First, The Deniers. Now, The Liars.

[MtnMan]

I've done CPR on someone once, it's incredibly tiring and you're supposed do it hard enough that ribs might break. The idea that someone could do it constantly for days is a joke.

I've done CPR multiple times, as a firefighter/first responder. Ribs break, and if you initiate CPR, you often feel them break. It is hard work, and 10 - 15 minutes tiring. By 20 you are begging for relief.

Depressing the sternum 1.5 to 2 inches is going to break ribs, especially in older patients where bones are brittle. On the plus side, 2 of those people lived, but I don't think they minded the sore ribs.

 

[Amol S.]

Forgive me but I felt somewhat of a nincompoop today.
All this time all of my Trumpster relatives have been enormous vaccine deniers, anti-vaxxers, and a few down right QAnon conspirators. I begged them to get the vaccine, I taunted them to get the vaccine, I tried to reason with them to get the shot but to no avail. Then today my sister let it slip, that almost all of them have in fact been vaccinated. All but my one full blown QAnon niece. And now I wonder WHAT'S UP WITH THIS?

Well, it seems while they are concerned enough about covid to get the vaccine, they wanted no one to know about it. Seriously? Why? WTF?
I could see them wanting to hide the fact from my QAnon niece because she would accuse everyone of turning traitor to the cause. The cause of anti government, anti Biden, anti Pelosi, and having becoming anti Trump. But actually it does make sense that they would vaccinate. My Trumpie nephew has kids and is a very cautious guy, and I could never understand why he would put his family at risk with refusing to vaccinate?
Well, turns out he was as sensible and cautious as I expected him to be. His wife travels for her employment giving lectures all over the country and I was really shocked that she would be an anti vaxxer. Turns out she was not against the vaccine after all and she took the shot long long ago with denying she did. And that is how I found out of their lie, of their denial, when she flew out to Atlanta early this morning and once again I expressed my concern to my sister that her daughter-in-law was not vaccinated. Then my sister says OH, SHE'S VACCINATED. And I don't think that my sis realized what she had just said or had admitted to, and so she finally came clean. "Don't tell Sandi" (my AQnon niece), she begged of me. Don't let it out.

And so, this all fits in with the fake denial we see from so many republicans, from so many Trump republicans, from so many border line QAnon conspiracist. They say they are not vaccinated, they toss out their excuses for not being vaccinated, and yet they have in deed been vaccinated. Well, a lot more of them than we were lead to believe And look at Fox News where Fox constantly downplays the vaccine with linking the vaccine to some government control of the people. Yet we now know that everyone at Fox News is and has been vaccinated. Rupert Murdoch demanded that all Fox employees be vaccinated. Rupert Murdoch himself was one of the very first to take the vaccine.

Republican governors have been vaccinated, republican senators have been vaccinated, yet all of them including Fox News downplays the vaccine as an assault on freedom. I was kinda hoping if they were deniers and so pig headed about the vaccine, that they would succumb to the virus or at least catch it and realize that covid is real. But now we know they never intended to take that chance. Oh, they have no problem with pretending to hate the vaccine and pushing the line that the vaccine is threatening our freedoms, they pretend to hate it yet all along they have been scrambling to be first in line for it. For getting that shot.
How F...ked up is THAT?
Yes, these people are truly insane. And we have Donald Trump to blame for their insanity.
Donald got the covid, then Donald got the shot, and Sean Hannity got the shot, but they don't want their base to know.
Hush..... mums the word. Lie lie and deny.

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I have an idea on how you or her parents can convince your niece to get vaccinated. Believe me, it will work. The point is not to convince her the vaccine is good and not bad, but to convince her that QAnon is bad.

First ask her or tell her parents to ask her why she believes in Qanon. Then try to use realistic proof and even a display, not logic to prove her wrong. For example, if she believes in the Pentagon conspiracy theory, just do the following. Take her or ask her parents to take a trip to September 11 memorial in NYC, VIA NEWARK (otherwise the airports in NYC may send her back, don't know if they started checking for vax status again), and to use AirBNB (hotels in NY require vaccination). The last time I came back from a trip from the state of Georgia, they did not check for vax status of arriving passengers at LaGuardia, but that was in May of this year. The North Tower memorial is open to the public without requiring tickets (the last time I went there was way before and many months and maybe a year before Covid began in China), probs you know why the ticket checker may be a problem with your niece. Not sure if they will allow her into the museum there unvaxed, they have the battered and bent engine of one of the planes on display there.

The point is, when she sees the size of the footprint and imagine the size of the building, only then she will realize that it could have only been planes involved.

If she believes that it is easy and not hard to obtain a state ID, tell her parents to take her to the biggest DMV office in the most populous city in their state, when she applies or renews her license, so she can see and experience for herself the line and madhouse the DMV actually is.

If she believes COVID to be just the flu, ask one of your relatives who works at a hospital to see if your niece can take a sneak peak into the ICU room to actually see the pain the patients are really going thru.

By telling her or showing her photos or videos will not help, as she believes those are morphed. However, if she sees from her own eyes, she will then know the truth.

 

[Homerboy]

I was being too kind. I, too, have truly lost sympathy for those who won't be vaccinated. My worry is for those who can't be vaccinated.

A somewhat removed relative (brother's sister in law whom I've met a handful of time) is currently intubated and knocked out for minimum of 2 weeks. I mean I feel bad, but I have no sympathy or empathy for a anti-vax family