[fixed] Dragon Age 2 Low Performance on Nvidia Cards [fixed]

[n0x1ous]

I'm surprised these kinds of business arrangements are not viewed as anti-competitive by the FTC given the effective duopoly that exists in discrete video cards for gaming.

Of course it prolly doesn't help that you have an effective monopoly, Microsoft, dictating the terms and conditions of the DX API itself.

What do you mean monopoly? What about OPEN GL!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Seero]

I don't see him taunting anybody.

I do. Key tried his best to toward opinions/problems they have to Nvidia. What else do people expect? Where is the thank? Do people think Keys got 10k a month for doing that?

Interestingly, many ain't looking for a solution, but an opportunity to bash Nvidia. When SC2 came out, all AMD cards doesn't support AA. Instead of bashing AMD's incapability to release a driver in time, they accuse Nvidia for blocking AMD from using AA (search here in this forum.) Now DA2 came out and all Fermi based card experience high tax while running the game that never happened in any other Dx11 games before. They accuse Nvidia for their incapability to release a driver in time. Funny how they believed that the game is glitch free just because 6990 + its latest driver rocks it hard.

Mind you that AMD users can't even run the game without the latest driver. Ninja code before the game release as they have exclusive access? Non-standard API calls? Dx11 bugs? Were those possability mentioned here? No, just plain Nvidia suck posts.

Seriously, we have keys who tries to get a solution for people, then we have others who basically saids nothing but "Nvidia sucks".

Where is the taunt? We have lots of sad Nvidia owners who can't get a reasonable FPS, but all they get in this thread by those Nvidia hater is "Nvidia sucks" and how they have a friend who owns a 6990 rocks and link images indicating that 6990 rocks. Help? Nope. Trolling? Big time. Intimadating to those who tries very hard to get solutions for people who he doesn't know, passing inforation to from mute to deafs? Big time.

 

[Seero]

Back to the thread. Other than driver updates, some say turning ambient occlusion off helps. Dx9 helps. very high setting doesn't help.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I am surprised no one pointed the finger at AMD for crippling the performance on the GeForce cards, I know if it was a TWIMTP game people would be all over nVidia.

If you find an AMD-created artifiical vendor ID lock out that can be switched to fool the game into thinking you have an AMD card when you actually have a GeForce, let us know.

 

[Grooveriding]

AMD gets drug over the coals for things like AA in Batman and 'not supporting developers' or roasted when they had AA working in Starcraft 2 a week later than nvidia did.

A huge AAA title comes out that performs like ass on nvidia, I mean ass! A 6870 is faster in this game than my setup. And there is an issue with saying hey nv wassup bro ?

Come on. This is ridiculous. I've settled for playing with the settings turned down, but it would of been nice to have them turned up as I generally don't play through single player games twice.

Nvidia driver fail. :thumbsdown:

 

[n0x1ous]

AMD gets drug over the coals for things like AA in Batman and 'not supporting developers' or roasted when they had AA working in Starcraft 2 a week later than nvidia did.

A huge AAA title comes out that performs like ass on nvidia, I mean ass! A 6870 is faster in this game than my setup. And there is an issue with saying hey nv wassup bro ?

Come on. This is ridiculous. I've settled for playing with the settings turned down, but it would of been nice to have them turned up as I generally don't play through single player games twice.

Nvidia driver fail. :thumbsdown:

It looks like Nv dropped the ball on this one, they are not perfect, however AMD has done this in the past as well whether it be no CF profile or the latest hotfix to get something going, or the 6990 only using one GPU in a few games. It ususally gets straightened out in the end by both sides.

I don't believe that AMD has done anything malicious here and like keys said, Nv has a fix on the way.

Groove, I can understand your frustration. When you have a killer setup like you do, you expect to max everything out on whatever game your playing and there is nothing wrong with complaining about that, but you lend yourself a bit to a post like that from Seero, because despite the Nv gear you own, most of your posts are positive towards AMD and negative towards NV.

 

[96Firebird]

I do. Key tried his best to toward opinions/problems they have to Nvidia. What else do people expect? Where is the thank? Do people think Keys got 10k a month for doing that?

Interestingly, many ain't looking for a solution, but an opportunity to bash Nvidia. When SC2 came out, all AMD cards doesn't support AA. Instead of bashing AMD's incapability to release a driver in time, they accuse Nvidia for blocking AMD from using AA (search here in this forum.) Now DA2 came out and all Fermi based card experience high tax while running the game that never happened in any other Dx11 games before. They accuse Nvidia for their incapability to release a driver in time. Funny how they believed that the game is glitch free just because 6990 + its latest driver rocks it hard.

