First, The Deniers. Now, The Liars.

[sportage]

Forgive me but I felt somewhat of a nincompoop today.
All this time all of my Trumpster relatives have been enormous vaccine deniers, anti-vaxxers, and a few down right QAnon conspirators. I begged them to get the vaccine, I taunted them to get the vaccine, I tried to reason with them to get the shot but to no avail. Then today my sister let it slip, that almost all of them have in fact been vaccinated. All but my one full blown QAnon niece. And now I wonder WHAT'S UP WITH THIS?

Well, it seems while they are concerned enough about covid to get the vaccine, they wanted no one to know about it. Seriously? Why? WTF?
I could see them wanting to hide the fact from my QAnon niece because she would accuse everyone of turning traitor to the cause. The cause of anti government, anti Biden, anti Pelosi, and having becoming anti Trump. But actually it does make sense that they would vaccinate. My Trumpie nephew has kids and is a very cautious guy, and I could never understand why he would put his family at risk with refusing to vaccinate?
Well, turns out he was as sensible and cautious as I expected him to be. His wife travels for her employment giving lectures all over the country and I was really shocked that she would be an anti vaxxer. Turns out she was not against the vaccine after all and she took the shot long long ago with denying she did. And that is how I found out of their lie, of their denial, when she flew out to Atlanta early this morning and once again I expressed my concern to my sister that her daughter-in-law was not vaccinated. Then my sister says OH, SHE'S VACCINATED. And I don't think that my sis realized what she had just said or had admitted to, and so she finally came clean. "Don't tell Sandi" (my AQnon niece), she begged of me. Don't let it out.

And so, this all fits in with the fake denial we see from so many republicans, from so many Trump republicans, from so many border line QAnon conspiracist. They say they are not vaccinated, they toss out their excuses for not being vaccinated, and yet they have in deed been vaccinated. Well, a lot more of them than we were lead to believe And look at Fox News where Fox constantly downplays the vaccine with linking the vaccine to some government control of the people. Yet we now know that everyone at Fox News is and has been vaccinated. Rupert Murdoch demanded that all Fox employees be vaccinated. Rupert Murdoch himself was one of the very first to take the vaccine.

Republican governors have been vaccinated, republican senators have been vaccinated, yet all of them including Fox News downplays the vaccine as an assault on freedom. I was kinda hoping if they were deniers and so pig headed about the vaccine, that they would succumb to the virus or at least catch it and realize that covid is real. But now we know they never intended to take that chance. Oh, they have no problem with pretending to hate the vaccine and pushing the line that the vaccine is threatening our freedoms, they pretend to hate it yet all along they have been scrambling to be first in line for it. For getting that shot.
How F...ked up is THAT?
Yes, these people are truly insane. And we have Donald Trump to blame for their insanity.
Donald got the covid, then Donald got the shot, and Sean Hannity got the shot, but they don't want their base to know.
Hush..... mums the word. Lie lie and deny.

 

[MtnMan]

I've seen several articles where people are even resorting to wearing disguises to get their shot so their anti-vaxxer friends and family won't know.

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is what happens when your party is basically anti-reality.

Some doctors have tried to accommodate patients who want to keep their vaccination hidden or otherwise as private as possible

Some people in Missouri are getting vaccinated in secret to avoid backlash from loved ones, doctor says | CNN

The Covid-19 vaccine has become so polarizing that some people in Missouri are getting inoculated in secret for fear of backlash from their friends and family who oppose vaccination, a doctor told CNN on Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

 

[rmacd02]

Reducing vaccination and masking to politics is infuriating to me. Even though I am vaccinated, I wear a mask to protect those who are not vaccinated. I am losing sympathy for those who can, but will not take the vaccine. I am a bit drunk, so I will leave it at that.

 

[alien42]

Reducing vaccination and masking to politics is infuriating to me. Even though I am vaccinated, I wear a mask to protect those who are not vaccinated. I am losing sympathy for those who can, but will not take the vaccine. I am a bit drunk, so I will leave it at that.

i'm long past sympathy, karma's a bitch and darwinism is real.

