first time e6750 & P35-DS3L any suggestions.........

[diyaudiosupply]

Hello Everyone,

What a great resource!!!

Although I have owned a computer, of one sort or another, since the mid 80's I am going to build my first computer from scratch and would like to order the parts soon. I am very intrigued by the OC'ing thing and thought I would start with the following combo:

GA-P35-DS3L
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16813128059
e6750
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16819115029
Cooler Master Cosmos RC-1000
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16811119138
Antec True Power Trio TP3-550w
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16817371002
Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 Model #BL2KIT12864AA804
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16820146565

This seems to be a fairly popular combo around this and other boards and I was hoping to get some feedback before I spent the cash. Considering I have never OC'd before I will be keeping it fairly tame at around 3.6 to 4.0 Ghz. I am totally open to suggestions on any of the necessities and in particular a CPU cooler and the memory. Should I change anything or am I going down the right path?

Budget is in the 1000 - 1200 range and I am more concerned with getting good quality parts that have a proven track record than I am about saving money. I will not be playing very many games on this but my son is 10 now and I am sure he would love to play them. Most of my work revolves around Photoshop, Dreamweaver, website maintenance, openMFG, and Linux.

 

[hclarkjr]

here are a few links for you to look at -
link 1
link 2
link 3
read through those and i think you should be able to get some good info from them

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
Considering I have never OC'd before I will be keeping it fairly tame at around 3.6 to 4.0 Ghz.

Holy crap, if a 6750 at 4 ghz on a budget motherboard with 4 phase power regulation is your idea of tame, I'd love to see what your target is for a wild overclock on an E8400 with a high end MB.

My suggestions:

1. Swap the E6750 for an E8400. If you can't find an E8400, Xeon 3110.
2. Think Tuniq Tower for your CPU cooler. You aren't going to get a 4 ghz OC on a stock heatsink. At least not for long.

p.s. I love my DS3Ls, both of them. But I have no illusions re: hitting 4 ghz with a 6 series CPU on them.

 

[diyaudiosupply]

ok.........so call me a newbie : )

I have been reading everywhere that 3.6 Ghz on air is an easy thing. Is this bad info?

Cheers

 

[Mondoman]

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
... I will be keeping it fairly tame at around 3.6 to 4.0 Ghz.

A 35-50% OC doesn't sound very tame to me, especially for a work machine!

Why do you want to OC, since you say

... I am more concerned with getting good quality parts that have a proven track record than I am about saving money.

Sounds like a Q6600 (at most OC'd to a 1333MHz FSB) would be more up your alley. The stock Intel cooler will be fine for that and will eliminate potential secondary cooling issues that may arise through the use of an aftermarket cooler, as most don't blow air down onto the MB and out in all directions as the Intel and other "downdraft" coolers do.

 

[DSF]

Do you really need to spend 15-20% of your budget on your case? That's not getting good value for your money to me. Any reason you need such a monstrous case?

As far as the processor, I agree with what's been said. If you want to go to 3.6GHz easily, you're looking at an E8400, not an E6750.

 

[twistedlogic]

Originally posted by: DSF
Do you really need to spend 15-20% of your budget on your case?

LoL, thats what I was getting ready to ask him.

Your parts:

GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L - $90
http://www.newegg.com/product/...x?item=N82E16813128059

Crucial Ballistix 2GB - $65
http://www.newegg.com/product/...x?item=N82E16820146565

Antec True Power Trio - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/product/...x?item=N82E16817371002

My suggestions:

COOLER MASTER RC-690 - $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811119137

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 - $239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115037
or
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 - $245.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115018

Western Digital Caviar 500GB - $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136073

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - $36.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835233003

Arctic Silver 5 - $5.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16835100007

All these parts together come to ~$700. That leaves you with $300-400 for Video card, OS, Display, Optical drive, Speakers, Keyboard and mouse.

Good luck with your build.

 

[Caminetto]

Nice build. I have been thinking of something along those lines also.

Pay no attention to the e8400/3110 recommendations unless you want to pay another $100 (now) for the processor that is extremely hard to find and are willing to wait until who knows when for them to start showing up again.

 

[diyaudiosupply]

Twisted,

Thanks for the suggested RC-690. I did not know about it, and now that you mentioned it, I will be going with that instead.

I was thinking I will be getting the turiq 120 tower as well. Any thoughts?

I think this should suit my purposes? I really need to replace my existing system and I want to get my feet wet with the OC'ing thing as well. I just do not want to spend good money on unnecessary things just for hype. It has been a life long thing with me............... form follows function, Not the other way around!

Cheers

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
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Antec True Power Trio TP3-550w
http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16817371002

I don't have any experience overclocking a C2D, so I won't comment on that. I will comment on your choice for a Power Supply, however. I have had an Antec TruPower PSU literally blow up on me (big puff of black smoke) and destroy most of my components. Beyond that, they have a weak 12V line, so that HDD's would occasionally not show up in BIOS because the PSU couldn't supply enough power to run them all (3 HDD's and 2 Optical Drives) at startup. I purchased an Antec NeoPower PSU after that, and it had the same problem with the drives. I now have a PC P&C 470 Silencer, and even though it is rated at a lower wattage (470W vs. 480 for my Antec) I never have any problems with my drives, and I don't have random errors with my videocard either. I would suggest that PC P&C PSU over the Antec PSU you are planning on using for the same price.