Mind you that AMD users can't even run the game without the latest driver. Ninja code before the game release as they have exclusive access? Non-standard API calls? Dx11 bugs? Were those possability mentioned here? No, just plain Nvidia suck posts.

Seriously, we have keys who tries to get a solution for people, then we have others who basically saids nothing but "Nvidia sucks".

Where is the taunt? We have lots of sad Nvidia owners who can't get a reasonable FPS, but all they get in this thread by those Nvidia hater is "Nvidia sucks" and how they have a friend who owns a 6990 rocks and link images indicating that 6990 rocks. Help? Nope. Trolling? Big time. Intimadating to those who tries very hard to get solutions for people who he doesn't know, passing inforation to from mute to deafs? Big time.

It really is funny how most of those who are quick to bash Nvidia when something runs bad on AMD cards are the ones who also blame Nvidia when something runs back on Nvidia cards. Nvidia just can't win! They must be a failing company with all the horrible business practices they partake in.

 

[Seero]

AMD gets drug over the coals for things like AA in Batman and 'not supporting developers' or roasted when they had AA working in Starcraft 2 a week later than nvidia did.

A huge AAA title comes out that performs like ass on nvidia, I mean ass! A 6870 is faster in this game than my setup. And there is an issue with saying hey nv wassup bro ?

Come on. This is ridiculous. I've settled for playing with the settings turned down, but it would of been nice to have them turned up as I generally don't play through single player games twice.

Nvidia driver fail. :thumbsdown:

I guess the problem is a bit more complicated that you think. All AMD user missed was MSAA in batman, and AA in SC2. For DA2, all fermi cards ain't performing in a acceptable level. 600 bucks for 10-20 FPS with no more than 1 year old CPU is not acceptable. Doesn't it makes you wonder how can an AAA game gets out of the house with that kind of problems? We can talking about roughly 50% of the users.

In short bioward released a game that doesn't work properly on Nvidia's video card. Nvidia's driver is one part of the puzzle, but not the most important one as it works for everything else but DA2. Unless there is a bug, driver tweak ain't going to do alot. In fact, Nvidia already released a tweaked driver for DA2, but Fermi is still performing half of what they should be doing.

 

[Red Storm]

I guess the problem is a bit more complicated that you think. All AMD user missed was MSAA in batman, and AA in SC2. For DA2, all fermi cards ain't performing in a acceptable level. 600 bucks for 10-20 FPS with no more than 1 year old CPU is not acceptable. Doesn't it makes you wonder how can an AAA game gets out of the house with that kind of problems? We can talking about roughly 50% of the users.

In short bioward released a game that doesn't work properly on Nvidia's video card. Nvidia's driver is one part of the puzzle, but not the most important one as it works for everything else but DA2. Unless there is a bug, driver tweak ain't going to do alot. In fact, Nvidia already released a tweaked driver for DA2, but Fermi is still performing half of what they should be doing.

Where have you been? This is a common thing to see with many PC releases today. Day 1 (and even day 0) patches are almost becoming the norm. This is nothing new at all, I'm sure both companies are going to implement performance fixes for DA2.

 

[tincart]

It is unclear what the situation really is and we shouldn't come to judgments before we know. It is probable that we never will.

Any of the following are possible:

1) Bioware screwed up and the issue has nothing to do with AMD or nVidia. It may be entirely in the coding of the game and will be fixed with a patch. We may recall this happening with Fallout: New Vegas, except that game ran terribly on every video card before it was patched.

2) AMD is involved in some deliberate malfeasance in collusion with Bioware in order to make their competitor look bad in this game.

3) nVidia has some correctable driver issue which they will release a fix for.

4) For some reason AMD's architecture is just better at running DA2. We could still expect driver and/or patch improvements but AMD will still have an advantage in this game, as they do in F1 or as nV does in Lost Planet 2.

5) Strange and undetectable cosmic rays emanating from a pulsar constructed by a super-intelligent race of space-Nazis living at the fringes of the universe are attacking nVidia hardware while running DA2 because, dammit, the space-Nazis don't want you to enjoy your game.

6) Insert other possibility here.

7) Some combination of the above issues.

 

[Seero]

Where have you been? This is a common thing to see with many PC releases today. Day 1 (and even day 0) patches are almost becoming the norm. This is nothing new at all, I'm sure both companies are going to implement performance fixes for DA2.