 

[rmacd02]

I was being too kind. I, too, have truly lost sympathy for those who won't be vaccinated. My worry is for those who can't be vaccinated.

 

[trenchfoot]

Of those that let on to me that they were anti-vaxxers, I asked them why they refused to get vaxx'ed. Every one said that they just didn't want to without getting into specifics, as if they had something to hide about it. One of them said they'd be more than willing to get tested once a week rather than take the shot(s) until I told him he might have to be paying for the privilege once every week until the policy changes. (Methinks as way to nudge some of the recalcitrant folks into getting the shots.)

In fact I just read on our employee bulletin board that our company was in the process of mandating vaccinations for all workers due to the ongoing burgeoning outbreak of the D strain here in the islands. One of the other reasons given was that we are closely tied to the defense industry, of which our military are dependent on the services we provide for them.

Should be pretty interesting to see how that effort is going to play itself out.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Mississippi has only 6 open ICU beds, Arkansas only 25 as delta variant fuels Covid surge

In these Red States where Freedum reigns. People have the God given right to wait for an ICU bed and try to avoid dying in agony.

 

[nakedfrog]

Mississippi has only 6 open ICU beds, Arkansas only 25 as delta variant fuels Covid surge

In these Red States where Freedum reigns. People have the God given right to wait for an ICU bed and try to avoid dying in agony.

So, is it time to putting the willingly unvaccinated lower in triage, so their obstinance doesn't take people who are there for non-Covid issues to the grave?

 

[MtnMan]

i'm long past sympathy, karma's a bitch and darwinism is real.

Likewise. My patience has run out on these fucking idiots. Get the fucking shot, or drop out of society.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So, is it time to putting the willingly unvaccinated lower in triage, so their obstinance doesn't take people who are there for non-Covid issues to the grave?

An interesting question on the theoretical side. I think it’s best to allow the medical people decide who gets what treatment.

 

[MtnMan]

So, is it time to putting the willingly unvaccinated lower in triage, so their obstinance doesn't take people who are there for non-Covid issues to the grave?

That's the purpose of triage, to sort victims out based on severity AND the likelihood of a positive outcome. At the stage in COVID where hospitalization is the option, the vaccinated have a much better chance of a positive outcome, thus should receive treatment first.

 

[nakedfrog]

That's the purpose of triage, to sort victims out based on severity AND the likelihood of a positive outcome. At the stage in COVID where hospitalization is the option, the vaccinated have a much better chance of a positive outcome, thus should receive treatment first.

As mentioned, I'm talking specifically about people there for non-Covid issues, where in other aspects, the willingly unvaccinated patient and the non-Covid patient are generally equal apart from that factor.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I do suspect various propaganda has taken over the anti vax people knowingly or unknowingly.
Few days ago a new trend among the idiots was no ventilators request manual chest compressions instead.
Not even the bag thing a machine or person can squeeze. Talk about making your care as labor intensive as possible. Expect someone to stand over you for potentially days compressing your chest to keep you breathing. Huge drain on the hospitals, huge drain on staff, huge request that could cause friction with family & staff.
If I were going to design a process that makes sense but is hyper inefficient this is exactly what I would advise people to ask for.

 

[MtnMan]

An interesting question on the theoretical side. I think it’s best to allow the medical people decide who gets what treatment.

Yes, based on the likelihood of a positive outcome. The numbers prove that the vaccinated that become sick enough to be hospitalized are very likely to survive. I saw something that about 25% of COVID patients admitted to the ICU, die in the ICU.

Triage has been around for a long time. In any mass casualty event, the purpose is to sort them out into basically 3 categories. Those that can wait, those that need immediate treatment, and those that have little likelihood of survival. The middle group is priority.

 

[nakedfrog]

I do suspect various propaganda has taken over the anti vax people knowingly or unknowingly.
Few days ago a new trend among the idiots was no ventilators request manual chest compressions instead.
Not even the bag thing a machine or person can squeeze. Talk about making your care as labor intensive as possible. Expect someone to stand over you for potentially days compressing your chest to keep you breathing. Huge drain on the hospitals, huge drain on staff, huge request that could cause friction with family & staff.
If I were going to design a process that makes sense but is hyper inefficient this is exactly what I would advise people to ask for.

