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Ballatician

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Thanks for the advice.

It seems like a class for at least the first day is what I'll end up doing. I have no idea what the temps are going to be like but both gloves and socks are good ideas. I have gloves for some weird reason but will get some good socks. I've been looking online and some places like Amazon have snowboarding pants anywhere between $30-150. If I can go to some sports store around here to look at some this weekend I will.

HOPEFULLY, my acl will be fine, not funny. Thanks for the advice about not getting too much speed though I can see how that would be dangerous.

The place we are going is Lake Tahoe but I don't know the specifics of it as I've never been.

Most people are recommending to concentrate only on snowboarding as its easier to pick up. That's what I was thinking of doing because I don't think this will be a regular thing unless I move somewhere closer to the slopes.

I can't wait to go, bring on the cold, wet and soreness, it looks like so much fun.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|
 

Ballatician

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|

lol a lot of the places I've been reading complain about boarders being in the way. I'll try to make sure I'm not one of those.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
Thanks for the advice.

It seems like a class for at least the first day is what I'll end up doing. I have no idea what the temps are going to be like but both gloves and socks are good ideas. I have gloves for some weird reason but will get some good socks. I've been looking online and some places like Amazon have snowboarding pants anywhere between $30-150. If I can go to some sports store around here to look at some this weekend I will.

HOPEFULLY, my acl will be fine, not funny. Thanks for the advice about not getting too much speed though I can see how that would be dangerous.

The place we are going is Lake Tahoe but I don't know the specifics of it as I've never been.

Most people are recommending to concentrate only on snowboarding as its easier to pick up. That's what I was thinking of doing because I don't think this will be a regular thing unless I move somewhere closer to the slopes.

I can't wait to go, bring on the cold, wet and soreness, it looks like so much fun.

Tahoe is awesome. I've never been myself, but I just moved to the Bay Area, so hopefully soon....I usually ski in Colorado.

Be sure to wear easily-removable layers. Especially on the first go, you'll probably getting real hot and sweaty form all the crashing and picking yourself up.

I usually go with thermasilk undershirt + thin wind-proof fleece jacket + waterproof shell. I just wear insulated snow pants (for snow boarding) and one layer of socks.

good gloves, and GOGGLES. Can't overemphasize how essential goggles are for keeping you warm.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|

lol a lot of the places I've been reading complain about boarders being in the way. I'll try to make sure I'm not one of those.

meh. you will be. just don't try too hard not to be :p

really, the most annoying is when they ask for a "lift." when flat they can't get any momentum, so they expect you to sling them forward with your poles.

It's not so much the boarders; it's that there's so damn many of them these days as some 90% of the slope noobs are all boarding b/c it's "so cool."
 

zinfamous

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oh, as for the pants I wear, which are designed for boarding--only good if your shell has a snow jacket on the inside--something that you tighten up to keep snow from piling up and into your chest, under you jacket. This will happen a LOT when learning.

best to rent a traditional ski bib--waterproof overalls.
 

Ballatician

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I can already see how that would be annoying. If I see a gorilla-avatar skiing I'm definitely asking for a lift lol.

I was thinking more than one pair of pants would be super uncomfortable so thanks for the layering info.
 

Gooberlx2

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I doubt you'll be able to rent skiwear....but I've never tried. Obviously you'll be able to rent the basic major equipment: skis, boots, poles, possibly helmets and goggles. Get waterproof clothing and gloves and multiple pairs of thick socks. You can probably get by with cheap wind/waterproof shells if you wear plenty of under clothes like turtle-necks, fleeces, long johns, etc...

If this is something you're rarely ever going to do again, then don't blow a bunch of money on clothes. Bibs from Goodwill would probably do just fine. Shit gets expensive with winter sports.

I wouldn't switch it up much, 'cause you'll just be starting from the beginning all over again, and it takes a couple days to even begin to get a handle on things. Choose whichever one you're more naturally familiar with. Do you skateboard or wake board? Then try snowboarding. If you rollerblade then try skiing. If none of the above, try skiing. I think skiing is easier for beginners learn, but generally harder to master...or at least that's what my friends who do both always tell me (I've only skiied).