 

[v8envy]

My other suggestion is don't use Arctic Silver. It's more popular than good. Read thermal grease reviews and form your own opinions, but just about anything out there is better than AS5. You could lop 2 degrees off your load temperatures with stuff like Tuniq's TX-2 vs AS5, and that's not even the best grease out there.

If you live near a Microcenter a Q6600 quad is $199 + tax. One of the best performance/buck deals possible. That should hit 3 ghz with a stock cooler, grease and voltage on your DS3L. Think 3.2 or higher with upgraded cooling. Yes, 3.6+ is possible but is hardly 'mild'. Considering the parts you're willing to throw into the build you should be able to hit that, so long as you view it as more of an 'extreme' OC.

For a target OC of 3.6+ I'd recommend an Asus P5K board, a PC Power & Cooling PSU, lots of case fans with fabricated brackets to cool mosfets&chipset, Antec P190 pr P182 case.

 

[twistedlogic]

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
Twisted,

Thanks for the suggested RC-690. I did not know about it, and now that you mentioned it, I will be going with that instead.

Yeah, thats the case I'm going to migrate to(waitin on taxes). It has some awesome airflow and can fit up to 7 fans, 5 of which can fit a 140mm fan. And it uses the Antec/Lian-Li type setup with the PSU at the bottom of the case. Here is a thread with some lovely pics of the RC-690 with some cable management done.

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
I was thinking I will be getting the turiq 120 tower as well. Any thoughts?

The one thing that scares me is its weight, 798g without the fan. And upon reading a few reviews @ newegg, someone had some trouble installing it in a CM-690. And I seen another post on this forum that says there a PITA to install. Other than install and clearance issues, its a great cooler.

 

[Mondoman]

Originally posted by: v8envy
... Read thermal grease reviews and form your own opinions, but just about anything out there is better than AS5.

I'm not aware of any properly-done reviews out there (i.e. same TIM layer thickness for each compound tested), so I would appreciate a reference if you know of one.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: Mondoman

Originally posted by: v8envy
... Read thermal grease reviews and form your own opinions, but just about anything out there is better than AS5.

I'm not aware of any properly-done reviews out there (i.e. same TIM layer thickness for each compound tested), so I would appreciate a reference if you know of one.

MadShrimp's Spreading it Thin TIM Roundup 2007

This is a pretty good review.

 

[diyaudiosupply]

Great info, thanks!

OK..............This project seems to be coming along. All of you that have provided input have been invaluable to the process.

Does anyone have personal experience with the Tuniq Tower and the RC-690 and is the RC-690 the same as the CM-690? After checking the site it seems that it is but I just want to make sure.

Cheers

 

[Mondoman]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: Mondoman

Originally posted by: v8envy
... Read thermal grease reviews and form your own opinions, but just about anything out there is better than AS5.

I'm not aware of any properly-done reviews out there (i.e. same TIM layer thickness for each compound tested), so I would appreciate a reference if you know of one.

MadShrimp's Spreading it Thin TIM Roundup 2007

This is a pretty good review.

Unless I missed something, it's no better than the others I've seen, as the author doesn't measure the weight/thickness of compound applied, and doesn't use consistent hsf tightening force from install to install.

Oh, well, if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself. Anyone interested in loaning me a Mettler balance?

 

[diyaudiosupply]

I just picked up the Corsair VX550 on buy.com for 60.00 after the MIR. It has 5 year warranty so hopefully it will serve me well.


I love this forum. Great folks............... all willing to help a newbie!!

Cheers

 

[diyaudiosupply]

OK,

After going thru the info for a second time that hclarkjr suggested, I am concerned with the choice of the P35-DS3L.

Any better recommendations to avoid problems. I don't mind getting a more expensive board that will carry me further into the future than the DS3L. Just need some guidance.

Cheers

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: diyaudiosupply
Great info, thanks!

OK..............This project seems to be coming along. All of you that have provided input have been invaluable to the process.

Does anyone have personal experience with the Tuniq Tower and the RC-690 and is the RC-690 the same as the CM-690? After checking the site it seems that it is but I just want to make sure.

Cheers

No idea if it helps you but I have experience with the RC-534 and Tuniq tower...for that combo it fits just fine but you do have to remove the RC-534's side-panel duct over the HSF area (simple 4 screws and you are done).

 

[diyaudiosupply]

Pulled the trigger on the following from Newegg:

Abit IP35-E
Q6600
RC-690 Case
Corsair VX550 Power Supply
Mushkin 4x1gb 996527 ( Hope it works!!! )
WD HD
Sony DVD Burner
Sony Floppy
Tuniq Tower 120
NX8600GTS 256mb


Now I just need to sit and suffer out the wait. Hopefully everything gets here by Friday and I can spend the weekend putting it together and verifying operation of all the components before I start to play with the OC'ing thing. Man I can't wait!!!!

Thanks again for all of your input and suggestions. It was truely invaluable to me. I am sure I will end up back here soon for a little help.

Cheers,

David