I think you are confused from a release consists of new game profile with a new driver. In laymen's terms, games will run with older drivers, but newer ones will gain 5-20% performance with the one with the correct game profile. DA2 is different, for AMD user, the game crashes with older drivers. For Nvidia user, the game performs extremely poor with old drivers. With AMD's new driver, FPS increase, but graphics are blurry(I don't know how blurry is blurry). With Nvidia's new driver, FPS still bad, but better than before. Some user, regardless of vendor, experience freeze, crash, or/and stutter.

 

[Grooveriding]

I think you are confused from a release consists of new game profile with a new driver. In laymen's terms, games will run with older drivers, but newer ones will gain 5-20% performance with the one with the correct game profile. DA2 is different, for AMD user, the game crashes with older drivers. For Nvidia user, the game performs extremely poor with old drivers. With AMD's new driver, FPS increase, but graphics are blurry(I don't know how blurry is blurry). With Nvidia's new driver, FPS still bad, but better than before. Some user, regardless of vendor, experience freeze, crash, or/and stutter.

I get about 20fps on my system. FPS is abysmal with nvidia, why, who knows. What is known is that using the DX11 settings of this game gives terrible frames/fps on nvidia, but not on AMD.

 

[Seero]

I get about 20fps on my system. FPS is abysmal with nvidia, why, who knows. What is known is that using the DX11 settings of this game gives terrible frames/fps on nvidia, but not on AMD.

Quote from Bioward officials

Hello Dragon Age II PC users.

We are aware that some people are having problems with running DX11 and Dragon Age II. We are investigating all issues, but before reporting your issues here please try the following:
Shut Down Dragon Age II

Nvidia Card users, download the new Nvidia drivers here: Nvidia Drivers

ATI Card users, download the new ATI drivers here: ATI Drivers

Restart Dragon Age II

We’re currently working with AMD and nVidia on the following issues:

1) Severe slowdowns on very high details on nVidia (game running at less than 10 FPS). **Note: Some users are still reporting “low framerates” in the 30’s, assuming it should run better on their PC. The very high detail is very demanding from the hardware, especially when running at a very high resolution. Any of the following can be tried to improve performance:

Use a lower antialiasing setting or turn antialiasing off completely

Disable v-sync

Use lower anisotropic filtering levels

Disable the diffusion depth of field effect

Disable the screen space ambient occlusion effect

Reduce screen resolution

Reduce graphics detail.


2) Game hangs on ATI cards. This is the specific driver that is needed. Going to the AMD site to search for a driver may not give them this early preview driver they need.

3) When trying to improve performance, make sure there are no custom options set in your video card control panel (NVIDIA control panel or Catalyst Control Center) and everything is set to defaults. Some of the options there may severely affect performance. Anti-aliasing transparency specifically has been seen to affect performance heavily

If none of the above help resolve your issues, please post any information you can in this thread.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/300/index/6420212/15
Bolded non-bs. 580...10 FPS...demanding...GG. It appears that graphics at high under Dx11 is okay, Dx9 is fine.

 

[Jionix]

It is unclear what the situation really is and we shouldn't come to judgments before we know. It is probable that we never will.

Any of the following are possible:

1) Bioware screwed up and the issue has nothing to do with AMD or nVidia. It may be entirely in the coding of the game and will be fixed with a patch. We may recall this happening with Fallout: New Vegas, except that game ran terribly on every video card before it was patched.

2) AMD is involved in some deliberate malfeasance in collusion with Bioware in order to make their competitor look bad in this game.

3) nVidia has some correctable driver issue which they will release a fix for.

4) For some reason AMD's architecture is just better at running DA2. We could still expect driver and/or patch improvements but AMD will still have an advantage in this game, as they do in F1 or as nV does in Lost Planet 2.

5) Strange and undetectable cosmic rays emanating from a pulsar constructed by a super-intelligent race of space-Nazis living at the fringes of the universe are attacking nVidia hardware while running DA2 because, dammit, the space-Nazis don't want you to enjoy your game.

6) Insert other possibility here.

7) Some combination of the above issues.

Similar to how I posed earlier --- I would be interested in finding out if this is just because of how the game was programmed, or if it's just a driver glitch.

Because, you would assume, if this game's DX11 path was programmed to DX11 spec (and if that doesn't sound like developer talk, you're right, I know little about programming itself), then maybe there is something quirky with Nvidia's DX11 implementation.

 

[Red Storm]

I think you are confused from a release consists of new game profile with a new driver. In laymen's terms, games will run with older drivers, but newer ones will gain 5-20% performance with the one with the correct game profile. DA2 is different, for AMD user, the game crashes with older drivers. For Nvidia user, the game performs extremely poor with old drivers. With AMD's new driver, FPS increase, but graphics are blurry(I don't know how blurry is blurry). With Nvidia's new driver, FPS still bad, but better than before. Some user, regardless of vendor, experience freeze, crash, or/and stutter.