Pay for lessons, they're worth it.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Ballatician
I can already see how that would be annoying. If I see a gorilla-avatar skiing I'm definitely asking for a lift lol.

I was thinking more than one pair of pants would be super uncomfortable so thanks for the layering info.

if anything, just some long johns underneath. that + bib = good to go.

and most places will rent you a bib. pretty much every place I've been to offers that.
...and if you're driving up to tahoe, consider renting the gear in your own town if you have a nice sporting goods place. Usually way much cheaper to rent there for a few days rather than day-by-day, or even multi day in the ski areas.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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go with the three layer system: http://www.abc-of-hiking.com/h...three-layer-system.asp

In regards to snowboarding:
Whatever you do make sure your boots fit. Otherwise you'll get toe/heel lift which is no good. Get some goggles. I'd suggest getting a lesson. Snowboarding is pretty hard to just pick up. Most people don't have a clue how to teach someone else or they'll give you poor advice which you don't want. Might as well learn the right way. If you do end up snowboarding. Prepare to be sore after your first day.
 

TheVrolok

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Ballatician
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|

lol a lot of the places I've been reading complain about boarders being in the way. I'll try to make sure I'm not one of those.

meh. you will be. just don't try too hard not to be :p

really, the most annoying is when they ask for a "lift." when flat they can't get any momentum, so they expect you to sling them forward with your poles.

It's not so much the boarders; it's that there's so damn many of them these days as some 90% of the slope noobs are all boarding b/c it's "so cool."

QFT. All they do is swing back and forth across the slope pushing the snow off to the sides trying to look cool kicking it up. And then, lift times are so much longer than they used to be because, for some reason, boarders can't seem to properly get off a lift without falling flat on their faces causing the lift to stop until they get up. I swear, the last time I was at Seven Springs in PA, I'd say I saw .. hmm .. 70% of boarders fall off standing up from the lift.
 

Toonces

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Ballatician
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|

lol a lot of the places I've been reading complain about boarders being in the way. I'll try to make sure I'm not one of those.

meh. you will be. just don't try too hard not to be :p

really, the most annoying is when they ask for a "lift." when flat they can't get any momentum, so they expect you to sling them forward with your poles.

It's not so much the boarders; it's that there's so damn many of them these days as some 90% of the slope noobs are all boarding b/c it's "so cool."

QFT. All they do is swing back and forth across the slope pushing the snow off to the sides trying to look cool kicking it up. And then, lift times are so much longer than they used to be because, for some reason, boarders can't seem to properly get off a lift without falling flat on their faces causing the lift to stop until they get up. I swear, the last time I was at Seven Springs in PA, I'd say I saw .. hmm .. 70% of boarders fall off standing up from the lift.

Yeah it's crappy on groomed hills when you have to deal with piles on the sides and nothing in the middle. Meh, I just treat all the fallen boarders as gates and re-live my time on the high school downhill team, closer the turn the better :p
 

TheVrolok

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Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Ballatician
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: toonces
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: jacob0401
Skiing is easier to learn, so I've heard. Snowboarding the first couple times you go...prepare to fall all over the place, after that it gets better...

Word. Took me 4 tries over 2 years to get it down. Got my season pass and I'll be up at Tahoe once there's snow =].

BUTT PADS. trust me! I have them and even though I don't fall very much, I've fallen right on my ass once on hard ice because i was showing off on a blue slope (wtf I do blacks and I somehow fell on a blue on ice ><) and i would've probably not been able to get up if it werent for my butt pads.

The consensus among the instructors when I worked at a mountain in BC is snowboarding is easier to learn than skiing if you have no prior experience with either. They'd say start with snowboarding and so would I. :)

bah, fuck the borders. always in my way those little douches :|

lol a lot of the places I've been reading complain about boarders being in the way. I'll try to make sure I'm not one of those.

meh. you will be. just don't try too hard not to be :p

really, the most annoying is when they ask for a "lift." when flat they can't get any momentum, so they expect you to sling them forward with your poles.

It's not so much the boarders; it's that there's so damn many of them these days as some 90% of the slope noobs are all boarding b/c it's "so cool."

