Typical liberals.

"assault on unions"
"assault on seniors"
"assault on education"

How about "saving legal voters"?

Saving legal voters from what, exactly?

Standard lame obfuscation. I'd expect nothing less. When old line voter registration groups like the league of women voters say it's a power play, an attempt to suppress votes, they're probably right.

Maybe we should bring back literacy tests and poll taxes just to be sure, huh? Scratch the literacy tests- too many righties would fail at this point...

 

[Matt1970]

Voter Intimidation

 

[Jhhnn]

Voter Intimidation

That's supposed to have something to do with the discussion at hand? Really?

 

[Matt1970]

That's supposed to have something to do with the discussion at hand? Really?

Sure it does. If we can't pass laws to get the kind of votes we want, then we will get it other ways.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Florida currently requires voters to show ID at the polls as well, so from what Democrats have told us poor people can't vote there as it is.

 

[her209]

Voter Intimidation

Is that girl in the background shaking in her panties trying to get a hold the cops?

 

[Jhhnn]

Sure it does. If we can't pass laws to get the kind of votes we want, then we will get it other ways.

In a nation of over 300M people, two boneheads show up in costumes at a polling place and that's supposed to mean something really, really big, something that justifies other attempts to shape the electorate more to the liking of Republicans in Florida?

Is the concept of false equivalency entirely lost on you?

 

[PokerGuy]

Saving legal voters from what, exactly?

Saving legal voters from having their vote diluted due to fraudulent or other invalid voting.

 

[thraashman]

In a nation of over 300M people, two boneheads show up in costumes at a polling place and that's supposed to mean something really, really big, something that justifies other attempts to shape the electorate more to the liking of Republicans in Florida?

Is the concept of false equivalency entirely lost on you?

Remember, according to Republicans, two people with no affiliation to either party, who all accounts and investigations say did no actual intimidation and did not discourage and voting, are equivalent to the Republican party changing laws to discourage legal voting by groups who would likely vote for Democrats. The Republican party gets more and more disgusting with each passing day. And you have people like Patranus who thinks that disenfranchisement is ok so long as it's done to people who will likely vote Democrat. It's vomitous and sickening that anyone would defend such tactics with their obvious intent of disenfranchising voters.

 

[thraashman]

Saving legal voters from having their vote diluted due to fraudulent or other invalid voting.

Fraudulent voting which according to all evidence isn't a problem with laws which according to all evidence will invalidate legal and valid votes that by a huge margin will be for Democrats. Don't try to defend these disgusting tactics.

 

[PokerGuy]

I personally do not understand what the big deal for more people to able to vote via an absentee ballot as long as there are good measures to avoid vote duplication and fraud.

This makes sense on all levels, but only if there are good measures in place to prevent fraud and other shenanigans. Unfortunately, any time anyone wants to do anything to ensure the votes are valid and not fraudulent, the idiots come out of the woodwork to whine about disenfranchising and complaining.

I think the more valid votes that people cast the better...

The more informed votes that people cast the better. Having people cast uninformed votes just to say they voted doesn't help anything. That's why much of the "get out the vote" efforts are misguided. If the voter doesn't educate themselves on the issues, efforts to get them to the polls are useless.

 

[thraashman]

This makes sense on all levels, but only if there are good measures in place to prevent fraud and other shenanigans. Unfortunately, any time anyone wants to do anything to ensure the votes are valid and not fraudulent, the idiots come out of the woodwork to whine about disenfranchising and complaining.



The more informed votes that people cast the better. Having people cast uninformed votes just to say they voted doesn't help anything. That's why much of the "get out the vote" efforts are misguided. If the voter doesn't educate themselves on the issues, efforts to get them to the polls are useless.

Interestingly enough studies have shown a correlation between higher education and voting Democrat. If you have at least a bachelor's degree you are more likely to vote Dem. As well Democrats tend to win most states with the highest levels of bachelor's degrees.

 

[Matt1970]

Fraudulent voting which according to all evidence isn't a problem with laws which according to all evidence will invalidate legal and valid votes that by a huge margin will be for Democrats. Don't try to defend these disgusting tactics.

Democrats cry foul, play the race and gender card any time any changes are made to voter registration. You know damn well you are playing politics. Go to the damn post office and fill out a simple form and you are registered. If you can't make it to the post office then you can do it online and then they will even send you a postage paid envelope to send it in. Quit acting like we are blocking access to voter registration.