Again, where have you been? So many times you see release day discusson on a new big game and there's talk of crashes to desktop or really low frames, etc. and then either the devs or AMD/Nvidia quickly release patches to fix the issues which should have been sorted it out before release. This is nothing new.

 

[Genx87]

AMD gets drug over the coals for things like AA in Batman and 'not supporting developers' or roasted when they had AA working in Starcraft 2 a week later than nvidia did.

A huge AAA title comes out that performs like ass on nvidia, I mean ass! A 6870 is faster in this game than my setup. And there is an issue with saying hey nv wassup bro ?

Come on. This is ridiculous. I've settled for playing with the settings turned down, but it would of been nice to have them turned up as I generally don't play through single player games twice.

Nvidia driver fail. :thumbsdown:

Lets see, Batman AA. The game has been out what, 18 months and still nothing from AMD? DA2 came out when? 2 days ago? If in 18 months DA2 still sucks on an Nvidia card feel free to point out how poor Nvidia support is in their drivers.

 

[badb0y]

Lets see, Batman AA. The game has been out what, 18 months and still nothing from AMD? DA2 came out when? 2 days ago? If in 18 months DA2 still sucks on an Nvidia card feel free to point out how poor Nvidia support is in their drivers.

What? I am pretty sure AA now works in Batman AA.
(Wow that's a mouthful)

 

[Genx87]

What? I am pretty sure AA now works in Batman AA.
(Wow that's a mouthful)

afaik only on a special edition of it.

 

[badb0y]

afaik only on a special edition of it.

You should be able to use MLAA if you got the standard edition and if your on an older card then your pretty much screwed unless you do the vendor ID trick or whatever it was.

 

[Arkadrel]

afaik only on a special edition of it.

because its a error in the game... *only* a new version of the game could fix it.. thanks to the help nvidia gave them no doubt.


The issue is... even if nvidia likes to do crappy stuff like that, AMD shouldnt.... its not good for anyone that these 2 competitors do this stuff, it hurts the users.

 

[Genx87]

You should be able to use MLAA if you got the standard edition and if your on an older card then your pretty much screwed unless you do the vendor ID trick or whatever it was.

Heh well I dont consider MLAA a true fix. And that is an expensive way to do it from a resource perspective.

 

[exar333]

I'm surprised these kinds of business arrangements are not viewed as anti-competitive by the FTC given the effective duopoly that exists in discrete video cards for gaming.

Of course it prolly doesn't help that you have an effective monopoly, Microsoft, dictating the terms and conditions of the DX API itself.

The interesting twist here is that everyone WANTED a third-party player to come in and actually make a standard in the 90's. Before this, PC gaming was a PITA.

 

[Genx87]

because its a error in the game... *only* a new version of the game could fix it.. thanks to the help nvidia gave them no doubt.


The issue is... even if nvidia likes to do crappy stuff like that, AMD shouldnt.... its not good for anyone that these 2 competitors do this stuff, it hurts the users.

AMD at any point could had supplied their own code to solve the issue. They didnt until the special edition of the game. This is for another thread. But it isnt Nvidia's duty to code AA into DX9 games for AMD. My point which nobody seems to want to address. On the original version of the game 18 months later AA still isnt available in the game for AMD users without trying to hack the game or on new cards using a blanket feature MLAA.

DA2 has been out 2 days and the OP is comparing that situation to one that has been going on for 18 months. The OP is free to piss all over Nvidia's ashes if in August of 2012 the game still runs like crap on Nvidia hardware.

 

[Grooveriding]

Lets see, Batman AA. The game has been out what, 18 months and still nothing from AMD? DA2 came out when? 2 days ago? If in 18 months DA2 still sucks on an Nvidia card feel free to point out how poor Nvidia support is in their drivers.

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=188517&st=0 :thumbsdown:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=180638&st=100 :thumbsdown:

Just a few examples of months of fail.

Neither here nor there.

This thread is about the abysmal performance of nvidia in DX11 in Dragon Age 2. Not about their drivers as a whole.

 

[exar333]

Using my sig machine to run DA2 and it is working really well. I am sure the green team will figure out some fixes to the performance relatively quickly and remedy the situation. As it stands, I am playing at 1920x1200, 2xAA, hi-res textures, and all the eye candy at max. It is running extremely smooth and I will try 4x or 8x AA later today and see if there are dramatic changes in smoothness.