QFT. All they do is swing back and forth across the slope pushing the snow off to the sides trying to look cool kicking it up. And then, lift times are so much longer than they used to be because, for some reason, boarders can't seem to properly get off a lift without falling flat on their faces causing the lift to stop until they get up. I swear, the last time I was at Seven Springs in PA, I'd say I saw .. hmm .. 70% of boarders fall off standing up from the lift.

Yeah it's crappy on groomed hills when you have to deal with piles on the sides and nothing in the middle. Meh, I just treat all the fallen boarders as gates and re-live my time on the high school downhill team, closer the turn the better :p

:beer:
 

Cdubneeddeal

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My advice: Bring some Advil or Alieve. Your ass and head will be hurting. Wear some good pants that are waterproof. Your ass is going to be very wet from sitting down for long periods of time.
 

Evadman

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As a ski patroller, I would recommend that you avoid the trees. They don't move out of the way, and they don't give a lot when you hit them.

Other than that, everything has been mentioned.
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
GOGGLES. Can't overemphasize how essential goggles are for keeping you warm.

not to mention seeing where you're going. Cheap ones have a tendancy to fog, but even that's better than being blinded from hours of wind, glare, and snow in your eyes.
 
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I've only gone snowboarding twice - once a year in February in '07 and '08 as part of a house trip at college (and will be going again this February). I don't have anything beyond good gloves and a standard winter coat (outer wind/water proof shell and an inner fleece, but the bottoms of both can be tighted so that it hugs to your body more). The last two times I went, I wore a pair of nylon gym pants over a pair of jeans and that was good enough for water-proofness. Didn't have goggles, but I did wear sunglasses, which certainly helped keep the wind out of my eyes and cut down on the glare. I'll probably look for a pair of goggles when I go home though just because they would be better and more comfortable when wearing a winter hat.

I did start off on a snowboard (never skiied or snowboarded before) - they had a beginner lesson for basic board control and after practicing for an hour or so on the bunny slope, I moved onto the large, easy hill. Fell down a lot the first time I went, but towards the end, I was only falling once or twice when I would go down. Last February, a warm up on the bunny slope just to re-orient myself and I was falling down much less (maybe once every 2 or 3 runs) as well as being able to sort of handle a steeper, slightly harder hill. I didn't think it was too hard to pick up, and if I wasn't so lazy or had some people to go with back home over winter break (don't really talk to my HS friends anymore), I'd probably go to one of the places in Catskill State Park in NY.
 

duragezic

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Haha yeah I meant to mention in my first post to don't be afraid of the ski lifts and that really there is nothing to it to get off of them. I've seen a ton of people totally fail when getting off them. If you've ever skateboarded it will seem more natural, but really it's just calmly coast for 6-10 feet then take a couple of steps out of the way. You could attach your binding while on the lift although it's not the best thing to do and lift operators may have a rule or don't want you to do that.

Also it's pretty easy to move short distances on a snowboard while in both bindings on flat ground. It's sort of funny looking but it works. You keep the board perpendicular to the direction that you want to move, then alternate your legs forward one after or another, touching the nose down then the tail, then the nose, etc using the flex of the board. I don't know what it's called though. :)
 

0roo0roo

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there are books that give you tips on body position and technique. its nice to have theory in mind for when you actually have to do it.
don't sit on the slopes like a speed bump. snowboarders esp are annoying beginners, always sitting resting and just asking to be run over by other beginners heh
rest when you get to the bottom.
and yes, take a beginners lesson.
 

adairusmc

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Don't french fry when you should pizza. If you french fry instead of pizza you are gonna have a bad time.
 

thaugen

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I taught beginner skiers for 4 winters at Tahoe.

"if anything, just some long johns underneath. that + bib = good to go." Correct - you'll be sweating hot within an hour even if it's cold.

"You can probably get by with cheap wind/waterproof shells if you wear plenty of under clothes like turtle-necks, fleeces, long johns, etc..." I agree but I repeat, you'll be sweating hot ...

"If this is something you're rarely ever going to do again, then don't blow a bunch of money on clothes. Bibs from Goodwill would probably do just fine. Shit gets expensive with winter sports." You can even go to the thrift stores in Truckee or S. Lake Tahoe (Yellow Pages).