Do I really need to bring up ACORN??????

 

[wayliff]

The more informed votes that people cast the better.

Yes! totally. That should have been part of my initial comment.

 

[thraashman]

Democrats cry foul, play the race and gender card any time any changes are made to voter registration. You know damn well you are playing politics. Go to the damn post office and fill out a simple form and you are registered. If you can't make it to the post office then you can do it online and then they will even send you a postage paid envelope to send it in. Quit acting like we are blocking access to voter registration.

Do I really need to bring up ACORN??????

First off, you cannot register to vote at the post office. You register for selective service at the post office. I know because I originally tried to register to vote at the post office. I personally when I registered had to do it at a get out the vote type rally. Second, I know I personally had to make an alteration on my last voter registration at the poll because I had recently moved and my registration was at my old address. One of the things this law would do is make what I did very difficult to possibly even invalidate my valid vote. This topic isn't even about voter registration it's about invalidating legal votes and making it harder to vote.

Also, feel free to bring up ACORN, the organization who all investigation findings said did nothing illegal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/acorn-investigation-finds_n_382624.html

http://coloradoindependent.com/50559/calif-attorney-general-acorn-committed-no-criminal-acts

http://coloradoindependent.com/48555/the-acorn-scandal-then-and-now

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/091222.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-14/...rn-housing-corporation-disband?_s=PM:POLITICS

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If you address changes you should be required to edit you voter registration. Federal/State/Local voting is determined by your address. It took me less than 15 minutes to change my voter registration in Texas.

 

[PokerGuy]

Interestingly enough studies have shown a correlation between higher education and voting Democrat. If you have at least a bachelor's degree you are more likely to vote Dem. As well Democrats tend to win most states with the highest levels of bachelor's degrees.

Which means nothing. Just goes to show you that education level != intelligence, and that states with highest levels of bachelors degrees != states with common sense.

Logic Fail.

 

[Matt1970]

First off, you cannot register to vote at the post office. You register for selective service at the post office. I know because I originally tried to register to vote at the post office. I personally when I registered had to do it at a get out the vote type rally. Second, I know I personally had to make an alteration on my last voter registration at the poll because I had recently moved and my registration was at my old address. One of the things this law would do is make what I did very difficult to possibly even invalidate my valid vote. This topic isn't even about voter registration it's about invalidating legal votes and making it harder to vote.

Also, feel free to bring up ACORN, the organization who all investigation findings said did nothing illegal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/07/acorn-investigation-finds_n_382624.html

http://coloradoindependent.com/50559/calif-attorney-general-acorn-committed-no-criminal-acts

http://coloradoindependent.com/48555/the-acorn-scandal-then-and-now

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/091222.html

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-06-14/...rn-housing-corporation-disband?_s=PM:POLITICS

"You can pick up a voter registration form at your county elections office, library, or U.S. Post Office." - Sorry I left out the stamp and mailing part. Wow, that's hard.

To date there are numerous convictions against ACORN. This is just the few I found.

Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen.

In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.”

In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence.

In Miami, Florida, former ACORN voter registration canvassers Maurice Childress, Kashawn John, Liltovia Rhodes, Carlos Torres, Evangeline Williams, Lilkevia Williams, and Richard Williams, were all convicted of “false swearing in an election.”

All were sentenced to probation, community service, and forbidden to participate in political campaigns, according to the office of Katherine Fernandez Rundle, State Attorney for Miami-Dade County. In addition, Childress and Richard Williams were ordered to serve 72 days and 125 days in jail, respectively.

Arrest warrants were issued for three other former ACORN canvassers in the Miami area who are apparently still at large.

In Pennsylvania, former ACORN workers Alexis Givner, Mario Grisom, and Eric L. Jones, were convicted of voter registration fraud-related offenses. All three were sentenced to two years probation.

ACORN, the nonprofit shell corporation that runs the ACORN network, is still facing criminal prosecution in Nevada.

Although ACORN filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy on Election Day to escape its debts, prosecutor Conrad Hafen, who is Nevada’s chief deputy state attorney general, previously said neither bankruptcy nor dissolution would “necessarily protect (ACORN) from prosecution” in Nevada.