I can't imagine a hospital would be required to comply with that request. Maybe suggest them a home care service that they could hire to come do it for them?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I can't imagine a hospital would be required to comply with that request. Maybe suggest them a home care service that they could hire to come do it for them?

But that’s the point comply and it is a fail. Don’t comply and it is a fail if/when the person dies. Don’t comply and the person survives they’ll blame the bad experience on the hospital doing the wrong thing.

 

[nakedfrog]

But that’s the point comply and it is a fail. Don’t comply and it is a fail if/when the person dies.

No, it isn't. If they determine a ventilator is the best care method, and the patient dies anyway, it doesn't suddenly become a fail because they didn't comply with a ridiculous request.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No, it isn't. If they determine a ventilator is the best care method, and the patient dies anyway, it doesn't suddenly become a fail because they didn't comply with a ridiculous request.

aaand the family is going to be happy with that?
It is designed to cause chaos.

 

[Meghan54]

I do suspect various propaganda has taken over the anti vax people knowingly or unknowingly.
Few days ago a new trend among the idiots was no ventilators request manual chest compressions instead.
Not even the bag thing a machine or person can squeeze. Talk about making your care as labor intensive as possible. Expect someone to stand over you for potentially days compressing your chest to keep you breathing. Huge drain on the hospitals, huge drain on staff, huge request that could cause friction with family & staff.
If I were going to design a process that makes sense but is hyper inefficient this is exactly what I would advise people to ask for.

Pssst…you don’t do chest compressions for respiration. Chest compressions are used in cases of cardiac standstill…no pulse/heartbeat.

Artificial respiration can be done with an ambu bag or mouth-to-mouth. Can be done without chest compressions, dependent upon cardiac status

 

[nakedfrog]

aaand the family is going to be happy with that?
It is designed to cause chaos.

Doesn't matter if the family is happy, matters that that patient isn't deliberately monopolizing the time of someone who could be helping save other lives, solely because they're childish and difficult. They can sue if they want, and they can lose. In my extensive experience with hospitals, the patient doesn't really seem to get to dictate the care they're provided, especially to THAT level.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Doesn't matter if the family is happy, matters that that patient isn't deliberately monopolizing the time of someone who could be helping save other lives, solely because they're childish and difficult. They can sue if they want, and they can lose. In my extensive experience with hospitals, the patient doesn't really seem to get to dictate the care they're provided, especially to THAT level.

That is not the point. The point would be someone saying I told you to do X and you didn't. I am not going to bitch about it until the end of time and the medical personnel have to deal with that. There is no other point but chaos.

 

[nakedfrog]

That is not the point. The point would be someone saying I told you to do X and you didn't. I am not going to bitch about it until the end of time and the medical personnel have to deal with that. There is no other point but chaos.

People already do that, outside of the pandemic, so I'd hazard a guess medical staff are used to dealing with that. If they want to sow chaos in the hospital instead of getting proper treatment (when they COULD have gotten vaccinated), they can get shoved out to die on the fucking street for all I care.

 

[VashHT]

Pssst…you don’t do chest compressions for respiration. Chest compressions are used in cases of cardiac standstill…no pulse/heartbeat.

Artificial respiration can be done with an ambu bag or mouth-to-mouth. Can be done without chest compressions, dependent upon cardiac status

I've done CPR on someone once, it's incredibly tiring and you're supposed do it hard enough that ribs might break. The idea that someone could do it constantly for days is a joke.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Pssst…you don’t do chest compressions for respiration. Chest compressions are used in cases of cardiac standstill…no pulse/heartbeat.

Artificial respiration can be done with an ambu bag or mouth-to-mouth. Can be done without chest compressions, dependent upon cardiac status

Exactly as I said the statement is so foolishly wrong and entitled it could easily be something to cause chaos. Anti vax folks are not critical thinkers.