"I wouldn't switch it up much, 'cause you'll just be starting from the beginning all over again, and it takes a couple days to even begin to get a handle on things. Choose whichever one you're more naturally familiar with. Do you skateboard or wake board? Then try snowboarding. If you rollerblade then try skiing. If none of the above, try skiing. I think skiing is easier for beginners learn, but generally harder to master...or at least that's what my friends who do both always tell me (I've only skiied)." Ditto. Right now, start a physical conditioning program that includes balancing like rollerblades, skateboard, etc. Hop on one foot a few times, then switch to the other foot. Hop sideways over an imaginary line on the floor. Repeat till you're beat. Walk backwards up and down steep hills.

"...and if you're driving up to tahoe, consider renting the gear in your own town if you have a nice sporting goods place. Usually way much cheaper to rent there for a few days rather than day-by-day, or even multi day in the ski areas." WRONG. You don't know what correct-fitting boots are supposed to feel like, and you don't know how to adjust the bindings, and one size doesn't fit all, does it? And besides, a beginner package at the ski area may even be cheaper than renting crap in the city, buying a ski/board rack for your car, and then buying lift passes and lesson tickets at the hill. Read on.

"Pay for lessons, they're worth it." Cheapest + easiest + best way = go to the ski area indoor ticket sales and buy a beginner lift/lesson/equipment rental package. They will guide you thru the whole process, set you up with a lesson ticket, a lift pass and guaranteed right equipment. For example, if the boots don't fit correctly after an hour on the hill, or the skis are the wrong length, you can go back in and change for smaller or bigger. Try that with equipment you rented in the city. Hell, cry loud enuff that you hate boarding and they'll refit you with ski gear for the afternoon. After all, they're trying to hook you into becoming a repeat customer. Call the resort (ski area) beforehand and ask if you can do all this on the afternoon before your debut so you won't have to fight the morning crowds.

What, you say, you were going to drive up from the flatlands early in the morning, then somehow beat all the crowds to a parking space, a lift ticket, an equipment rental and still make it to a morning lesson? All this at close to 8,000 feet of altitude where the air is thin and your poor brain is oxygen-starved/befuddled? You ARE Superman/WonderWoman, aren't you. Get up to altitude the day before, relax, drink plenty of water (you'll get dehydrated anyway due to the altitude) and start to become acclimated so you won't be such an altitude airhead the next day. Lighten up on all the booze/drugs etc. 'cause you're at altitude. When you're lying in bed trying to go to sleep your heartbeat will be more pronounced (flatland vs. altitude) and will keep you awake. I like melatonin but roll your own (ExcedrinPM, etc.)

The next morning, your big debut, start by drinking twice as much water as you normally do because during the night the altitude and bone-dry air sucked you dry. A quart is good. It's cold in the morning, but don't get fooled. By noon it will be 30-40 degrees hotter so you will have to shed several layers. 10 degrees at 7:00am = 40 degrees at noon - too hot for all those winter clothes. make sure you can strip down to at most two layers, such as long johns under pants and a turtleneck under a shell. Don't wear slick, shiny outerwear - you can slide a long way on the snow if you do. Watch out tree! Don't eat that greasy bacon/egg/cheese fried breakfast - it won't digest well at altitude. Get some fruit and carbs.

Smile back at the ski area workers - if they aren't smiling, you picked the wrong resort. Yes, it will seem a lot like work to get all this accomplished and actually get up on the snow , but just keep in mind you're on the wrong side of the learning curve from the fun side. There's a reason why people become lifelong skiers/boarders and put up with all the hassles, and if you have some balancing ability and like the Great Outdoors, you just might get hooked too.
 

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The one thing I have to ask if you snowboard is, for the love of God, don't scrape the snow off the trails. Sure you can scrape your way down facing down the trail, but it's a dick move and you're not learning anyways. Have fun, though, I ski and snowboard and both are great.
 

Itchrelief

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Make sure your hip flask doesn't leak. If you were going to ski you could have made a contraption to store your schnapps in your ski poles. Higher proof = more freezing resistance!

All in jest, you probably don't want to be drunk while trying to dodge a tree. Or a little 6-year-old tyke in her pink snow pants and ski school bib.