 

[Lanyap]

Is that girl in the background shaking in her panties trying to get a hold the cops?

She's calling fox news.

 

[Jhhnn]

"You can pick up a voter registration form at your county elections office, library, or U.S. Post Office." - Sorry I left out the stamp and mailing part. Wow, that's hard.

To date there are numerous convictions against ACORN. This is just the few I found.

Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen.

In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.”

In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence.

In Miami, Florida, former ACORN voter registration canvassers Maurice Childress, Kashawn John, Liltovia Rhodes, Carlos Torres, Evangeline Williams, Lilkevia Williams, and Richard Williams, were all convicted of “false swearing in an election.”

All were sentenced to probation, community service, and forbidden to participate in political campaigns, according to the office of Katherine Fernandez Rundle, State Attorney for Miami-Dade County. In addition, Childress and Richard Williams were ordered to serve 72 days and 125 days in jail, respectively.

Arrest warrants were issued for three other former ACORN canvassers in the Miami area who are apparently still at large.

In Pennsylvania, former ACORN workers Alexis Givner, Mario Grisom, and Eric L. Jones, were convicted of voter registration fraud-related offenses. All three were sentenced to two years probation.

ACORN, the nonprofit shell corporation that runs the ACORN network, is still facing criminal prosecution in Nevada.

Although ACORN filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy on Election Day to escape its debts, prosecutor Conrad Hafen, who is Nevada’s chief deputy state attorney general, previously said neither bankruptcy nor dissolution would “necessarily protect (ACORN) from prosecution” in Nevada.

None of those convictions were made against the organization itself, and several of those convictions were made on the basis of information initially provided by ACORN in the form of suspected illegal registrations by their own workers.

The more informed votes that people cast the better. Having people cast uninformed votes just to say they voted doesn't help anything. That's why much of the "get out the vote" efforts are misguided. If the voter doesn't educate themselves on the issues, efforts to get them to the polls are useless.

Depends on your perspective. I'm pretty sure all of these looneytunes are registered to vote, and to vote Republican-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77rtyQf6Hwk&feature=player_embedded

 

[Craig234]

If voters prefer one party over the other, the losing party should:

A) Accept the verdict of the voters and try to get more votes

B) Their elected officials pass laws to prevent as many people voting as possible

That's what we have. America stands for voting, for the people having the power.

Trying to prevent people from voting should be strongly condemned as anti-American.

Republicans last election were getting somewhere in the ballpark of 30-40% of new voters' votes.

So, there is a partisan aspect to this: Democrats wanting as many new voters as possible, while Republicans benefit from as few as possible. But there's a larger issue than treating this like a partisan issue - the important of the principle that the people should have the power and vote, the more the better.

Saying otherwise is like saying some radical group who can't get votes - say, the KKK - would be justified in radically preventing voting because it helps them get power.

No, it doesn't justify it. Their right ti get power does NOT extend to doing so at the expense of democracy.

Republicans in a number of states are passing some of the most restrictive measures I've ever heard of trying to minimize new voters - for ONE reason.

For their own desire for power they can't get under democracy.

The steps include for a few examples:

- requiring new 'state registration' for ANY voter registration drive people
- requiring a birth certificate or passport as identification to register (making convenient registration drives like at public events impossible, those aren't carried)
- requiring recently married women to provide their marriage certificate
- making it more difficult to have your vote count if you change addresses (most common among Democratic voters)

None of these are 'hire drive by shootings at lines of voters in Democratic areas' type complete destruction.

But in elections where margins are common of 1%, 2%, 5%, 8%, every added hurdle reducing new voters threatens to change the election in their favor.

Here's a Rachel Maddow report on one state's measures:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

Any citizens who support democracy should oppose these anti-American attacks on democracy by people trying to gain power by preventing votes.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I guess you missed this thread.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2159896

 

[piasabird]

Only allow voter registration at a police station or a county court house or by a government employee that can be held liable to the actual laws. Allow voter registration on the spot if you have documentation. In other words, if you show up with a birth certificate and some document linking you to a specific address like a Power Bill, you get to vote, registered or not.

Personally, maybe you should have to have proof you payed your taxes should be required to register. Either that or have a list of addresses with delinquent taxes, and dont let them vote. If you dont pay your porperty taxes you shouldnt be able to vote.